A Chinese National Shot By Police in Paris

[terranMarine]

He was shot by another officer after attacking another as soon as the door was opened. The officer was rushed to hospital with non life injuries. How can you call it an accident ? It doesn't matter if the man was a Chinese or not,he would have suffered the same fate.

The officers forced into the home after hearing children screaming inside. They intervened as any other officers would do in the world fearing harm would be done to anyone.

How did an officer get injured ? Riiiiiiiiiight,he injured himself,of course,so that their story looks realistic.

Stop thinking France is some kind of banana republic where the Police and Gendarmerie forces shoot people randomly and where the state looks the other way.

Lot of hypocrits over here. If a French national in China stabbed an officer and hen was shot dead,I wouldn't make such a fuss of it and would say that the Chinese Police did its job. And lot of you would praise them.

If the men were in plain clothings, did not identify themselves as police trashed your door open armed with guns, how would you have reacted you snobbish French? You put the blame on the poor Chinese man for inflicting injury to the police officer so the cops had every reason to shoot him. You and that drama queen are shameless. Have you even asked why the door was trashed open? Because he did not want to open the door. Well why didn't he want to open the door? Because they didn't identify themselves as cops so that makes it right for them to trash the door open when the poor dude refused to let them in? France is starting to behave like the USA.

 

[Jlaw]

If the men were in plain clothings, did not identify themselves as police trashed your door open armed with guns, how would you have reacted you snobbish French? You put the blame on the poor Chinese man for inflicting injury to the police officer so the cops had every reason to shoot him. You and that drama queen are shameless. Have you even asked why the door was trashed open? Because he did not want to open the door. Well why didn't he want to open the door? Because they didn't identify themselves as cops so that makes it right for them to trash the door open when the poor dude refused to let them in? France is starting to behave like the USA.

Exactly i would not open the door for plain clothes police. At least the Chinese rioted and protested. Beijing's typical bull shit opinion to call for calm is so predictable and unrealistic. Easy for Beijing officials to say when its not their father who were shot.

 

[Vergennes]

If the men were in plain clothings, did not identify themselves as police trashed your door open armed with guns, how would you have reacted you snobbish French? You put the blame on the poor Chinese man for inflicting injury to the police officer so the cops had every reason to shoot him. You and that drama queen are shameless. Have you even asked why the door was trashed open? Because he did not want to open the door. Well why didn't he want to open the door? Because they didn't identify themselves as cops so that makes it right for them to trash the door open when the poor dude refused to let them in? France is starting to behave like the USA.

The Police officers always identifiy themselves when they knock at anyone's door,even more when they are in plain clothes,as claimed. They always say "Police,ouvrez!" (Police,open!). Even one of the daughter said she saw two armed officers by the door hole,a man and a woman. Anything else ?

Exactly i would not open the door for plain clothes police. At least the Chinese rioted and protested. Beijing's typical bull shit opinion to calk for calm is so predictable and unrealistic. Easy for Beijing officials to say when its not their father who were shot.

I am pretty sure rioting and destroying public properties will get them anywhere. Hope they'll spend a good time in jail and fined heavily.

 

[terranMarine]

The Police officers always identifiy themselves when they knock at anyone's door,even more when they are in plain clothes,as claimed. They always say "Police,ouvrez!" (Police,open!). Even one of the daughter said she saw two armed officers by the door hole,a man and a woman. Anything else ?



I am pretty sure rioting and destroying public properties will get them anywhere. Hope they'll spend a good time in jail and fined heavily.

If the cops properly identified themselves as police officers, why didn't he open the door then? Why was the door broken down? I seriously doubt the side of the cops on this story. In US a police officer lied about a black man taking his weapon just to cover his a*s. The truth was revealed when another citizen recorded the whole event. Yeah cops don't lie especially the French

 

[Vergennes]

If the cops properly identified themselves as police officers, why didn't he open the door then? Why was the door broken down? I seriously doubt the side of the cops on this story. In US a police officer lied about a black man taking his weapon just to cover his a*s. The truth was revealed when another citizen recorded the whole event. Yeah cops don't lie especially the French

The officers forced their entry as screams were heard inside. Yes,why didn't the door open when the officers showed up and asked them to do it ? Was there something to hide ? You guys must forget that an officer was sent to hospital.
If the Lius cooperated,the incident wouldn't have taken this importance.

Let's talk frankly. What did they expect by not opening the door ? That they would go away and give up ?

The US is not comparable to France. The use of weapons remains strict and rare. The number of people killed each years by the Police is very low. Sometimes,French police officers are even so scared of using their weapons because of the all the lawsuits,consequences whatsoever they would face. If you think they have the trigger easy,then you are wrong.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

The officers forced their entry as screams were heard inside. Yes,why didn't the door open when the officers showed up and asked them to do it ? Was there something to hide ? You guys must forget that an officer was sent to hospital.
If the Lius cooperated,the incident wouldn't have taken this importance.

Let's talk frankly. What did they expect by not opening the door ? That they would go away and give up ?

The US is not comparable to France. The use of weapons remains strict and rare. The number of people killed each years by the Police is very low. Sometimes,French police officers are even so scared of using their weapons because of the all the lawsuits,consequences whatsoever they would face. If you think they have the trigger easy,then you are wrong.

As far as I understand, the police were in plainclothes.

AND

There have been robberies before in that area, with people claiming to be police.

Let's say if some people, in plainclothes, were suddenly knocking hard on my door for seemingly no reason, what would happen?

There are just too many questions unanswered here.

The police shot straight in the heart of the person. Why?

Anyways I have full trust in the French system and I am totally confident that we will eventually have a more complete version of events.

 

[Vergennes]

There have been robberies before in that area, with people claiming to be police.

Where does this claim come from ?

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Where does this claim come from ?

http://china.org.cn/world/2017-03/31/content_40536370.htm

From the article:

Liu probably had good reason to believe those plainclothes policemen were gangsters. The newspaper Nouvelles D'Europe reported there was precedent that in December 2016, several fake cops illegally imprisoned another Chinese family in Seine-Saint-Denis.​

 

[Nilgiri]

Just report the false flag troll guys. Don't quote him.

 

[jhungary]

As far as I understand, the police were in plainclothes.

AND

There have been robberies before in that area, with people claiming to be police.

Let's say if some people, in plainclothes, were suddenly knocking hard on my door for seemingly no reason, what would happen?

There are just too many questions unanswered here.

The police shot straight in the heart of the person. Why?

Anyways I have full trust in the French system and I am totally confident that we will eventually have a more complete version of events.

Plain Clothes Police would have been carrying ID Badge, the daughter had identify the pair was indeed police officer in the statement. You don't just claim you are a Police Officer, you also need to produce a warrant card and the badge outside thru the peephole and Liu or his daughter could have ID the police that way before opening the door.

Police trained to shoot at people heart or torso area. Police firearms training focus on shooting the centre-mass of a human body, that translate to upper torso. There are 2 reason behind this.

1.) Upper Torso (Heart, Chest area) are the biggest mass of a human body. Police aren't sharpshooter. Comparing a target between heads, hands, legs and torso, Torso is a lot easier to hit than Headshot or Limbshot

2.) Hitting center mass is the only way to bring a person down, sometime if you hit someone in their hands and leg or even head and neck, they won't go down.

Training would have seen the police officer(s) aim for the easiest target on Liu's body, hitting his heart is not unprepared nor uncommon.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Plain Clothes Police would have been carrying ID Badge, the daughter had identify the pair was indeed police officer in the statement. You don't just claim you are a Police Officer, you also need to produce a warrant card and the badge outside thru the peephole and Liu or his daughter could have ID the police that way before opening the door.

Police trained to shoot at people heart or torso area. Police firearms training focus on shooting the centre-mass of a human body, that translate to upper torso. There are 2 reason behind this.

1.) Upper Torso (Heart, Chest area) are the biggest mass of a human body. Police aren't sharpshooter. Comparing a target between heads, hands, legs and torso, Torso is a lot easier to hit than Headshot or Limbshot

2.) Hitting center mass is the only way to bring a person down, sometime if you hit someone in their hands and leg or even head and neck, they won't go down.

Training would have seen the police officer(s) aim for the easiest target on Liu's body, hitting his heart is not unprepared nor uncommon.

Ya, that's why comes the next part, about people having previously already robbed and threatened Chinese people in the vicinity disguised as police.

And anyways, the daughter disputes the account of fighting etc. with the police.

But again, their country, their rules.

I at least think that lethal force must be reserved for the most exceptional of circumstances, which my reading of the incident makes it not one of those exceptional circumstances.

PS- I know something about shooting, and I am pretty certain, that at close range, (less than 5 meters), one can very easily choose to shoot at legs, and hit the target.

 

[jhungary]

Ya, that's why comes the next part, about people having previously already robbed and threatened Chinese people in the vicinity disguised as police.

And anyways, the daughter disputes the account of fighting etc. with the police.

But again, their country, their rules.

I at least think that lethal force must be reserved for the most exceptional of circumstances, which my reading of the incident makes it not one of those exceptional circumstances.

There are still ways to tell the different between Police and some Thug. In the west, police are require to carry warrant card and badge if they are plain clothes, those thing cannot be fake and they would have show it thru the peep hole before Liu or his daughter even need to open the door.

The girl Identify the people as police in the statement she made, yet she did not answer why Liu did not open the door nor the discrepancy between her account and the result. Police officer were send to the Hospital, if there are no altercation or some sort, this cannot happen (Unless you accuse the two police stab each other??), which is what the daughter claimed.

Problem is that when a call is given out, police procedure calls for the police to react with different type of force, EUPOL govern the Police Policy of EU and it will require the dispatcher to state the threat level for the front line policing unit to have their call of whether what constitute as "Appropriate Response". And if the officer break this protocol, they will need a very good reason for it, otherwise there are tons of paperwork and legal hearing will be dealt with to the officer. Contrary to many people believe, Police don't usually like to draw their weapon, as that involve a lot of internal and sometime external hearing and audit for simply drawing the weapon, not to mention firing at someone.

PS- I know something about shooting, and I am pretty certain, that at close range, (less than 5 meters), one can very easily choose to shoot at legs, and hit the target.

I can shoot a dime out of a paper target with my pistol in 10 meters range too, but does that mean I can shoot a guys hand and leg when I was in a adrenaline charged situation?

Don't forget you have about 2 second to draw your weapon and pull the trigger and hit something, another 3 second to have your thought process so you decided to use your sidearm. All in a while you may have a person charging at you. Will you still have time to aim at someone arms and legs in this situation?

Shooting paper target is one thing, shooting a person is different, shooting a person in a highly charged situation is another situation altogether. If you had experience shooting a person in a highly charged situation, then you know you will always fall back to your training, which is aim for the center mass.

To say you can shoot a person's arms and legs is only ever happened in the movie. It won't happen in reality.

 

[TaiShang]

@terranMarine , @Jlaw

French police accused of misconduct over Chinese national's death

 

[Jlaw]

@terranMarine , @Jlaw

French police accused of misconduct over Chinese national's death

If the cop does not lose his job and go to jail, any charges does not matter

 

[Skull and Bones]

Tragic incident.