80% of Pakistan is under Terrorist Control............ Pakistan Intelligence Institutions

[N.Siddiqui]

Yes, Dilon pe raaj to great Khan ka he.

On a serious note, it's a genuine argument that what is the state? Is it the territory, the government or the people? Or all of these in a specific arrangement. Usually that arrangement or contract is manifested in the form of the constitution. Here, constitution is being relegated to the dustbin. It doesn't take much imagination to see that this bodes ill for the state.

In Pakistan the defination of the State is not that ideal as for the rest of the democratic countries, it's the Establishment as the state, an anomaly. Still not clear....

As per Google(wikipedia)

A state can be distinguished from a government. The state is the organization while the government is the particular group of people, the administrative bureaucracy that controls the state apparatus at a given time. That is, governments are the means through which state power is employed.

In detail:

9 Main Differences between State and Government

ADVERTISEMENTS: Some of the main differences between state and government are as follows: 1. Government is only an element of the state: A State has four essential elements—Population, Territory, Government and Sovereignty. Government is only one element of the State. It is just one part of the...

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[villageidiot]

In Pakistan the defination of the State is ... the Establishment as the state,

And that's what I said the other day. A building can't stand on one pillar only. The other pillars of the state must be allowed their right place as per the blueprints of the building i.e the constitution

 

[N.Siddiqui]

And that's what I said the other day. A building can't stand on one pillar only. The other pillars of the state must be allowed their right place as per the blueprints of the building i.e the constitution

Exactly! as it is said the four pillars of democracy are:

Four pillars of Democracy are Legislature, Executive, Judiciary and Press. Legislature - It is responsible for making and adoption of laws in the country.

Don't know what are the pillars of the state as opposite to govt. or democracy, maybe it's military, land/Estate, LEA's...bureaucracy, govt. servants, plus some more

 

[epebble]

But the government and the military would not be able to make this claim to the court without proper supporting evidence. After all, the judges also live in the same country. They know what is happening. It would be stupid to think you can pull wool over their eyes so easily.

 

[Olympus81]

An open and shut case for elections to be held within 90 days and these boomers are going around in circles.

These dumbf-cks are the reason Pakistan is in such a state.

In any sane country this would be a slam dunk Article 6 high treason on PDM and Intelligence agencies.

Few months down the line, if it was to save PDM, they will legalize rape as well.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

So,,,,,,,, Where is the FOOL , the "ThinkTanks", and the Patwaris now?

 

[villageidiot]

But the government and the military would not be able to make this claim to the court without proper supporting evidence. After all, the judges also live in the same country. They know what is happening. It would be stupid to think you can pull wool over their eyes so easily.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Braindeads couldn't understand the problems the ECP are mentioning(on ISI/PDM order) like law and order, economic meltdown, no finances are all due to the instabilty/uncertainty, and lack of trust by the people due to no elections, and no election date given.

It's like saying the operation against the terrorism is postponed as there is so much terrorism now.

Elections and a popular, people mandated govt. can only solve all the problems mentioned for not holding the elections.

 

[RescueRanger]

A bit off topic but do you know is there a thread of what's been going on in Gwadar with CPEC and the protests? Really feel like Gwadar issue has not been getting as much attention as it should.

@Jango @SQ8 @RescueRanger

Gwadar will pick up again, when the first trench of payments are about to be released. Watch this space.

 

[uhuru]

They're not wrong. 80% of the country is controlled by Fauj and their minion PDM.

I am glad they say 80%; because Balochistan is 20% that is standing up to these bastards.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

A bit off topic but do you know is there a thread of what's been going on in Gwadar with CPEC and the protests? Really feel like Gwadar issue has not been getting as much attention as it should.

@Jango @SQ8 @RescueRanger

Gwadar was bound to fail. Pakistan was too unfocused and lazy to get anything remotely done.

I've been hearing how Gwadar was supposed to be a "game-changer" and how Gwadar was gonna be a second Karachi since 2016 LOL.

 

[villageidiot]

Gwadar was bound to fail. Pakistan was too unfocused and lazy to get anything remotely done.

I've been hearing how Gwadar was supposed to be a "game-changer" and how Gwadar was gonna be a second Karachi since 2016 LOL.

All that glitters is not gold.

 

[HerbertPervert]

Gwadar was bound to fail. Pakistan was too unfocused and lazy to get anything remotely done.

I've been hearing how Gwadar was supposed to be a "game-changer" and how Gwadar was gonna be a second Karachi since 2016 LOL.

Gwadar was nothing more than another real estate scam. Too many people in the country are lazy and like to earn money without working. Sometimes that is done through asking bribes or commissions, stealing, and at other times, speculative real estate market.

How do you hold land and drive up it's value? By repeating the same mantra of the establishment for the last 70 years, "strategic location". So the establishment tries to sell this scam by calling it strategic, potential naval base for China. Yet, a decade has gone by and still don't see a Chinese naval base? I'm sure they would build if you offer?

Also, no one really lives in Western China. Xinjiang is just a desert. Not much industry there. Most of the population, along with industry, is in Eastern China. It's far cheaper to ship through sea than rail. Even if China were to ship through Pakistan, where is the rail connection? You can't feasibly build rail over the Khunjerab Pass. It's too high, cold, difficult to build rail or pipelines.

But even if it was strategic, why the hell would anyone invest in Gwadar? There is no railroad infrastructure to load ports. There is not much highway if any in Balochistan.

Even if you have all the necessary infrastructure, what is the point if it can be blown up or truck drivers can be shot dead at the side of the road? Better yet, why would any foreigner invest in Pakistan where thanks to the establishment's policies, anyone or anything can be blown up at anytime?

What industry exists in Balochistan? Is there any skilled labor in Balochistan? Does the manufacturing output of the entire country even produce enough goods to fill up even Karachi port? Last time I checked, the port seemed pretty empty. This country loves to build infrastructure it probably won't use.

But you will definitely find housing developments and plots of land for sale in Gwadar. You will also find that the buyers are Pakistani and that there are no foreigner buyers. We can see that after a decade, aside from seeing a few structures built by China for PR and the few Urea shipments to Afghan, Gwadar remains nothing more than a failed housing development.

 

[SQ8]

Gwadar was nothing more than another real estate scam. Too many people in the country are lazy and like to earn money without working. Sometimes that is done through asking bribes or commissions, stealing, and at other times, speculative real estate market.

How do you hold land and drive up it's value? By repeating the same mantra of the establishment for the last 70 years, "strategic location". So the establishment tries to sell this scam by calling it strategic, potential naval base for China. Yet, a decade has gone by and still don't see a Chinese naval base? I'm sure they would build if you offer?

Also, no one really lives in Western China. Xinjiang is just a desert. Not much industry there. Most of the population, along with industry, is in Eastern China. It's far cheaper to ship through sea than rail. Even if China were to ship through Pakistan, where is the rail connection? You can't feasibly build rail over the Khunjerab Pass. It's too high, cold, difficult to build rail or pipelines.

But even if it was strategic, why the hell would anyone invest in Gwadar? There is no railroad infrastructure to load ports. There is not much highway if any in Balochistan.

Even if you have all the necessary infrastructure, what is the point if it can be blown up or truck drivers can be shot dead at the side of the road? Better yet, why would any foreigner invest in Pakistan where thanks to the establishment's policies, anyone or anything can be blown up at anytime?

What industry exists in Balochistan? Is there any skilled labor in Balochistan? Does the manufacturing output of the entire country even produce enough goods to fill up even Karachi port? Last time I checked, the port seemed pretty empty. This country loves to build infrastructure it probably won't use.

But you will definitely find housing developments and plots of land for sale in Gwadar. You will also find that the buyers are Pakistani and that there are no foreigner buyers. We can see that after a decade, aside from seeing a few structures built by China for PR and the few Urea shipments to Afghan, Gwadar remains nothing more than a failed housing development.

There was an underlying aspect to it - it was to be China’s “Bahrain” . That hasn’t materialized as such … yet.

 

[Abdulaziz Al-Karimi]

The people running Pakistan are now confirmed to be mentally ill this is Muammar Gaddafi levels of mental illness.

It reminds me about that time when he said these fighting him in the libyan civil war were drugged youths elaborating that something were putten into these kids yoghurts turning them into terrorists. But in truth He was fighting democratic inspired youths and teenage rebels in Tripoli and Bengazi.. He was basically fighting millennials who were inspired by democracy.

Now Pakistan has even gone beyond that level of retardation.

The American MOD came out few days later officially declaring Gaddafi mentally ill after these specific statements regarding the yoghurt made the arounds

So now Pakistan is claiming this and the question is what is next.. 2 billion of the world population are terrorist