A new Strategy towards North West

[Zhukov]

What If Pakistan Join Hands with Kabul, Tehran and Baghdad To Root Out the AlQaeda-Taliban Nexus out of this Region That is Threatening All of these Countries.

I mean just Imagine the Strategic Goals that we can achieve

1-A Strong Hold Nexus on Our Back in the Middle East with Strong Military Ties with regional players.

2-Check to Indian Influence in Afghanistan.

3-Joint Offensive against Baloch Insurgents in collaboration with Iran as they face the same Problem in Sistaan province

4-Strike a Final Deal with Afghanistan on Deorind Line in return of supporting Kabul Government against extremists and Allowing them Access to Pakistani Ports

5-Permanent Removal of Terrorist Networks from the Whole Region

We can offer much more to Kabul then India.
Iran share Baloch Problem in Sistan as we face in Baluchistan.
All Four Countries are Threatened by This Common Enemy.

Also These 4 Countries are now the only Islamic countries having Democratic governments in the region.

Also a diplomatically and strategically strong Pakistan will bring much needed balance of power in Strategic aspect of Indo-Pak Equation that is good for overall stability of the region

Am i The only one thinking this?
I believe this is a Golden Chance for countless Strategic Gains for Pakistan

 

[OrionHunter]

What If Pakistan Join Hands with Kabul, Tehran and Baghdad To Root Out the AlQaeda-Taliban Nexus out of this Region That is Threatening All of these Countries.

An impossible idea. Most impractical. Do you intend sending the PA to Iraq to fight the Al Qaeda there? And you didn't mention Saudi Arabia? Why not? Why Iraq?

I mean just Imagine the Strategic Goals that we can achieve

Nil. Rooting out an insurgency is easier said than done. You may be a nuclear armed country but a band of bearded yahoos can keep spinning you on their finger tips till the cows come home.

2-Check to Indian Influence in Afghanistan.

Of course! How can a discussion on PDF not include India?

We can offer much more to Kabul then India.

Really? Like how many dollars can you provide them for reconstruction? More than India? If yes, then why haven't you spent a single dollar in Afghanistan on infrastructure etc? You've spent all the money you had on the Afghan Taliban instead!!

Also a diplomatically and strategically strong Pakistan will bring much needed balance of power in Strategic aspect of Indo-Pak Equation that is good for overall stability of the region

And how would Pakistan become strong? Balance of power? Friend, you're living in a world of make-believe.

Am i The only one thinking this?

Yes! Thank God!

I believe this is a Golden Chance for countless Strategic Gains for Pakistan

Hmmmmm.....Deny ignorance!

 

[faisal6309]

What If Pakistan Join Hands with Kabul, Tehran and Baghdad To Root Out the AlQaeda-Taliban Nexus out of this Region That is Threatening All of these Countries.

I mean just Imagine the Strategic Goals that we can achieve

1-A Strong Hold Nexus on Our Back in the Middle East with Strong Military Ties with regional players.

2-Check to Indian Influence in Afghanistan.

3-Joint Offensive against Baloch Insurgents in collaboration with Iran as they face the same Problem in Sistaan province

4-Strike a Final Deal with Afghanistan on Deorind Line in return of supporting Kabul Government against extremists and Allowing them Access to Pakistani Ports

5-Permanent Removal of Terrorist Networks from the Whole Region

We can offer much more to Kabul then India.
Iran share Baloch Problem in Sistan as we face in Baluchistan.
All Four Countries are Threatened by This Common Enemy.

Also These 4 Countries are now the only Islamic countries having Democratic governments in the region.

Also a diplomatically and strategically strong Pakistan will bring much needed balance of power in Strategic aspect of Indo-Pak Equation that is good for overall stability of the region

Am i The only one thinking this?
I believe this is a Golden Chance for countless Strategic Gains for Pakistan

• Current government of Afghanistan like India more than us.
• We have problems with Iran because Iran is a country of Shia Muslims and we call Saudi our friend more than Iran.
• Why Iraq is going to appreciate our help. Have you forgot that in the past we have already attack the Iraq.

What If Pakistan Join Hands with Kabul, Tehran and Baghdad To Root Out the AlQaeda-Taliban Nexus out of this Region That is Threatening All of these Countries.

I mean just Imagine the Strategic Goals that we can achieve

1-A Strong Hold Nexus on Our Back in the Middle East with Strong Military Ties with regional players.

2-Check to Indian Influence in Afghanistan.

3-Joint Offensive against Baloch Insurgents in collaboration with Iran as they face the same Problem in Sistaan province

4-Strike a Final Deal with Afghanistan on Deorind Line in return of supporting Kabul Government against extremists and Allowing them Access to Pakistani Ports

5-Permanent Removal of Terrorist Networks from the Whole Region

We can offer much more to Kabul then India.
Iran share Baloch Problem in Sistan as we face in Baluchistan.
All Four Countries are Threatened by This Common Enemy.

Also These 4 Countries are now the only Islamic countries having Democratic governments in the region.

Also a diplomatically and strategically strong Pakistan will bring much needed balance of power in Strategic aspect of Indo-Pak Equation that is good for overall stability of the region

Am i The only one thinking this?
I believe this is a Golden Chance for countless Strategic Gains for Pakistan

• Current government of Afghanistan like India more than us.
• We have problems with Iran because Iran is a country of Shia Muslims and we call Saudi our friend more than Iran.
• Why Iraq is going to appreciate our help. Have you forgot that in the past we have already attack the Iraq.

 

[Zhukov]

As for Indians. Of course this idea is not for you to think about. Its for our country to change our failed foreign policy to a more productive one.

For Pakistanis. Saudi Arabia is no friend to anyone. In fact no country is a friend or enemy. Its about strategic clashes and shared interests. And Saudis are a regime with a very destructive foreign policy. Don't be naive by repeating this stupid IMPOSSIBILITY syndrome. Our common interest is with Tehran Kabul and Baghdad.
If some one have some original comments then please share. Otherwise don't spoil the post with non-sense.

As i said give Afghanistan trade permits and ports plus subsidized weapons for there army and collaboration against Taliban.

Collaborate with Iran against Baloch insurgents in Balochistan and seestan.

Iraq can come into bigger game. With Iran and Pakistan jointly supporting Iraq against Al-Qaeda.

This will benefit all in the region.

 

[Zhukov]

• Current government of Afghanistan like India more than us.
• We have problems with Iran because Iran is a country of Shia Muslims and we call Saudi our friend more than Iran.
• Why Iraq is going to appreciate our help. Have you forgot that in the past we have already attack the Iraq.

• Current government of Afghanistan like India more than us.
• We have problems with Iran because Iran is a country of Shia Muslims and we call Saudi our friend more than Iran.
• Why Iraq is going to appreciate our help. Have you forgot that in the past we have already attack the Iraq.

1-They like India because we support Terrorists in there country and India support them. Start supporting them against Talibaan and they will like you too.

2-Saudis are no friends to Pakistan. They only care about there influence in the form of these terrorists that have destroyed our country

3-Pakistan have never attacked Iraq. Dont know where u get this from

 

[Zhukov]

An impossible idea. Most impractical. Do you intend sending the PA to Iraq to fight the Al Qaeda there? And you didn't mention Saudi Arabia? Why not? Why Iraq?


Nil. Rooting out an insurgency is easier said than done. You may be a nuclear armed country but a band of bearded yahoos can keep spinning you on their finger tips till the cows come home.

Of course! How can a discussion on PDF not include India?

Really? Like how many dollars can you provide them for reconstruction? More than India? If yes, then why haven't you spent a single dollar in Afghanistan on infrastructure etc? You've spent all the money you had on the Afghan Taliban instead!!

And how would Pakistan become strong? Balance of power? Friend, you're living in a world of make-believe.

Yes! Thank God!

Hmmmmm.....Deny ignorance!

Past Mistakes can be rectified. That's the purpose of this post that we should change our foreign policy in the region and start reconstructing the region by collaborating with all affected countries.
USA and Zia ul Haq romance put us all into this mess. Now its rectification time.
Yes there will be balance of power and once Pakistan is cleared of terrorists and on its way to stability. And yes there will be stability once all the regional players recover from extremism and terrorists.

We can never do it without collaboration with our neibours who are also affected by this plague of terrorism

 

[OrionHunter]

Past Mistakes can be rectified. That's the purpose of this post that we should change our foreign policy in the region and start reconstructing the region by collaborating with all affected countries.

We can never do it without collaboration with our neibours who are also affected by this plague of terrorism

Right! Why don't you start with India first and discard your failed policy of 'bleeding India with a thousand cuts' as a retribution for the 1971 disaster?

That my friend will be easier said than done considering that PA's psyche is embedded with the doctrine of revenge.

 

[Zhukov]

Right! Why don't you start with India first and discard your failed policy of 'bleeding India with a thousand cuts' as a retribution for the 1971 disaster?

That my friend will be easier said than done considering that PA's psyche is embedded with the doctrine of revenge.

My friend you talk like India has cleaned hand in the region.
You cannot defend your government's Blunt intervention in our internal matters in east Pakistan. Even if we leave it aside as past. Look what your government is doing in Baluchistan for last 30 years.
And also in every international forum Indian media and government opposes and maligns Pakistan be it trade commerce sports etc.
Its tit for tat. Same policy from both sides.
And i wish we see better times between us and India. And both countries flourish and be good neibours.
These matters cannot be pushed under the carpet like that. Cleaning one country and bashing other.
Anyways India Pakistan issue is a complex one and is not under debate here.
Point is Pakistan's western front policy. If you have any real reservation on this policy matter then speak out.
Don't just troll out the IMPOSSIBLE syndrome

 

[OrionHunter]

My friend you talk like India has cleaned hand in the region.
You cannot defend your government's Blunt intervention in our internal matters. Look what your government is doing in Baluchistan for last 30 years.

Really? You guys haven't an iota of PROOF that India is helping Balochistan freedom fighters. If you have it, then show us the proof. If not then you need to stop this bullshit!

And also in every international forum Indian media and government opposes and maligns Pakistan be it trade commerce sports etc.

Nonsense! We were the ones who fought for your membership into the Commonwealth. We have given you the most favored nation status (MFN) a decade ago but you Pakistanis have refused to reciprocate!

You are the ones who are infiltrating the terrorist hordes across into Kashmir for which there is ample proof. The whole wide world knows it. But you guys conveniently pass it on as 'non state actors!! really?? But Gen Kayani himself said that these Yahoos are his 'strategic assets' for conducting the proxy wars against India and Afghanistan!!

Who invented the LeT specially for waging a Jehad in Kashmir? No prizes for guessing.
Who assisted the separatists in the late 80s in Kashmir?
Who assisted the so called Khalistanis in Indian Punjab?
Who initiated the 1965 war to try and grab Kashmir by your Op Grand Slam and Op Gibraltar, which needless to say were utter failures?
Who launched an attack on Kargil which was a tactical and strategic disaster for Pakistan notwithstanding what Mush says in his book (which is utter rubbish according to your own, now retired, generals!)

Yes, we did deliver East Pakistan to Bangla Desh in 1971. But India was forced to take action due to the millions of refugees pouring into India due to the atrocities being committed there, and which was becoming unsustainable economically for India as well as changing its demography, which was unacceptable.

 

[Zhukov]

Really? You guys haven't an iota of PROOF that India is helping Balochistan freedom fighters. If you have it, then show us the proof. If not then you need to stop this bullshit!

Nonsense! We were the ones who fought for your membership into the Commonwealth. We have given you the most favored nation status (MFN) a decade ago but you Pakistanis have refused to reciprocate!

You are the ones who are infiltrating the terrorist hordes across into Kashmir for which there is ample proof. The whole wide world knows it. But you guys conveniently pass it on as 'non state actors!! really?? But Gen Kayani himself said that these Yahoos are his 'strategic assets' for conducting the proxy wars against India and Afghanistan!!

Who invented the LeT specially for waging a Jehad in Kashmir? No prizes for guessing.
Who assisted the separatists in the late 80s in Kashmir?
Who assisted the so called Khalistanis in Indian Punjab?
Who initiated the 1965 war to try and grab Kashmir by your Op Grand Slam and Op Gibraltar, which needless to say were utter failures?
Who launched an attack on Kargil which was a tactical and strategic disaster for Pakistan notwithstanding what Mush says in his book (which is utter rubbish according to your own, now retired, generals!)

Yes, we did deliver East Pakistan to Bangla Desh in 1971. But India was forced to take action due to the millions of refugees pouring into India due to the atrocities being committed there, and which was becoming unsustainable economically for India as well as changing its demography, which was unacceptable.

As i said i am not spoiling this post by this indo-pak discussion. Go to relevant forum. Unless you have something relating to the post stop trolling.

 

[faisal6309]

1-They like India because we support Terrorists in there country and India support them. Start supporting them against Talibaan and they will like you too.

2-Saudis are no friends to Pakistan. They only care about there influence in the form of these terrorists that have destroyed our country

3-Pakistan have never attacked Iraq. Dont know where u get this from

1. Yeah, like we are supporting Taliban right.. It is our past and many things have changed in decades. Also they started bombing on our soil not us. We supported Taliban against USSR. Taliban and TTP are two different things. We have never supported terrorists because they are Shite country. Also we supported them in their nuclear project. What they did to get good relations with us?
2. So what you want? forget Saudis. They've cooperated with us many times. Yeah they are said to be supporting terrorists because of Iran. It is their problem. It doesn't mean that we get rude because of their such acts.
3. Our soldiers fight against Iraq to save Kuwait in 80s. Same like we fight Israel for Saudi. Read history.

 

[OrionHunter]

As i said i am not spoiling this post by this indo-pak discussion. Go to relevant forum. Unless you have something relating to the post stop trolling.

Trolling? Just because you have NO answers to my questions, you call it trolling? Grow up!

 

[Zhukov]

Trolling? Just because you have NO answers to my questions, you call it trolling? Grow up!

Move on to relevant thread. Stop spoiling the thread.

 

[Zhukov]

Why do so much confusion exist amoung our peole regarding our history

 

[Zhukov]

1. Yeah, like we are supporting Taliban right.. It is our past and many things have changed in decades. Also they started bombing on our soil not us. We supported Taliban against USSR. Taliban and TTP are two different things. We have never supported terrorists because they are Shite country. Also we supported them in their nuclear project. What they did to get good relations with us?
2. So what you want? forget Saudis. They've cooperated with us many times. Yeah they are said to be supporting terrorists because of Iran. It is their problem. It doesn't mean that we get rude because of their such acts.
3. Our soldiers fight against Iraq to save Kuwait in 80s. Same like we fight Israel for Saudi. Read history.

My dear friend.
1-Pak never provided any nuclear support to saddam led iraq.
2-Saddam was enemy no 1 of Pakistan and was a sunni dictatorof a shia majority country. now they are ridden of saddam and it is shia-sunni combined democracy there and they dont own saddam.
3-There were no talibaan in soviet era. Taliban came into being in 1996. there were different afghan groups including hikmatyaar group rabbani group ahmad shah masood group etc they were supported by both iran and Pakistan. Pak support Pashtuun taliban regime in 1990s that is what i refer to. and to date some elements secretly support afghan talibaan against kabul. and tell you what, It was the pashtuuns who always hated Pakistan and raised this deorind line issue. Before Soviet invasion, Pak supported non pashtuuns who were content with afghanistan upto deorind line.
you support a pashtuun establishment and they will again come for your tribal areas. Uzbeks and northern afghanis have no problem with tribal belt being part of Pakistan
4- Pak soldiers were sent to saudi arabia for its defence not kuwait. our forces never engaged iraqis ever.it was natto forces who drove iraqis out of kuwait.

I think it is you bro who should re visit history section of library.

And this good taliban bad taliban thing, i dnt want to discuss it anymore. Those taliban that sucide bomb Pak forces are bad talibaan and those who sucide bomb afghan national.security forces are good talibaan. This is nothing more then hypocrycy and double standards.Blood of Afghan security forces is as secred as our owns that is shed while securing the safety of afghan cities and government.


Taliban are finished. Iran India and Kabul Governments are fully against them. Both USA and Russia denounce them. Even china never recognised them.

its not 90s when afghanistan was a influence battle field of india and Pak. we should realize our own interests and not saudi dictations.

And saudis they are not friendly to us. they dont purchase our weapons, they dnt support our industry, they dont support us in international market, they dont purchase our commercial products.
we are just a "sastey daam ka guard" for them.
both saudis and iran watch there own interest not ours and we should maintain good relations with both. but kick out there interference in our country
And start behaving for the betterment of region for good of all.