1m African migrants may be en route to Europe, says former UK envoy

[HannibalBarca]

Who did the attacks in Nice and Paris? The very same people that did that in Tunis as well. They arent Italian or French.

You are very stupid... they were born in France or Belgium ..raised in those Countries and Died there... stupid as ever... Check bf speaking...
ps: and Among them they were converts...

They may have dual nationalities..but in the End they were raised in France..in French schools...

 

[Jungibaaz]

Italy is a country with whom we have a positive relation with we can co-operate in textile and defence sector
https://www.samaa.tv/economy/2016/1...to-enhance-bilateral-trade-to-us-1-5-billion/

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1257711/understanding-pakistan-italy-textile-groups-ramp-cooperation/

http://www.pakalumni.com/profiles/blog/show?id=1119293:BlogPost:65625&commentId=1119293:Comment:90143

I actually like Italy for a whole host of reasons and I've had Italian a few colleagues who I've gotten along with. It's this guy and his rhetoric that I'm responding to.

 

[Zibago]

Who did the attacks in Nice and Paris? The very same people that did that in Tunis as well. They arent Italian or French.

Which country were they from,where were they raised in and which country are you blaming?

 

[HannibalBarca]

Its your people, not ours. I dont see any responsibility to help non europeans. If we would be in trouble, no one would help us. Thats a fact.

EU is helping you with Billions...

 

[HannibalBarca]

A mouse born in a horse staple is a mouse and not a horse.

And? accept it you got youself wrecked by your blinded ignorance...

 

[Attila the Hun]

It's a figure of speech

I must say, never heard that expression before. I have heard Barbarians at the Gates of Rome though.
As for Nationalists , you cannot blame them for not wanting hordes of foreigners on their lands, that don't even try to integrate.
We have Nationalists in Turkey that feel the same way about Syrians, Iraqis etc coming to our cities. As you have Pakistanis not wanting Afghans in their country.

 

[Zibago]

A mouse born in a horse staple is a mouse and not a horse.

Nope French national no matter what origin is a French problem they should own it and address the radicalization in their country of French nationals of Muslim faith

 

[vostok]

And you're right to say that the goal is reform and not destruction, I grant you this. But reform means pain in the short term and partial destruction which will take not years, but decades to recover from. Eventual reform may eventually be possible, but... here I'll turn your own point back on you... you know, other scenarios are possible. Disintegration could be followed by more barriers, political disharmony and even war. Who knows how that will go.

Incidentally, this is exactly the point anti-brexit campaigners use to criticise Brexit, they want to cause short term pain, in the cause of a future that is still uncertain and that may turn out to be even worse than what we had before.

How about the fact that if the current course continues, in some EU country civil conflicts will begin, and we will no longer be talking about the reform of the EU but about its complete desintegration?

To get EU into Africa you will need around 550-600 Mil africans in EU... ( meaning a little more than the half)

So good luck with that... You will need to Get HALF of ALL africa in EU.
So at this rate, even if you get 1Million PER YEAR jumping in EU you will need 550-600 years to do so... Keep waiting.

In France, already about 10% are not French. 10-15 million more and irreversible changes will begin. It is not that much numbers - one more generation of liberal marasmus.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Its your people, not ours. I dont see any responsibility to help non europeans. If we would be in trouble, no one would help us. Thats a fact.

How is someone from sub-Saharan Africa one of our people but not yours? Are we all of the muddy variety?
Also like I said already, don't be too keen to identify yourself amongst all Europeans, not everyone is that fond of you.

 

[HannibalBarca]

In France, already about 10% are not French. 10-15 million more and irreversible changes will begin.

By Pew research even at the End of the Century France will only gain few Millions only...
And French do not have 10-15 muslims..most optimistic numbers are around 6-7Mil...

So Fantasies numbers should stay fantasies...

Nope, because you dont understand it. Those who did it are your people. They were not french or belgian. They were never part of french society. Stayed always in their north african habitat. Their is zero assimilation. If you denie that, you denie reality.

And i dont want this. I dont want it in my home. And thats why i´m glad, that Italy goes a far harder approach than France did in the past. We show clearly that they are unwanted and so far it worked good. We deport even those born here. Most of the islamists we deport are tunisian btw.

Few of them didn't have parents either... so raised by Belgium state...
As for the Frenchies... Born in France/ Speak French/Educated in France ( even 1 was into Catholic school ) + FEw are CONVERTS and they Worked in France.. Few married and they Died in France...

in Conclusion They were either French or Belgians...

Accept it or not... I don't really care.. but Facts are

It's like condemning Italy for a crime that an American citizens with Italian descent as done in America... OH yeah remember AL CAPONE!! Maybe Italy & Italians was blamed bc of him who knows

 

[Jungibaaz]

I must say, never heard that expression before. I have heard Barbarians at the Gates of Rome though.
As for Nationalists , you cannot blame them for not wanting hordes of foreigners on their lands, that don't even try to integrate.
We have Nationalists in Turkey that feel the same way about Syrians, Iraqis etc coming to our cities. As you have Pakistanis not wanting Afghans in their country.

I understand that nationalists are everywhere, the difference here is, nationalists in Europe are soon going to use the refugee crisis and migration for disintegrating the European Union, happily bringing ruin upon their own countries. And holding countries like Pakistan to the same standard as developed nations makes no sense, apart from the fact that both Europe and Pakistan have nationalists and probably people who dislike foreigners.

 

[Zibago]

In France, already about 10% are not French. 10-15 million more and irreversible changes will begin. It is not that much numbers - one more generation of liberal marasmus.

French nationals are French

 

[HannibalBarca]

I understand that nationalists are everywhere, the difference here is, nationalists in Europe are soon going to use the refugee crisis and migration for disintegrating the European Union, happily bringing ruin upon their own countries. And holding countries like Pakistan to the same standard as developed nations makes no sense, apart from the fact that both Europe and Pakistan have nationalists and probably people who dislike foreigners.

TBH if EU disintegrate... it will make every foreign country Happy... No more closed market And everyone of the EU countries will sell their Blueprints/minds to the higher bidder to stay alive among their neighboors... Divide to conquer...

Life is a b*tch sometimes... GEt wrecked by your own tactics... afterall MENA are great at learning from their Teachers

 

[Jungibaaz]

A mouse born in a horse staple is a mouse and not a horse.

Give it enough times and a mouse can become pretty much anything history allows it to become.
Do you know how much of the English language we speak on this forum is native to England? It actually derived from Germanic languages. The Angles and the Saxons settled in England, and from them came Anglo-Saxon, or Old English, which in ways is even more similar to German than it is to modern day English.

Point is your definition of a mouse and horse won't ever stand the test of time. I'm pretty sure some 5th century Celtic Britons in England were calling any Anglo Saxon settler a mouse than can never be a horse.

 

[vostok]

By Pew research even at the End of the Century France will only gain few Millions only...
And French do not have 10-15 muslims..most optimistic numbers are around 6-7Mil...

So Fantasies numbers should stay fantasies...

The population of France is 66 million. About 10% are not French, as I said. If another 10-15 million arrives in France, then it will be 15-20 million. One generation is approximately 25 years. That is - half a million migrants a year. These are not so Fantasies numbers. Especially if some liberal idiot wins, opens the gate widely. Over time, in some regions, the French will become a minority and, of course, migrants will begin to establish their laws where they will be the majority. And it will be done according to the democratic principles. Over time, there will be more and more such territories. And in one day these territories will unite and require some form of autonomy. And - voila, France is broken!