27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[khanasifm]

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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2437838482979085

 

[loanranger]

The ammunition depo spared by PAF.

 

[Windjammer]

View attachment 584718 The ammunition depo spared by PAF.

Waiting for post strike images as reportedly the ammo depot structure collapsed from violent explosions and shock waves.

 

[loanranger]

Waiting for post strike images as reportedly the ammo depot structure collapsed from violent explosions and shock waves.

I can't wait

 

[SIPRA]

Waiting for post strike images as reportedly the ammo depot structure collapsed from violent explosions and shock waves.

I think the news was that ammunition stacked inside depot fell. The structure itself didn't collapse.

 

[Windjammer]

I think the news was that ammunition stacked inside depot fell. The structure itself didn't collapse.

Tons of ammo doesn't shift without structure falling.

 

[CheckmatePrahar223]

Except for the fools bit, we have a pretty similar opinion of your tactics.


I doubt it.

agree

we down their three jets in kagil war. with out even flying a jet..there will be no surprise..

Let me tell how how it is :
1. MIG 27 : The engine flamed out due to firing at a very high altitude . Flt Lt Nachiketa had no option but to bail out and was captured by Pakistani army.
2. MIG 21 : Sq Ldr Ajay Ahuja was searching for the downed pilot and decreased his speed and reduced his height which put his aircraft in danger and his aircraft was then shot by stinger missiles. He was cowardly shot after bailing out.
3. MI 17 : A 4 formation of MI 17 armed helicopters did an attack on the Tiger hill and dropped bombs and rockets. In return , they were fired upon by stinger missiles, one of the MI 17 didnot have chaff flares and thus couldnot evade the missile and was shot down.

The next level of bombing was done accurately by IAF MIRAGE 2000 which destroyed 70 Pakistani tents on the attack on 'Muntho Dhalo' killing at least 200-300 NLI soldiers. More attacks followed with accurate bombings.

There was no challenge from PAF throughout the Kargil war as PAF lacked a BVR (beyond visual range) missile at that point of time. One more than one occasion , IAF MIG 29s got lock on the PAF F16s and F16s had to disengage. This may also be attributed to the fact that both air forces may not have wanted further escalation of the war.

 

[mshan44]

i think this is new video did not seen it before here
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[ziaulislam]

agree


Let me tell how how it is :
1. MIG 27 : The engine flamed out due to firing at a very high altitude . Flt Lt Nachiketa had no option but to bail out and was captured by Pakistani army.
2. MIG 21 : Sq Ldr Ajay Ahuja was searching for the downed pilot and decreased his speed and reduced his height which put his aircraft in danger and his aircraft was then shot by stinger missiles. He was cowardly shot after bailing out.
3. MI 17 : A 4 formation of MI 17 armed helicopters did an attack on the Tiger hill and dropped bombs and rockets. In return , they were fired upon by stinger missiles, one of the MI 17 didnot have chaff flares and thus couldnot evade the missile and was shot down.

The next level of bombing was done accurately by IAF MIRAGE 2000 which destroyed 70 Pakistani tents on the attack on 'Muntho Dhalo' killing at least 200-300 NLI soldiers. More attacks followed with accurate bombings.

There was no challenge from PAF throughout the Kargil war as PAF lacked a BVR (beyond visual range) missile at that point of time. One more than one occasion , IAF MIG 29s got lock on the PAF F16s and F16s had to disengage. This may also be attributed to the fact that both air forces may not have wanted further escalation of the war.

seems fair win even if this narrative is accepted
IAF didnt had balls to hit pakistan or respond to it

 

[loanranger]

There was no challenge from PAF throughout the Kargil war as PAF lacked a BVR (beyond visual range) missile at that point of time.

Do you have any idea what would have happened if PAF had bvrs?
We would have stayed well within our borders and created several Abhinandans.
When you make movies on kargil next time atleast remember your pilots knew there would be no PAF to kill them.
It must be a heavenly feeling knowing PAF is not comming.

 

[Jackdaws]

Do you have any idea what would have happened if PAF had bvrs?
We would have stayed well within our borders and created several Abhinandans.
When you make movies on kargil next time atleast remember your pilots knew there would be no PAF to kill them.
It must be a heavenly feeling knowing PAF is not comming.

No one stopped them from coming. It's like saying - the Allied Forces had a heavenly feeling knowing the Luftwaffe wasn't going to defend German captured areas in Europe.

The reason your PAF could not be engaged in that your own Army and Govt did not bother telling the PAF about Kargil and when Kargil came to light Pakistan said they were "Mujahideen". If PAF came into play, it would be acknowledging that they are Pak Army, not Mujahideen.

 

[Bossman]

agree


Let me tell how how it is :
1. MIG 27 : The engine flamed out due to firing at a very high altitude . Flt Lt Nachiketa had no option but to bail out and was captured by Pakistani army.
2. MIG 21 : Sq Ldr Ajay Ahuja was searching for the downed pilot and decreased his speed and reduced his height which put his aircraft in danger and his aircraft was then shot by stinger missiles. He was cowardly shot after bailing out.
3. MI 17 : A 4 formation of MI 17 armed helicopters did an attack on the Tiger hill and dropped bombs and rockets. In return , they were fired upon by stinger missiles, one of the MI 17 didnot have chaff flares and thus couldnot evade the missile and was shot down.

The next level of bombing was done accurately by IAF MIRAGE 2000 which destroyed 70 Pakistani tents on the attack on 'Muntho Dhalo' killing at least 200-300 NLI soldiers. More attacks followed with accurate bombings.

There was no challenge from PAF throughout the Kargil war as PAF lacked a BVR (beyond visual range) missile at that point of time. One more than one occasion , IAF MIG 29s got lock on the PAF F16s and F16s had to disengage. This may also be attributed to the fact that both air forces may not have wanted further escalation of the war.

Is there a permanent department in IAF whose role is nothing but to come up with excuses? There is a separate thread on the history of IAF jets shot down by or surrendered to PAF since the 50s. In every case, IAF had an excuse similar to what you are stating here. It was an oxygen problem with the Canberra or bad navigation with Ouragan or running out of fuel with the Gnat, or the flameout or smoke ingestion in Kargil. BTW the excuse about the flameout is so lame, that a kid can pick it up. The service ceiling of MiG 27 is 47,000 feet. The highest point in Kargil is around 16,000 feet, let say the plane was flying over 10,000 feet above the higest point to avoid the manpads it would still be below its service ceiling. Even the excuses IAF come up with are not credible.

You forgot to mention the Canberra in Kargil, which had to crash land after being hit by a SAM.

Couple of other things, Kargil was not a war but a border incident. There was no reason for PAF to be involved. Secondly, India was bombing its own territory. One time they crossed the border they lost two planes.

 

[ARMalik]

PAF's performance on Feb 27 was no doubt outstanding. However, the dangers have increased for Pakistan specially in the Naval arena due to which PAF needs long range, deep strike Fighter Jets. Mirages are there but not enough. PAF needs J-16 or J-15 type jets urgently from China.

This will enable PAF strike anywhere in the region and virtually strike any Indian Naval vessel on Western Indian shores, and Middle East. Such long range jets will also take care of another emerging enemy called Isra..el.

 

[The Accountant]

PAF's performance on Feb 27 was no doubt outstanding. However, the dangers have increased for Pakistan specially in the Naval arena due to which PAF needs long range, deep strike Fighter Jets. Mirages are there but not enough. PAF needs J-16 or J-15 type jets urgently from China.

This will enable PAF strike anywhere in the region and virtually strike any Indian Naval vessel on Western Indian shores, and Middle East. Such long range jets will also take care of another emerging enemy called Isra..el.

Why will we risk sending our jets deep into enemy territory in tge era of cruise misiles ?

The heavy assets are required as they can take more missiles per sortie ...

I think we should consider linking missiles at awacs and survillance aircrafts such as orions with fighter aircrafts as it will serve as force multiplyer ... we can attack much higher no of ships with much less no of fighters ...

 

[loanranger]

If PAF came into play, it would be acknowledging that they are Pak Army, not Mujahideen.

What logic. PAF would have explained targeting Indian jets by saying they are bombing our territory. Question of who PAF is protecting does not even arise.
The point is Pakistan always fought India outnumbered, outgunned and without any support and should not have been able to acheive what it managed. Yet it did. This is of a source of deep trouble to Indian officers. Imagine if Pakistan had Indias resources and size. It would be overkill.