60.2 % of Indians not satisfied with their Govt response to China

[siegecrossbow]

Polls are not good indicators of popular sentiment. Polls predicted landslide Hilary Clinton victory and we all saw what happened.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I don't know what you think you achieved on Feb 27. From India's perspective India redefined it's response and Pak was caught napping on Feb 26. Yes, Pak shot down an Indian jet and captured Abhinandan on 27th during a counter attack. The only thing India ought to be ashamed of is shooting down its own chopper. Defence Minister should have resigned. If a Pak fighter had chased Indian jets back into India and been captured, I am sure Pak too would have considered him a hero.

What is worrying is the diminution of Pakistan in the eyes of its own fanboys.

From wresting 1/3 of Kashmir from us, to slamming the door to Lahore in our faces after laying a red carpet to it themselves, to jumping into a well six years later, to capturing some peak-tops and getting thrown out and counting that as a victory, to finally swaggering about over the capture (and despicable assaulting of) an Indian pilot, their aspirations and expectations have been shrinking like a Madras Bleeding lungi.

Anyways, coming to China - if India really wants to increase the tempo, it can recognise Republic of China (Taiwan) and establish diplomatic relations. Militarily, the Chinese can push inwards into India with relative ease compared to India. @Joe Shearer can shed more light. But I think this has more to do with Chinese internal politics I think. Someone wanted to prove a point somewhere.

No, China cannot push inwards into India with any ease at all.

Yes, you are probably precisely right to smell a rat; this incident has nothing to do with India-China relations it has everything to do with Xi facing unexpected heat. Like Modi, he killed his own people to divert attention from his own incompetence.

 

[crankthatskunk]

This might shock and surprise you, but I am not Modi or in his Council of Ministers. I can only tell you what the general population feels. If he doesn't respond in proportion, he will find it tough in the next election. That's generally how democratic nations function.

Well, for your information, no comments of mine are directed to an individual. They are on the topic discussed, you may be the addressee but that's where it ends.

Pls do tell how the general population feels.
You have to understand for us people in the wide world, making out the Indians and their point of view is very difficult.
It becomes even more difficult if we only read or hear bravado, which we know is not correct or accurate.

 

[Jackdaws]

What is worrying is the diminution of Pakistan in the eyes of its own fanboys.

From wresting 1/3 of Kashmir from us, to slamming the door to Lahore in our faces after laying a red carpet to it themselves, to jumping into a well six years later, to capturing some peak-tops and getting thrown out and counting that as a victory, to finally swaggering about over the capture (and despicable assaulting of) an Indian pilot, their aspirations and expectations have been shrinking like a Madras Bleeding lungi.



No, China cannot push inwards into India with any ease at all.

Yes, you are probably precisely right to smell a rat; this incident has nothing to do with India-China relations it has everything to do with Xi facing unexpected heat. Like Modi, he killed his own people to divert attention from his own incompetence.

For Modi, chickens are coming home to roost. I just wish it had happened without loss of Indian blood.

Well, for your information, no comments of mine are directed to an individual. They are on the topic discussed, you may be the addressee but that's where it ends.

Pls do tell how the general population feels.
You have to understand for us people in the wide world, making out the Indians and their point of view is very difficult.
It becomes even more difficult if we only read or hear bravado, which we know is not correct or accurate.

Modi has his legion of followers. They will stay loyal.

Indians believe that China intruded. Generally a Colonel doesn't go on the frontlines. Undoubtedly it was some kind of trap. Indians in general are not anti Chinese - 62 is a distant memory. People have been lapping up numerous Chinese brands like OnePlus and Chinese firms have invested in Indian unicorns. So honestly, it has taken us by surprise. Sure there are border issues and 100,000 Chinese refugees live here. But we've been comfortable with that since 1960s.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry knows that China is at the forefront of human right abuses in Tibet, Xinjiang and they happily rolled tanks over their own citizens in 1989 in Beijing. They also censor and suppress news.

From Indian perspective, some General somewhere was smarting under Dokhlam pullback of China and wanted to even the scores. Things got out of hand. And now neither side can afford to be seen as backing off.

 

[halupridol]

No, China cannot push inwards into India with any ease at all.

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The internal dynamics of China don't matter.
What matters is the fact that they did push inwards into India and are still there,,,,n they did that, contrary to what u said,,, pretty easily i. e. Without firing a bullet.
Now do u think we have the capability to atleast push thm back and handle the consequences?
Mind u all this is happening in JnK, the most militarized n apparently the most war ready region of India.
If not,, thn this is a colossal policy failure and disaster at many levels.

 

[Pakistani E]

What are Indians even expecting Modi or Indian Army to do? Sabre rattling only works if both sides are doing so as a show of saving face, but current Chinese moves don't look like mere sabre rattling. My question to Indians who say Modi must do more, what are you expecting/wanting short of a war?

 

[halupridol]

What are Indians even expecting Modi or Indian Army to do? Sabre rattling only works if both sides are doing so as a show of saving face, but current Chinese moves don't look like mere sabre rattling. My question to Indians who say Modi must do more, what are you expecting/wanting?

First Kinetic action to make them realise tht thr r consequences and push thm back.
No more one china policy. Relationship and close cooperation with Taiwan, hongkong, japan,SEA nations.Defence n nuclear tech cooperation with willing nations like Vietnam.
Align with USA and set up military base in mongolia for closeness with there population centers.
N of course close scrutiny on trade and investment.
Just my wishlist.

 

[HalfMoon]

First Kinetic action to make them realise tht thr r consequences and push thm back.
No more one china policy. Relationship and close cooperation with Taiwan, hongkong, japan,SEA nations.Defence n nuclear tech cooperation with willing nations like Vietnam.
Align with USA and set up military base in mongolia for closeness with there population centers.
Just my wishlist.

India does not have the capability and capacity to confront China. Any actions like supporting Taiwan, Hong Kong or Tibet etc will result in more wrath from China and more loss of Indian land to China.

 

[halupridol]

India does not have the capability and capacity to confront China. Any actions like supporting Taiwan, Hong Kong or Tibet etc will result in more wrath from China and more loss of Indian land to China.

Ok bhayya

 

[Pakistani E]

First Kinetic action to make them realise tht thr r consequences and push thm back.
No more one china policy. Relationship and close cooperation with Taiwan, hongkong, japan,SEA nations.Defence n nuclear tech cooperation with willing nations like Vietnam.
Align with USA and set up military base in mongolia for closeness with there population centers.
Just my wishlist.

Thanks. I am not looking to argue with you but my thoughts are; Kinetic action has the potential to escalate further then it has currently if the Chinese leadership are happy to indulge India. What happens when it escalates? Are Indians ready for a war with China?

Your second and third options are likely to cause China to take an even more confrontational approach in Jammu and Kashmir etc as well as expanding their footprint in the Arabian/Indian Ocean to threaten India's trade routes. Remember, If India can encircle China, then the Chinese are pretty capable of doing the same, and have plenty of willing partners in the region to do so. Thanks once again to Modi's brilliant foreign policy.

The way I see it, Modi has backed himself in to a tight spot through his antics and his failed foreign policy. What remains to be seen is how much he is willing to push back against China to save face.

 

[scorpionx]

Modi sahab was enjoying his ride on his tiger, created by himself; the bhakts, media. And now, the tiger has turned itself to its own rider. Modi's one of many many blunders is politicizing the Armed forces, his never ending greed to show himself as a strong muscled leader, stepping into a zone where he never should have.

His job was plain and simple; to be an Indira Gandhi of '71 or a Bajpayee of '99 i.e. to prepare the ground for justification of India's military act, to absorb the international pressure and managing bilateral relationship tactfully. He has no idea about military tactics and strategy. He is not Bismark, certainly not even close to Churchill to dictate the armed forces how and when to act. But Modi, instead of doing his own job entered into a wrong room. How much more stupid one politician may sound when he boasts he knew better than his airforce commanders!!

He did not put leashes on his media dogs. These dogs for the last six years created a Shaktiman image of Modi. This strategy worked before 2014 in domestic politics but Modi's grandest mistake is to assume that this strategy is going to work in International affairs. 60% Indians are not happy only and only because Modi raised the bar of expectations too high for him to cross.

 

[Jackdaws]

What are Indians even expecting Modi or Indian Army to do? Sabre rattling only works if both sides are doing so as a show of saving face, but current Chinese moves don't look like mere sabre rattling. My question to Indians who say Modi must do more, what are you expecting/wanting short of a war?

Think about it - if China wanted to mobilize their nationals, they would not be putting this news on internal pages of their own newspapers. If anything, China has been downplaying this a lot. They haven't officially announced their losses. China and Xi are besieged because of Coronavirus. Why would Xi take this moment to get more censure from the RoW?

Some powers in China want to make Xi look bad. It's not as if in China, Xi has a Rahul Gandhi who can mock Modi openly. For the record, Rahul Gandhi has done what Modi would if the tables had turned. And no amount of Arnab shouting "Antonia Maino" is going to change that.

 

[Pakistani E]

Think about it - if China wanted to mobilize their nationals, they would not be putting this news on internal pages of their own newspapers. If anything, China has been downplaying this a lot. They haven't officially announced their losses. China and Xi are besieged because of Coronavirus. Why would Xi take this moment to get more censure from the RoW?

Some powers in China want to make Xi look bad. It's not as if in China, Xi has a Rahul Gandhi who can mock Modi openly. For the record, Rahul Gandhi has done what Modi would if the tables had turned. And no amount of Arnab shouting "Antonia Maino" is going to change that.

Both sides do seem to be calling for calm, however, with news such as this:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53174887

I don't see how Modi can get away with it if the above polls are to be believed. In such a case, do you believe Modi has any options that he can take against China? Or is he just going to use his spinster machine to spin this in to a victory or divert the masses' attention?

 

[lonelyman]

I don't know what you think you achieved on Feb 27. From India's perspective India redefined it's response and Pak was caught napping on Feb 26. Yes, Pak shot down an Indian jet and captured Abhinandan on 27th during a counter attack. The only thing India ought to be ashamed of is shooting down its own chopper. Defence Minister should have resigned. If a Pak fighter had chased Indian jets back into India and been captured, I am sure Pak too would have considered him a hero.

Anyways, coming to China - if India really wants to increase the tempo, it can recognise Republic of China (Taiwan) and establish diplomatic relations. Militarily, the Chinese can push inwards into India with relative ease compared to India. @Joe Shearer can shed more light. But I think this has more to do with Chinese internal politics I think. Someone wanted to prove a point somewhere.

recognize Taiwan? seriously dude, you are as delusional as godi media bkhrats though you self claim not a modi fan

the day you do that, India will be broken into pieces

 

[Jackdaws]

Both sides do seem to be calling for calm, however, with news such as this:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53174887

I don't see how Modi can get away with it if the above polls are to be believed. In such a case, do you believe Modi has any options that he can take against China? Or is he just going to use his spinster machine to spin this in to a victory or divert the masses' attention?

Modi has 2 trustworthy punching bags who always deliver the desired results for him. 1. Nehru 2. Pakistan. Come election time, they will once again be used. How many times can a child be fooled by the same lollipop is the question. With bhakts, their stupidity knows no bounds. And with no credible opposition, he will win again. It's tragic.