A Chinese National Shot By Police in Paris

[Star Expedition]

Powerful weapons are one thing. The will to use it is another. When president Xi made a comment on one of his speech about "violence is not part of Chinese DNA", the west take this as weakness even if it's just lip service to calm the smaller Asian countries. THAAD deployment was also viewed as Chinese weakness. I always felt SK was using Chinese for its market, but China think economics will bring SK on their side.

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YES. all Chinese media.

We don't need to do as we said yesterday.

Anyway, if we have more power than any western country, we don't need to say or do.

Only power matters.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Well somebody called the police saying there was a guy with a knife threatening the family..have they determined who placed that call?

 

[jhungary]

Well somebody called the police saying there was a guy with a knife threatening the family..have they determined who placed that call?

probably neighbors

 

[Keel]

The officers forced into the home after hearing children screaming inside. They intervened as any other officers would do in the world fearing harm would be done to anyone.

The girl (the victim's daughter) was crying in front of the TV camera telling "his father was CUTTING FISH" and accusing the police's use of brutality crashing into their home in the first place and then the rampage and shooting at the father

Your statement is contrary to the girl's oral depiction

That's the only way to solve these things from the root.

To this case, we can do almost nothing.
If he is a American, France couldn't do the same.

I'm not sure
Let wait and see how the event unfolds itself

 

[Vergennes]

The girl (the victim's daughter) was crying in front of the TV camera telling "his father was CUTTING FISH" and accusing the police's use of brutality crashing into their home in the first place and then the rampage and shooting at the father

Your statement is contrary to the girl's oral depiction




I'm not sure
Let wait and see how the event unfolds itself

French Police rules to the use of firearms,even if have been eased recently,remain very strict. The use of firearm by the involved officers meant the situation was serious.

Now if Mr Liu did nothing,as told by their relatives,how can you explain an officer was injured (stabbed) in the incident ? And why did the officers open fire if Mr Liu was non-dangerous ?

You are all wrong if you think the French Police has the trigger easy.

 

[Globenim]

Where did my post go? Entire lengthly posts, all facts and objective debunking of falsehoods and objective and rational (actual not just "my opinion/ignorant speculations are fact and objective") debunking of the mindnumbing dumb and just blatantly ignorant bullshit and shaming by the disingenious China hater posted here gone without any notice... ? Im not writing up everything from scratch all over again, congratulations if it was your intention to censor and remove relevant factual truths from the discussion.

 

[Viet]

I think, what we know so far on the FACTS are the following.

1.) Police was called to the address where Liu lives.
2.) Policemen were injured in the altercation as per hospital reports.
3.) Liu was holding a scissor when he was killed
4.) Multiple Police Officer were attending to the incident, a back up shot Liu.
5.) Liu dies of his injury.

What is disputed.

1.) Police Claim Liu attacks the Policemen at the door with the scissors
2.) Liu's daughter claim Liu was cutting fish (with a scissors??) when the Police Barged/Broke in and shot Liu almost immediately.
3.) Liu's daughter claim Liu was immediately tackle to the floor by the police when they break open the door.

So the story have to match the fact and supported by evidence here. Discrepancy are as follow.

1.) Police will not normally go break down anyone door at random, Police was (and should be) called to the address for a reason.

2.) Liu's daughter claim Police shot Liu immediately after seeing Liu holding a pair of scissors, but she also said Police was able to knock down Liu almost immediately after they broke into the door.

3.) Why would anyone prepare fish with a pair of scissors? A knife may be, but I cannot seems to be able to find a way to prepare a fish with scissors?

Look at the case objectively, I would say some altercation happened with the police and Liu was shot in the process.

Using scissor to cut fish fin is much easier than knife.

 

[Viet]

The girl (the victim's daughter) was crying in front of the TV camera telling "his father was CUTTING FISH" and accusing the police's use of brutality crashing into their home in the first place and then the rampage and shooting at the father

Your statement is contrary to the girl's oral depiction




I'm not sure
Let wait and see how the event unfolds itself

That is not uncommon. When French policemen are called in, being instructed the suspect is dangerous or a criminal, whether is true or not, they shoot first and ask you later. When you ever travel and visit some certain French quarters you will understand.

Paris is a beautiful city. But it is not a city for most people, least immigrants who want a affordable flat.

 

[Kyle Sun]

French Police rules to the use of firearms,even if have been eased recently,remain very strict. The use of firearm by the involved officers meant the situation was serious.

Now if Mr Liu did nothing,as told by their relatives,how can you explain an officer was injured (stabbed) in the incident ? And why did the officers open fire if Mr Liu was non-dangerous ?

You are all wrong if you think the French Police has the trigger easy.

tell me why this old man attacked policemen at the moment the door was open?
Are those policemen trying to say he is lunatic?

 

[shadows888]

probably neighbors

well if we can just make shit up here, then i'll say it was jhungary who placed the call.

 

[Viet]

Well, yes, but still using scissor is not really progressive on prepping fish. Maybe the Chinese do it differently? In the west, we mostly uses fillet knife to jack open a fish.



yeah, and I hate you lot so freakin bad it is my mission to report all your post whether or not it is about me or not.

think about it for a moment, his post is toward the French guy, why I want to censor it and report it?

Not everyone like you here on this forum, some of us wanted to see the truth instead of going on about something other MAY or MAY NOT do.

And finally, please refrain from using the word Chicano, the word is extremely racist (A race base slur). It's like calling you ch.nk or a Pakistani PA.I. Letting you know I am reporting this post because of that word.

You use both: scissor and knife. That is the way personally I do to prepare a fish for dinner. First I cut all fins by scissor, then do all the rest by a long sharp knife.

As for Chinese protesters in Paris, I can understand their anger, but resorting to violence and showing Chinese red flag in public will instigate French sentiment against the Chinese, that will spread later against the Vietnamese and other immigrants in Paris. The French can hardly differentiate between Chinese, Vietnamese and Koreans.

The quarters and suburbs, where many immigrants live, can be considered as slums by German standards. French police usually don't want to go there. Or going there in group and heavily armed.

 

[jhungary]

well if we can just make shit up here, then i'll say it was jhungary who placed the call.

How do you know I made the call?? Liu owe me 500 grands, I call the police at the same time for some reason, I know he is holding the knife.

May I remind you someone died here, it's hardly a place nor time to put these type of message, be serious or don't post at all. Is it that much to ask you people?

You use both: scissor and knife. That is the way personally I do to prepare a fish for dinner. First I cut all fins by scissor, then do all the rest by a long sharp knife.

As for Chinese protesters in Paris, I can understand their anger, but resorting to violence and showing chinese red flag in public will instigate French sentiment against the Chinese, that will spread later against the Vietnamese and other immigrants in Paris. The French can hardly differentiate between Chinese, Vietnamese and Koreans.

The quarters and suburbs, where many immigrants live, can be considered as slums by German standards. French police usually don't want to go there. Or going there in group and heavily armed.

Well, I don't cook (not that much, and yes, I can make a manwich if I am in a bind)

But for fish here, either it was processed (like already filleted) or it was served as a whole. In Oz, you don't generally get fish as a whole (un-prepped) unless you buy them at seafood vendor.

On the other hand, this whole story is about he said/she said. The police said one thing and the daughter said another. However, some facts cannot be disputed, and if the story actually followed the daughter's version, then that story does not explain why Police were called to the address, and why One of the copper ended up in a hospital.

I am not gonna say whose at fault here, as I weren't there, but just to understand how this goes down before we should have our own judgment.

But all in all, I agree, protesting like this before the factual version surface is not wise.

 

[TaiShang]

Autopsy: Paris police shot Chinese man in heart
By Zhang Rui , China.org.cn, March 31, 2017

Members of the Chinese community gather at Place de la Bastille in Paris, France, March 30, 2017, after a Chinese man was shot dead by police at his Paris home last Sunday, triggering riots in the French capital by members of the Chinese community and a diplomatic protest by Beijing. [Photo/ VCG]

An autopsy report shows the Chinese man shot dead in Paris on Sunday night by a French policeman suffered a gunshot to his heart.

The report, released on Wednesday night, said the fatal bullet came from a Sig Sauer 9mm handgun. The shot hit 2mm into the left side of the heart, sufficient to cause instant death.

However, the autopsy report did not state who was responsible for the tragedy.

Liu Shaoyao, 56, was described as a "loving father" by his children. His death caused uproar among Chinese community in Paris as well as in China. The French police previously claimed Liu was shot in an act of "legitimate defense" against "an assailant with scissors," after the police were called to deal with an alleged "domestic dispute."

However, Liu's family claimed the scissors were being used in preparing fish for cooking, and he had no record of psychiatric problems, alcoholic abuse nor a record of violence in the past; hence, he should have been warned first rather than being shot directly after their door was broken down.

Liu's daughter further explained that the policemen were in plain clothes. Liu saw the plainclothes police officer through the peephole in the door, but he was afraid to open it. The police then smashed down the door, and, upon seeing Liu holding the scissors, shot him.

Liu probably had good reason to believe those plainclothes policemen were gangsters. The newspaper Nouvelles D'Europe reported there was precedent that in December 2016, several fake cops illegally imprisoned another Chinese family in Seine-Saint-Denis.

Local media reports from Le Monde and Le Nouvel Observateur both quoted a neighbor's account, confirming that she also looked through the door viewer when she heard someone loudly knocking on Liu's door. "They were just knocking at the door, and they were in plain clothes, and they didn't say they were police. Two minutes later, I heard the gunshot; it was too fast."

Currently, there are two investigations underway related to the case. One is from the Paris prosecution department regarding a possible attempted homicide directed against a police officer, and the second from the General Inspectorate of the National Police, on the use of a lethal weapon by a police officer.

The police officer who shot Liu has been suspended and is on sick leave, undergoing psychological counseling, according to local media.

The protests against Liu's shooting and police brutality have continued for four days in the French capital. However, protesters yesterday were more calm and peaceful than the first three days.

Hundreds of protesters gathered in Paris' 19th arrondissement, where Liu was shot dead, on Monday and Tuesday, with demonstrations turning into riots on both nights. A total of 35 persons were arrested on Monday evening, with four remaining in police custody. No arrests were made on Wednesday, but two protesters and six security officers were injured in clashes.

China has called for overseas Chinese living in France to react rationally amid the protests over the shooting. "We understand the reactions of Chinese people to this incident, and hope they can exercise restraint, avoid repeating such conflicts and escalating tensions," sad Foreign Ministry spokesperson Lu Kang at a daily briefing on Wednesday.

The Chinese migrant community also held a meeting on Thursday and released a joint statement, sending deep condolences to Liu's family and appealing to the French authorities and police to respect human rights and not to overreact in the law enforcement process despite terrorist threats.

Liu Shaoyao's memorial service and demonstration will be held on April 1, community leaders said.

 

[MULUBJA]

RIP. This is one news we would never like to hear.

 

[Nilgiri]

Looks like it comes down to which side of the account you have more trust and belief in.

So similar with many other accounts and even histories.