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A conflict with Iran would not be like the Iraq War. It would be worse

First, we highly doubt that USA will attack Iran. But if happened, then dear Europe, be prepared for 2 million more refugees.
All the countries will shut the door
I don't think EU will accept any refugee migration
 
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If USA don't do it, we should do it, without shadow of a doubt. Stuff Iranian, they had been playing in the Indian's hands for years.

If Iranians are indeed playing in Indian hands, perhaps we need some introspect; to determine the causes......and rectify them. Ever hear the saying, when friendship can do the job, why make enemies.
 
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Seems like conflict with Iran is getting worse for our allies:-

Saudi halts pumping on major oil pipeline after Yemeni drone strike
Tue May 14, 2019 11:20AM [Updated: Wed May 15, 2019 07:03AM ]
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The map shows two of pumping stations on the East-West pipeline route in Saudi Arabia, which were targeted in Yemen’s retaliatory raids on May 14, 2019.


The Saudi energy minister says the kingdom has stopped pumping crude oil on a major pipeline across the country after retaliatory drone strikes carried out by Yemeni army forces and their allies.

Khalid A. Al-Falih said the national petroleum and natural gas company, Saudi Aramco, on Tuesday halted oil pumping on the pipeline from the oil-rich Eastern Province to the Red Sea, while the damage was being evaluated and its two targeted pumping stations were being repaired.

“Saudi Aramco took precautionary measures and temporarily stopped operation of the pipeline, as it is evaluating the situation and working on restoring the operations of the affected pump station and the pipeline,” he said in a statement published by state news agency SPA.

He described the attack “an act of terrorism,” asserting that Saudi oil output and exports for crude and refined products were continuing without disruption.

The 1,200-kilometer (750-mile) pipeline, which reportedly has a capacity of at least five million barrels per day, carries crude oil from Saudi Arabia’s main eastern fields to the Red Sea port city of Yanbu in the west.


PressTV-Yemeni ballistic missile hits Saudi Aramco oil refinery
Yemeni army forces and their allies have fired a Badr-1 ballistic missile at an Aramco oil refinery in Saudi Arabia’s southern border region of Jizan.

The targeted pumping stations are located in the towns of Dawadmi and Afif, which lie in the Najd region west of the capital, Riyadh.

Earlier in the day, an unnamed Yemeni military source told Arabic-language al-Masirah television network that Yemeni soldiers, backed by allied fighters from Popular Committees, launched a major operation against the strategic economic target in Saudi Arabia in retaliation for the Riyadh regime’s devastating military aggression and siege of the impoverished country.

The source added that seven unmanned aerial vehicles were involved in the attacks.

Meanwhile, global oil prices rose in the aftermath of Yemeni drone strikes on the two pumping stations belonging to state oil company Saudi Aramco.


PressTV-Oil jumps after Saudi Arabia says tankers targeted
Oil futures rise on increasing concerns about supply disruptions in the Middle East after Saudi Arabia says two of its oil tankers were targeted in a "sabotage attack”.

Brent crude futures were at $70.79 a barrel at 1035 GMT, up 56 cents or 0.80%.

US West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude futures were at $61.35 per barrel, up 31 cents or 0.51%.

Furthermore, Saudi Arabia’s main stock index, the Tadawul, was down 1.5% at midday London time.

The development came only two days after Saudi Arabia said two of its oil tankers were among those attacked in an unspecified “sabotage operation” off the coast of Fujairah in the United Arab Emirates.

An Emirati official told Reuters that the UAE was working with local and international partners from the United States, France, Norway, and Saudi Arabia to “fully investigate the incident and to identify the people or entities responsible.”


PressTV-UAE confirms vessels targeted by 'sabotage' near port
After initially denying the reports of a huge fire that engulfed several large vessels, the UAE has confirmed that some "commercial ships" were targeted in a "sabotage" attack.

The ships -- including two Saudi oil tankers, an Emirati ship and the Norwegian tanker Andrea Victory -- were docked in the sea off the coast of Fujairah. Fujairah port is the only terminal in the UAE located on the Arabian Sea coast. The small emirate has an oil terminal and a pipeline that delivers crude oil from Abu Dhabi which sits on the majority of UAE oil reserves.

‘Yemeni drone strikes in line with right to self defense’

Separately, a member of the Political Council of the Houthi Ansarullah movement described Yemeni drone strikes against strategic targets inside Saudi Arabia and the UAE as in line with the right of self defense, stating that Yemeni forces will cease such aerial assaults once the Riyadh and Abu Dhabi regime change course and put an end to their military aggression.

“Following Saudi Arabia and the UAE’s flagrant disregard for our demand to stop the onslaught and persistence on the blockade of Yemen, Yemeni forces launch attacks against targets in the heart of these countries high on their agenda," said Mohammad al-Bukhaiti.


PressTV-‘Several Saudi soldiers slain in Yemeni drone strike’
Yemeni forces targeted an area in the kingdom’s southern border region of Asir.

Moreover, Deputy Yemeni Minister of Information, Fahmi al-Yusufi, said the drone strikes carry a clear message to Saudis.

“They are within the range of our attacks, and US battle ships cannot rescue them. The Yemeni army, which previously did not even have Kalashnikov rifles in inventory, can now produce drones that infiltrate into Saudi Arabia and the UAE. We are fully prepared to defend our soil. These attacks attest to our military progress despite the ongoing sea, land and air blockade on Yemen,” he said.

Meanwhile, spokesman for the Ansarullah movement, Mohammed Abdul-Salam, also commented on the issue, saying, “The attacks on Saudi oil installations were in response to the massacre of Yemeni people. The Yemeni nation has no option but to defend itself in the face of the Saudi-led coalition’s impudence and its systematic terrorist acts, which are being supported by the United States and other Western states.”

Additionally, the spokesman for Yemeni Armed Forces, Brigadier General Yahya Saree, said Yemeni forces are ready to carry out further and more delicate operations deep inside Saudi Arabia.

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The spokesman for Yemeni Armed Forces, Brigadier General Yahya Saree (file photo)
Colonel Aziz Rashid, a Yemeni military expert, also said the air raids were in response to Saudi attacks during the holy Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, and proved the failure of US-built Patriot missile system to protect Saudi Arabia against Yemeni assaults.

Rashid added the drone strikes will seriously down Saudi and UAE stocks and will eventually result in capital flight from the two Persian Gulf countries.

“This operation will fairly undermine the morale of Saudi and Emirati troops, who are heavily depending on arsenals filled with munitions bought from the United States, Britain, France and other Western countries,” he pointed out.


PressTV-Seven more Yemenis killed in new Saudi-led strikes
At least seven people, including women and children, have been killed in fresh Saudi airstrikes against Yemen's southwestern province of Dhale.

Saudi Arabia and a number of its regional allies launched a devastating campaign against Yemen in March 2015, with the goal of bringing the government of former president, Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi, back to power and crushing the Houthi Ansarullah movement.

According to a December 2018 report by the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED), a nonprofit conflict-research organization, the Saudi-led war has claimed the lives of over 60,000 Yemenis since January 2016.

The war has also taken a heavy toll on the country’s infrastructure, destroying hospitals, schools, and factories. The UN said in a report in December 2018 that over 24 million Yemenis are in dire need of humanitarian aid, including 10 million suffering from extreme levels of hunger.
 
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Iranian regime collapse would fuel the drug groups from Afghanistan and cause shitload of drug related problems in Iran, more drug exports to Iraq (south and north) through Turkey to Europe, alone other issues like new terror groups. Those are long term issues which would develop over the coming decades after such a war so it's best this doesn't happen.
 
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If nuclear weapons aren't as useful as I'm saying (as the ultimate means of deterrence), then I'm sure Israel won't mind giving up theirs right?

Or is it only not useful if Iran has them?
There are many countries who don't recognize Israel's right to exist and even threatening to destroy it. No one denies Irans right to exist or threatening to destroy it.

Nuclear weapons dont make u immune from wars: Israel was attacked on two fronts in 1973, India and Pakistan Kirgil war, China with USSR in 1969. Surreally it does not make u immune from terror attacks.

It does not make countrys leader immune from coups (coup against Gorbachev in USSR, Musharaff coup in Pakistan). It does not even make country from total collapse like USSR (it had more nukes than all countries combined).

If Iran will get nuclear weapons the only thing it will achieve is huge sanctions. And these sanctions will only increase the chance of regime collapse.
 
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Start digging a bomb shelter if I was you. You can safely post on PDF during the war then.


India ?- "For Pakistan to be safe they need fast and hard operations around whole country against who are supporting, sponsoring providing facilities, and the camps out side of Pakistan"



That's the fate of weak disunited countries with corrupt rulers.


Goal is for regime change , nothing short , if possible.
India and Iran are sponsorer and the list just end there all every body has its stakes in be at KSA and Uncle sam
But currently Afghanistan and Iran are the bases which provid man power and weapons and training to these scums
Than when you are able to control and lower the incoming flow
Only than you can properly clean the house internally otherwise if Pakistan starts any major operation they will just run back.
Pakistan needs to show resolve specially military and Politicals they are ready to take external threats seriously.
One off strike on India is nothing.
Than Pakistan with help of china provide proof if india is sponsoring all that to international parties
And if no body does anything than Pakistan should follow indian steps to protect itself as enemy will have less time to focus on you when they are busy internally
 
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what do you expect? you people are as pathetic as the Americans, If Pakistan has its interests, so does everyone else, Iran or any other country wont take your bullets on their chest...


A simple solution to all this is, "Close all anti India terror camps in Pakistan".
Everything else is secondary...:tup:

Retard, it is the Indians who are exporter of terror through their terror training camps in Afghanistan.
Pakistan is suffering Indian's exported terror almost on daily basis. Count all the terror attacks just in last one week, you have carried out through your trained terrorists from Afghanistan and Iran.
You better shut the fcuk up.

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Remember this image? Recent attacks in Balochistan and an attack on Iran, are all linked to this map.
Funny part is, even Saudia will be disintegrated.

Stuff this map, this is never going to happen. YANKS are not that powerful.
 
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Retard, it is the Indians who are exporter of terror through their terror training camps in Afghanistan.
Pakistan is suffering Indian's exported terror almost on daily basis. Count all the terror attacks just in last one week, you have carried out through your trained terrorists from Afghanistan and Iran.
You better shut the fcuk up.



Stuff this map, this is never going to happen. YANKS are not that powerful.
They are at least trying.
 
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If Iran will get nuclear weapons the only thing it will achieve is huge sanctions. And these sanctions will only increase the chance of regime collapse.

let me rephrase this sentence,
if Iran shows nuclear weapon then it will face full sanction by western countries and UNSC, so useless things escalate and it will justify Iran show some serious weaponry then it is unlikely we see much
 
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Iran is not a weak nation, united states cant go to war with iran full scale. It might only be a show of force and small skirmishes.

We pakistaniz would like to see a strong stable and full of peace iranian territory. We are against any military action on iran.

Iran is not a weak nation, united states cant go to war with iran full scale. It might only be a show of force and small skirmishes.

We pakistaniz would like to see a strong stable and full of peace iranian territory. We are against any military action on iran.
 
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Iran is not a weak nation, united states cant go to war with iran full scale. It might only be a show of force and small skirmishes.

We pakistaniz would like to see a strong stable and full of peace iranian territory. We are against any military action on iran.

Iran is not a weak nation, united states cant go to war with iran full scale. It might only be a show of force and small skirmishes.

We pakistaniz would like to see a strong stable and full of peace iranian territory. We are against any military action on iran.
You are hugely mistaken, the ingredients for attack are:-
1. Technologically superior army
2. Expendable and well trained soldiers
3. Money
4. Quantity, quality and supply chain of weapons
5.Leadership who have nothing to lose other than being voted out and living off a handsome pension
6. A weaker opponent
7. War fought on foreign soil

Unfortunately for Iran all the boxes are ticked for war.

The only issue is can the US fight a simultaneous multi-regional war just in case China goes for Taiwan, Russia for Ukraine, North Korea for South Korea whilst the US is busy with Iran? Does the US public have the stomach to lose so many of their loved ones and what is the tipping point of the US soldier before they say no way?

If Iran collapses then it may fall into civil war as various actors fill the vacuum to form the new order. The Mullahs and their supporters aren't going to go easily. A bloody civil war will ensue and one side will decimate the other to ensure the enemy doesn't rise again. If the USA loses then it will open the way for a disaster for KSA and the Emirates as Iran will be further emboldened to interfere to expand their influence and spur on the Shia revolution. If the Iranian arms manufacturing isn't reduced in the ensuing war then it will be a disaster for Israel as the weapons manufacturing goes into overdrive more will be used against Israel. As this hostility is being undertaken for the Israeli state any miscalculation will be extremely costly for Israel and would rattle the Zions. Even worse the Iranians could push towards initiating production of nukes neutralising the Isreali advantage which they currently have.
 
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You are hugely mistaken, the ingredients for attack are:-
1. Technologically superior army
2. Expendable and well trained soldiers
3. Money
4. Quantity, quality and supply chain of weapons
5.Leadership who have nothing to lose other than being voted out and living off a handsome pension
6. A weaker opponent
7. War fought on foreign soil

Unfortunately for Iran all the boxes are ticked for war.

The only issue is can the US fight a simultaneous multi-regional war just in case China goes for Taiwan, Russia for Ukraine, North Korea for South Korea whilst the US is busy with Iran? Does the US public have the stomach to lose so many of their loved ones and what is the tipping point of the US soldier before they say no way?

If Iran collapses then it may fall into civil war as various actors fill the vacuum to form the new order. The Mullahs and their supporters aren't going to go easily. A bloody civil war will ensue and one side will decimate the other to ensure the enemy doesn't rise again. If the USA loses then it will open the way for a disaster for KSA and the Emirates as Iran will be further emboldened to interfere to expand their influence and spur on the Shia revolution. If the Iranian arms manufacturing isn't reduced in the ensuing war then it will be a disaster for Israel as the weapons manufacturing goes into overdrive more will be used against Israel. As this hostility is being undertaken for the Israeli state any miscalculation will be extremely costly for Israel and would rattle the Zions. Even worse the Iranians could push towards initiating production of nukes neutralising the Isreali advantage which they currently have.
you missed one scenario on simultaneous multiregional war, Pakistan goes for north india.
 
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