A Democracy your kids will inherit.

[Patriots]

 

[Ahmad1996]

I am getting real tired of the PTI fanbois always raising the boogey man of Zardari/NS combine ruling us for eternity. Looks like, after having been humiliated by a vast section of Pakistanis recently, all the fanbois are left with is SCARING us of the Zardari/NS combine.
Let me tell you: Nothing stays the same! I have seen the news-papers had blank spaces because Zia would censure even the name of ZAB and now we have a free press. At one point it was unthinkable that some stalwarts would lose from their 'home seat' and now many big names sweat and lose in elections or have to work really hard to win. Even the election Dhandli is not as blatant as used to be. The current judiciary, if anything is a reflection of all parties (except PPP+MQM+ANP) for which Imran Khan also struggled.

Also, by aligning with the likes of Chaudry Brothers, we know how hypocritical Imran Khan and his supporters sound when Zardari+NS are on the same page about a few major issues and these people complain and scare us! It will NOT work! We know that the Chaudry Brothers are THE BIGGEST opportunists and turn-coats even by Pakistani standards. You guys are not 'Doodh ke Dhuley'.

So quit trying to scare us! Instead, concentrate on trying to save your PKP govt which, if rumors are true, may go to the opposition parties, thanks to Imran's brilliant moves. What a pathetic selection of comrades IK made who can ditch their Inqalabi leader so soon. And if you are able to save KPK then do some good work there. Work on Federal level to minimize chances of rigging next time. And become a real opposition in the Parliament--NS is likely to be loathed very soon if he doesn't deliver. Personally, after having witnessed Imran Khan's vulgar language, his U-turns, his immature policies and his constant threat, I don't want to give this person even ONE CHANCE anymore--but it is for the people to decide.

Just remember according to recent survey public satisfaction was highest in KPK. We aren't supporting IK for nothing. You are right sab 'Doodh ke Dhuley' nahin houtay but there is difference btw someone who came to power and showed that he is pure corrupt and someone who hasn't gotten a chance or denied it during Musharraf era.

 

[zip]

Educated people in Pakistan suffer from a superiority complex. They have a false sense of entitlement for the country. They feel that they should be decision makers.

Well, this educated lot (me included) can go to hell. If majority votes for a corrupt politician then, so be it. You don't own the damn country. The illiterate masses shall decide who governs them.

Ironically, these educated snobs then wish that FA (12th grade) pass generals should rule them.

You put it nicely ...they think they can overrule all uneducated ...when time comes to elect leader its those poor people who values their voting right and these so called educated people have no time for these kind of silly things ...they are torch bearers of country you know ?

 

[Meengla]

Just remember according to recent survey public satisfaction was highest in KPK. We aren't supporting IK for nothing. You are right sab 'Doodh ke Dhuley' nahin houtay but there is difference btw someone who came to power and showed that he is pure corrupt and someone who hasn't gotten a chance or denied it during Musharraf era.

Bhaijan, if you have followed your leader's lunatic speeches, his threats, his U-Turn within last few days alone then you should realize that he is not a mentally balanced person and is actually a Hitler-in-making. I am glad KPK people are happy with the change but don't put that as a foundation that BECAUSE of that IK has the right for mobocracy. Perhaps people in Punjab are also reasonably satisfied with SS performance? Anyway, with a cool-head, examine Imran Khan's tantrums and then decide for yourself. Which leader is out there who can publicly threaten policemen: 'Maar Doonga'? Which leader threatens a national hero like Afridi that 'you will not be a Pashtun'? There is much more vulgarity from this Oxford-educated maniacal person. He IS NOT leadership material and should he ever come to power people in ALL PROVINCES rise against him in no time.

 

[Ahmad1996]

Bhaijan, if you have followed your leader's lunatic speeches, his threats, his U-Turn within last few days alone then you should realize that he is not a mentally balanced person and is actually a Hitler-in-making. I am glad KPK people are happy with the change but don't put that as a foundation that BECAUSE of that IK has the right for mobocracy. Perhaps people in Punjab are also reasonably satisfied with SS performance? Anyway, with a cool-head, examine Imran Khan's tantrums and then decide for yourself. Which leader is out there who can publicly threaten policemen: 'Maar Doonga'? Which leader threatens a national hero like Afridi that 'you will not be a Pashtun'? There is much more vulgarity from this Oxford-educated maniacal person. He IS NOT leadership material and should he ever come to power people in ALL PROVINCES rise against him in no time.

PPP, PML-N, MQM etc they can be leaders? Someone who said "Ghuseeton ga' you have no problem with that but someone who says "You will not be Pushtun" you have problem with that, someone who says "Bori tayar karo he can be a leader" but not this guy? Give him a chance and then we can only know. Btw I am from Punjab and so far the provincial government hasn't done anything for us. Also I am not a pure IK follower just guy who thinks what he is doing is right. This government would have spended the whole five years in looting but wouldn't will have talked about election reforms for once. This is what we need election reforms, also please do not forget that most of the parliament consists of tax evaders and corrupt persons. Their own minister told the press we take kickbacks at the start of every project. Do you still wish to support them and fake democracy then its your wish but think from 10-20 years now and maybe you will realize why these people are protesting and let's not forget protesting is the right of people, this government was even stopping that. Think if they wouldn't have killed PAT members would we reach this point? Had they talked about election reforms and rigging probes, would we have reached this point? This shows their incompetency.

 

[Meengla]

PPP, PML-N, MQM etc they can be leaders? Someone who said "Ghuseeton ga' you have no problem with that but someone who says "You will not be Pushtun" you have problem with that, someone who says "Bori tayar karo he can be a leader" but not this guy? Give him a chance and then we can only know.

Actually, in another thread I had criticized them all, starting from ZAB's 'Tange ToR Doonga' speech in 1971. And you are cleverly side-stepping the more serious language IK used against the policemen: 'Maar Doonga'; that too is covered in that other thread. And, also, you seem to be justifying Imran's language. At any rate, an Oxford educated man using such language often in public meetings in 2014 is most repugnant--especially from a guy who is trying to bring 'historic' changes to Pakistan.

 

[livingdead]

Zardari might be a corrupt politician, but he will be known in history as somebody who strengthened the roots of democracy in pakistan.
if democratic institutions continue unmolested in pakistan for a few decades, your children will thank zardari for it.

 

[Ahmad1996]

Actually, in another thread I had criticized them all, starting from ZAB's 'Tange ToR Doonga' speech in 1971. And you are cleverly side-stepping the more serious language IK used against the policemen: 'Maar Doonga'; that too is covered in that other thread. And, also, you seem to be justifying Imran's language. At any rate, an Oxford educated man using such language often in public meetings in 2014 is most repugnant--especially from a guy who is trying to bring 'historic' changes to Pakistan.

Lol thanks for telling me that I look clever here . Btw you are against IK language but not against what the policeman did to PAT supporters, these double standards are bad man . Also you don't know about Punjab's police tbh I am happy that he warned the police like that and IG Islamabad said that police won't crackdown supporters.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Zardari might be a corrupt politician, but he will be known in history as somebody who strengthened the roots of democracy in pakistan.
if democratic institutions continue unmolested in pakistan for a few decades, your children will thank zardari for it.

Zardari and Nawaz will both be dealt harshly under naya Pakistan. I hated PTI but now I support their call to dislodge this corrupt system. This system needs to be uprooted. The culture of haramkhori is too deep in Pakistan.

 

[Meengla]

Zardari might be a corrupt politician, but he will be known in history as somebody who strengthened the roots of democracy in pakistan.
if democratic institutions continue unmolested in pakistan for a few decades, your children will thank zardari for it.

Correct.
And already there are new reluctant admirers of Zardari every day even from his detractors.

Lol thanks for telling me that I look clever here . Btw you are against IK language but not against what the policeman did to PAT supporters, these double standards are bad man . Also you don't know about Punjab's police tbh I am happy that he warned the police like that and IG Islamabad said that police won't crackdown supporters.

Now you are bringing the murder of the PAT supporters which should be investigated properly. But to link that with the vulgar language of the Oxford-educated clown leader's public diatribes shows that you are dodging the issue. And, yes, it was wrong for IK to publicly threaten to KILL the policemen should they follow their superiors' orders to keep law and order.

Keep making excuses for the Sinking-Ship-Clown.

 

[Ahmad1996]

Correct.
And already there are new reluctant admirers of Zardari every day even from his detractors.


Now you are bringing the murder of the PAT supporters which should be investigated properly. But to link that with the vulgar language of the Oxford-educated clown leader's public diatribes shows that you are dodging the issue. And, yes, it was wrong for IK to publicly threaten to KILL the policemen should they follow their superiors' orders to keep law and order.

Keep making excuses for the Sinking-Ship-Clown.

Well you went for name calling and raising your temper I went for dodging . I guess I won. Anyway what he said was wrong, I do agree with you that but one wrong doesn't makes everything right nor one wrong makes everything wrong. Also I don't know why but our public love language like these, it should be stopped as kids are watching tv too. Maybe after this Azadi march we can campaign for that , are you in?

 

[Meengla]

Well you went for name calling and raising your temper I went for dodging . I guess I won. Anyway what he said was wrong, I do agree with you that but one wrong doesn't makes everything right nor one wrong makes everything wrong. Also I don't know why but our public love language like these, it should be stopped as kids are watching tv too. Maybe after this Azadi march we can campaign for that , are you in?

Good. Sensible post.

I don't think I called YOU any names. However, I have a right to use all kind of adjectives to describe some undeniable vices and traits of Imran Khan. In this forum we resort to such things and so long as we don't use vulgar language we should be allowed to; probably much worse gets used against Altaf Hussein, Zardari and Nawaz Sharif, when compared with Imran Khan.

We had high hopes from someone who has seen the world, who has had the best of education from both Pakistan and UK, and who idolizes Jinnah and ZAB politics. We feel terribly let down by him. And I personally don't consider him worthy of even one more chance.

 

[Ahmad1996]

Good. Sensible post.

I don't think I called YOU any names. However, I have a right to use all kind of adjectives to describe some undeniable vices and traits of Imran Khan. In this forum we resort to such things and so long as we don't use vulgar language we should be allowed to; probably much worse gets used against Altaf Hussein, Zardari and Nawaz Sharif, when compared with Imran Khan.

We had high hopes from someone who has seen the world, who has had the best of education from both Pakistan and UK, and who idolizes Jinnah and ZAB politics. We feel terribly let down by him. And I personally don't consider him worthy of even one more chance.

Actually for me also IK is the last chance and final hope. Otherwise I think I have to step in this political system . I was really hoping they would complete their tenure in KPK and make it a model province but I don't know what will happen now. He has a right to protest too as he was asking for 1.5 years that rigging be checked and reforms made. But these corrupt guys will never do that. Also people have not lost hope yet neither should you, the schemes going on KPK are really good and they are doing some good work on education like bringing in a single educational board, improving government schools and colleges infrastructure etc. Education is what our people need now, not records or laptops. I was also hoping he would make something like this forum where Pakistani especially KPK people can come and give ideas and report their problems. After all this is the age of internet.

 

[Sinnerman108]

'Wama alaina, in'al'balaggh'

Careful now, Zardari only supports Zardari.

What is common in Zardari, Nawaz and every one else in the assemblies ?

Feudal Aristocracy !

They are united to defend their status , and ensure that their blood lines will continue to rule poor people.

Imran's pitch should have been to eradicate feudalism !

 

[Ahmad1996]

Also small mistakes happen we shouldn't make such a fuss about it nor should our media or politicians. Especially about the rain deaths it was tragic but ppl were saying it like floods had come and politicians who were no where seen during model town incident were also reporting it like that. Finally IK deserves a chance but not these corrupt guys.