8 killed in Yunnan land dispute ( 6 burned alive )

[BoQ77]

I think both protesters and police are victims.

 

[cnleio]

U can put Land Dispute == Democracy, LOL... i see why ur nation develop behind China.

 

[j20]

有人的地方就有江湖，有利益的地方就有争端
嗯，如果这些事情能让本网站的越南会员很高兴，那就多发一些吧
Some places have lakes, where there is a dispute of interest

Well, if these things can make the site of Vietnamese member is very happy,then some more.

 

[j20]

Hi there. What is your take on this? Who do you think is the victim?

几年前开发商从村民手中买下了土地，今天价值上涨超过一倍，村民觉得自己吃亏了，认为自己应该得到更多补偿才引发的争端
当利益争端失去控制有人因此死亡的时候，两方人都是受害者。
我只能说这是个悲剧
A few years ago, developers bought the land from the villagers hands todayvalue more than doubled, villagers felt themselves, think they should get morecompensation disputes

When the interests of the dispute lose control people died when two party people are the victims.

I can only say that this is a tragedy

 

[Keel]

when talking about land protest in china these images comes to mind

These are some of the solutions to disagreement of resettlement terms between the property owners and the local government.
Wonderful are they?

I guess India does not have these

BoQ77 Should be in Hong Kong，Just do not know that you are not illegal immigrants.Hong Kong is not your home，None of your business！Although your internationalism people moved.See you so concerned about Chinese affairs it is better to emigrate to China.

The troll is the major instigator of creating hatred towards the Chinese community in the name of "Democracy"
His identity is dubious
If he is vietnamese he should be more concerned about the woeful conditions of his country


Despite all the upheavals, lives go on and thrive on literally on most parts of China
Haters can keep their jealousies to themselves
We are marching ahead building our Country and Welfare to our People, regardless!

 

[Keel]

This is indeed tragedy. These people, most has/had family members who had sacrificed their lives for freedom from landlords, and yet, 65 years later those whom they'd followed become their new landlords. Ironic isn't it?

Tragic case yes but the foreign media have magnified the incidence toa large proportion in a way to make it look like all the people who are in disagreement with land settlement are killed or burnt to death

They are hyping and sensationalising an isolated social unrest just like what you are doing alongside with the much hated 'vietnamese flag" on the forum!

 

[j20]

This is indeed tragedy. These people, most has/had family members who had sacrificed their lives for freedom from landlords, and yet, 65 years later those whom they'd followed become their new landlords. Ironic isn't it?

我所认为的悲剧是因为利益纠纷死人而不是土地交易本身，这一点我们的看法不一样。
65年前的土地改革迅速稳定了国家局面，结束了几十年的战争。
社会总在发展，当时的政策已经不能适应新的需要，中国城市化进程需要更多的土地，对绝大多数人来说这是能分享到利益的。
I think the tragedy because of conflicting interests in the dead instead of land transaction itself, which we take the same view.

65 years ago the land reform quickly to stabilize the national situation, to end the decades of war.

Social total in the development, the policy can not adapt to the new needs,China's urbanization process need more land, for the vast majority of people this is can share interests.

 

[Keel]

I have cable. Chinese news medias from Tawain and Hong Kong are also covering this. I am watching it with a friend of mine. Sina news also reported this same things that is posted on here. No need to hide this. Don't sugar coat it. Students here are chatting online about this with their friend back home.

@BoQ77 is posting current correct news. How is this trolling?

Why should I intend to hide this? The news is well covered within China and overseas!

What the troll did was he initiated an isolated incidence and lumped together with other issues some of which are unrelated.

This is not the first and not be the last of his active trolling

These people, most has/had family members who had sacrificed their lives for freedom from landlords, and yet, 65 years later those whom they'd followed become their new landlords. Ironic isn't it

Like what you claim (above quoted ) about the rebirth of the feudal system on landownership and it still exists in China is BS.
During the 65 years in the making of a progressively modernized China from a vast swap of rural farmland, and in particular during the last decade you wont see this (above fatal conflict) happening everyday

Just a few villagers who are in big disagreement with the settlement terms offered by the local government does not present a good case for you to blame China's political system where overwhelming majority of people are being peacefully urbanized!

 

[Muzits]

有人的地方就有江湖，有利益的地方就有争端
嗯，如果这些事情能让本网站的越南会员很高兴，那就多发一些吧
Some places have lakes, where there is a dispute of interest

Well, if these things can make the site of Vietnamese member is very happy,then some more.

干嘛费时间跟这种低水平的脑残水军辩论，他们不仅24小时在这里发布各种好笑的东西来自慰，还喜欢假扮各个国家的人来给他们自己评论，简直就是一群被洗脑洗成智障的精神病啊。我无聊的时候就会来看他们耍戏，看看你自己都想笑！他们可喜欢这种新闻了，就像当年朝鲜专门去美国拍一堆乞丐，暴乱的照片回来忽悠他们国民说美国很穷很乱一样。干嘛跟一群未开化的猴子那么认真，他们就是个笑话啊，看一看笑一笑，然后无视他们就好了！

 

[j20]

I don't think this villagers share the same interest. That lady with the shield and pitchfork looks pretty upset to me. Isn't there a whole lot more uncultivated lands inland to expand and urbanize?

中国人均耕地很低，农村生产所得很低，只能进行城市化来提高国民的生活水平。
农村人都希望被拆迁征收，因为这样可以得到高数额的补偿或者得到更大更新颖漂亮的房子。
矛盾的主要产生在被征收土地或者房子的价格上，有可能是补偿的价格低，更多的是被征收者要价太高。
实际上中国的征地拆迁谈不拢的只有不到千分之一，这些人要么被强制购买要么修改施工方案，让他保持现状
China's per capita arable land is very low, the rural production income is very low, only the urbanization to improve people's living standard.

Rural people all want to be the demolition expropriation, because it can get highamount of compensation or get larger and more beautiful new house.

The principal contradiction of the expropriation of land or house prices, there may be a compensation of low prices, more is the levying the asking price is toohigh.


The fact that China's land expropriation to talk about not approach is only less than 1/1000, these people of the land or house or be forced to buy or modify theconstruction plan, let him keep the status quo

北京最牛钉子户
因为要价太高拒绝了开发商当时开出的条件，他家的问题被搁置，不再有人找他谈拆迁问题
于是他就过去求别人过来拆迁，记者去采访他的时候他说：“求求你们，过来拆我的房子吧。”八年后拆迁完成·············
这是比较典型的代表事件，不是不愿意被土地房子被征收而是要价太高，这是多数所谓拆迁纠纷事件的形态。
只要有房子土地被征收，在你们看来就是中国政府抢夺国民利益的独裁标志。
Beijing the most cattle nail

Because the price is too high to refuse the developer was out of condition, his home has been put on hold, no longer have to get him to talk about the demolition

He goes for others over the demolition, the reporter went to interview him when he said: "I beg you, come to remove my house." Eight years after the demolition of Kangen

This is the typical representative of events, not willing to be expropriated landhouse but the asking price is too high, this is most of the so-called demolitiondisputes form.

As long as there is a house of land expropriation, it appears to you that this isthe Chinese government to snatch the authoritarian indicator of national

干嘛费时间跟这种低水平的脑残水军辩论，他们不仅24小时在这里发布各种好笑的东西来自慰，还喜欢假扮各个国家的人来给他们自己评论，简直就是一群被洗脑洗成智障的精神病啊。我无聊的时候就会来看他们耍戏，看看你自己都想笑！他们可喜欢这种新闻了，就像当年朝鲜专门去美国拍一堆乞丐，暴乱的照片回来忽悠他们国民说美国很穷很乱一样。干嘛跟一群未开化的猴子那么认真，他们就是个笑话啊，看一看笑一笑，然后无视他们就好了！

无聊溜猴也好玩

 

[Muzits]

无聊溜猴也好玩

还是那句话，你如果真打算跟猴子认真的解释，那你就完了，因为他们已经被洗脑洗成精神病了，如果你去翻看一下他们之前发过的帖子，你自己都会笑，而且会觉得跟他们讲话很cheap，因为他们根本都还没到听得懂你解释的那个级别，估计他们高中都没毕业，拿着在线翻译拼命的跟你扯他的意淫呢

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Thank you for the explanation @j20.

Where do these villagers relocated to once their farm and homes are destroyed and urbanized? How are they compensated for their lost?

With money?

 

[xesy]

With money?

Problem is the people are unlikely to receive all the money they think their lands worth, or the paying method is unacceptable (for example the money is delivered monthly over the span of 10 years, and get delayed month after month). It's understandable, as we all know how govts (all type of government) work in general. Also the compensation price for the land is sometimes lower than the market price, so of course people are upset.

 

[j20]

Thank you for the explanation @j20.

Where do these villagers relocated to once their farm and homes are destroyed and urbanized? How are they compensated for their lost?

1现金补偿
2房子补偿
3现金+房子补偿
这要看双方的谈判结果
如果是繁华地段甚至能得到原来几倍的补偿（一套100平方米的房子换来三套以上100平米的新房子）
1 cash compensation

The 2 house compensation

3 cash + house compensation

This should see the negotiation results

If it is the downtown lots could even be several times the original compensation(a 100 square metre house for more than three sets of 100 square meters ofnew house)

 

[j20]

If this is true, why is there resistance!?

毛主席在哪裡!? 你看到了嗎!?

因为人的贪婪是无限的，总是会给自己争取最大化利益
毛主席？我支持现在的政府，但我不喜欢毛泽东
Because of human greed is unlimited, always seek to maximize their owninterests to

Chairman Mao? I support the current government, but I don't like Mao Zedong