In my humble opinion ... some people are underestimating the J-10C. The AL-31FN Series 3 engine that powers the J-10B and J-10C is a marked improvement in performance (137kN / 30,800lbs w/AB) and stability than the previous models of the AL-31F. Plus its AESA radar (new), Avionics, Integrated Electro-Optical System, IRST etc. are all pretty impressive and available right now ... unlike the JF-17 block-III or even later blocks (if and when they are realized) ... which are still several years to reality. Even when we get these newer Thunders ... I doubt they will equal the J-10C let alone surpass.
Sir,
J-10 a,b,c have been discussed over and over again on PDF. The final conclusion that they all came to was this aircraft is history.
Few very important reasons that make perfect sence to make this aircraft history are:
1) This aircraft is designed on the same principle of JF-17. So it indicates the philosophy either / or between JF-17 and J-10.
2) PAF from day one had invested heavily in JF-17 so going after J-10 would have split the orders making it more difficult for PAF to manage operational costs. Hence development of JF-17 was preferred as it gave PAF a product that it could say is totally their own however Chinese efforts and expertise can not be disregarded.
3) The Engine that powers the J-10's is Russian which is being used on Indian Su- 30MKI and is prohibited for export to Pakistan. Cost of developing an other engine like the Russian did with JF-17 was too expensive.
4) PAF can upgrade the JF-17 to capabilities to J-10's with the only limitation of more Fuel. Hence there is no advantage over on e and other/
Considering the growing Indian influence in US Congress in particular and the West in general and what has subsequently transpired with the 8 new Block-52 deal ... it is now imperative that a contingency (Plan-B) should be in place. The J-10C is a good plan-b. The issue with the flanker-derivatives have never been the cost of acquisition but the cost of operation and maintenance (quite expensive) and also being subject to the approval of the Russians.
Sir,
As far as all the members on PDF concerned that trying to find what went into the construction of J-10 B are already using in the JF-17 hence this (J-10) platform does not fulfil the requirement of PAF.
Pakistan can not buy Flankers because Pakistan did not considered Afghanistan and Iraq as potential enemies
The SU-35 if it ever is in the PAF crosshairs for their next fighter, then they would only pursue it in a China-Russia-Pakistan combo agreement. In that context the Indian influence is not that daunting as China has way more sway over Russia than India ... as it already has a trillion+ USD in energy purchases in deals ranging over a period of 30 years. That is an approximate influx of 40 billion USD in average into Russian economy per annum.
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Your assessment is very wrong. PAF would purchase aircraft that suits its doctrine. USA would provide the latest technology when it thinks Pakistan is the only option.
This is not even counting the military deals have been made between the two.
If we are have a military relation with Russia then it should be stenghtened.
Everything is speculation at the moment and it all depends on the possible permutation and combinations of the variables that are involved in such deals.
If you think so...
Unless Asif Ali Zardari decides to donate to the Pakistani military and buy 65 Rafales (which he probably can afford on his own .. or with a little help from his buddy Malik Riaz, or some generous Urbi donation); the PAF is sticking to 150 JF-17's, 80 F-16s and 45-50 F-7PGs until it gets a 5th Gen jet. I told you folks this on a VERY solid authority back in 2011, and it is still true today.
This can be possible if accountability can be imparted along with rule of law.
The rest is all smoke and mirrors to divert from the development in force multipliers and EW sophistication. The only thing that could change this scenario is India gaining information on all our programs and systems which drives them nuts into getting even more Jets in numbers; that would force us to try and spend billions in offsetting that changed equation.
For EW PAF would have to purchase larger platforms with low RCS.
well dear thing is you know it and i know it and as for that matter all members on PDF know it that pakistan cant buy any fighter outright with hard cash and needs support, subsidies and soft loans to buy these weapons and niether makers of Su35, or typhoon or grippen or rafale give such finance shemes so tell me what option your left with
Do you? I doubt it. You are trying to say that India is going to pay 100% cash on signing of contract. This only shows how much you understand how contracts are signed and executed..
Plus there is a difference between CAN and WILL.
If there is Will then can automatically follows
I am not sure EF is something we would want to go for right now or should go for right now.
The only reason could be possibility of European Engine Procurement that is required for export orders of JF-17.
