1m African migrants may be en route to Europe, says former UK envoy

[Republiek_van_Piesang]

I stopped reading when some of the posters in here insinuates that Blacks are "savages and uncapable of complex thinking"

If I read some of the comments I seriously can´t belive how f*cked up most of you are... sinking boats at sea... are u nuts? Innocent people seeking the chance for a better life and some of you want to murder them just because they run away war and hunger?

Refugees are the bill we have to pay as long as we allow western companys to plunder africa (btw China is trying hard to pass europeans to plunder africa) ... example west coast africa... since hundrets of years the fishermen had a hard simple life but had no need to worry about feeding their family and give them shelter... since several years the spanish finishing armada roob the sea at the african west cost fishing several billion $ partly illegal at the african cost... the fishermen have empty nets no fish no earning no moeny for the family...what should they do? only Chance moving north were they have a chance to earn money... first world (not only EU but USA Canada China too) selfmade problems... as long as we roob africans resources from which the native african could perfectly life we dont need to wonder about million refugees... we need to stop international companys to roob african resources befor we could change there anything

The most important change must comes from the Africans in their respective countries. Most of the modern states in Sub-Saharan Africa is a hopscotch of different tribes and ethnicities formed together by a penscratch, in some cases without any significant shared value and cultural exchange prior to colonialism (West/East Congo, North/South Nigeria, North/South CAR, etc). The transformation from a tribe/linguistic based society into a national-civic minded society has not move smothly at best and devolve into some genocidal civil war at worst. That's why a "strongman" and an "authoritarian" government is the modus operandi in here; you need to be "strong" and above of your opposition so that they cannot challenge you. Unless they chould change this, no matter how Europe and China keeps parroting about "Evil Chinese economy colonialism/Treacherous European neo-colonialism", it simply won't change. We need a big catalyst to do that and I'm afraid a lot (probably a lot of dead bodies as well) are still needed to do that, probably our grandchildren's generation would pull it off, but then again I don't know if humanity would still persists in this world.

As a South African, I've witnessed this twice in my life where a competent leader was passed off simply because a) not Black and b) not Zulu. And this is in South Africa, where we were supposed to be the most civilised and open-minded by those Africans from the other countries (newsflash; we're not, apartheid and tribalism has done its toll ).

Before someone hounds me as either "an uncivilised black man" or a "racist African-oppresing white man", I'm neither so please stop the kak.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Using pizza to describe Italian cuisine is such a tragic mischaracterisation, that's one part of Italy everyone in Britain should be envious of. But you're right, if we start discussing race is in a petty way, inevitably this will be the standard of debate.

You have to eat the pizza with your hands, tell the queen of Ingiltra to eat the Pizza with hand. The Sub sahara people are coming to get a slice of my pizza

I just wana let you know this pizza is made with real Italian Tomatoes and I grew them locally in my garden just like mama always use to do that

 

[Jungibaaz]

It will not be superfluous to remind that the European countries were great even before the emergence of the European Union. And if some Western European country leaves the European Union, this country will not automatically become poor or insignificant. At the same time, if in France 30% or 40% (maybe 15% or 50%) of the population will be migrants - France will automatically turn into Africa.

First of all, I didn't say that the European Union is at all essential to the prosperity of the Europe, it's not. Had the EU have not come about and no war had taken place since WWII, the situation might be almost the same in terms of Europe's prosperity. However, disunion now would be disastrous.

At least in the short term, Europe would see at least a lost decade or two of playing catch up with the world. Germany and the Netherlands would see mass unemployment and deflation. France and others would see stagflation.

Southern Europe during the transition period of reinstating national currencies will mostly go bankrupt very, very fast. This is due to the devaluation that will occur with their currencies, and they'll suffer inflation too. People will pull all their assets from Southern Europe while they can still liquidate in the short-lived Euro and pile their cash in Germany, the Southern European banks and economies would collapse.

Germany will see people flooding their banks, their markets and their economy with tons of money, which sounds good but it's disastrous because of the appreciating new deutsche mark, asset inflation which will also mean Germany's homelessness rate will sky rocket. And because of their strong currency, and the destruction of Southern Europe, Germany being an export driven economy will see significant damage to industry, deflation and high unemployment.

Next comes the political forces, with the continent divided, with deflation and inflation along with mass unemployment, if I was a betting man, I'd bet on the breakout of a major war within a few years on the continent in that political climate.

So you see, this is my point on the EU, not that it's always been necessary for prosperity, or will be 50 years after collapse, that would be an absurd notion. And the idea that African immigrants will turn Europe into Africa is silly and not worth a response.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Economy:

Someone Makes stuff , Someone buys stuff , someone mines raw material, Someone does farming

• If the makers makes stuff too expensive , and buyers have civil war obviously the good will remain unsold
  
• No product being sold , no need to mine raw material
• Also no trade so people can't buy fruit and vegetables too

People in poor region will migrate to areas with more food and shelter
Every one loses and that is whats going to Happen

So if someone wants to make 0% sale , and folks want to go to UK to collect $$$ for being member obviously that is why UK decided to part ways

Iraq
Libya
Syria

No one is buying new cars !!! (No Ferari , BMW, Audi , VW , Fiat etc ... nothing )
No one is buying European chocolates (You know those expensive Belgian/french chocolates)
No one is buying any clothes from europe (French clothese very expensive now....)
No one is going to greece to spend holiday from Iraq / Libya / Syria, now Greece economy starts to tank

They can't afford it ... a simple reason ... their economies tanked so they can't buy stuff from their European country friends

So countries that did any trade have suffered

There is loss of revenue from Wars in Libya/Syria/Iraq , indirect consequences. And now we have refugee crisis from Middle east and Sub Sahara people to compound the problem

 

[Attila the Hun]

then you must recognise that the barbarians from within are the ones you're mistaking for the barbarians at the gates of Vienna.

Of course, Ottomans were Barbarians. but Pakistanis, Afghanis. Iraqis are cultured people coming to enrich European society lol.
The Greeks are desperate to kick out you Pakistanis to Turkey.
Who are you trying to fool here, apart from yourself.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Of course, Ottomans were Barbarians. but Pakistanis, Afghanis. Iraqis are cultured people coming to enrich European society lol.
The Greeks are desperate to kick out you Pakistanis to Turkey.
Who are you trying to fool here, apart from yourself.

Actually most folks can't relate to Barbarian at door of vienna comment we are not familiar with with it means as Europeans tend to call each other barbarian all the time.

The doors of Vienna have been visited by many rulers and kings and jesters , and it is highly unlikely for us to know which rule/kingdom the origional poster may have refered towards

Rest assured Pakistan is 100% barbarian

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We civilized the UK. I´m proud what we achieved there. But we live now in the 21st century.

Africans are unable to make any contribution for Europe or Italy at all. Thats the basic fact. They are a waste of effort. It is better to fight them off now or we become the very shithole they come from.

We have a saying:

"Wherever africans are, there is africa."

Or as Latour said: "If you take half of Kalkutta, you dont save Kalkutta, you become Kalkutta.

Europe isnt USA. America was unsettled land. Europe is thousands of years of history. An african can never and will never be accepted as italian. It begins with that he looks different and people avoid contact. Its always the "black one".

We have black soccer players who have italian fathers and get banana thrown at them.

If someone like Balotelli gets crushed in Italy, you think some subsaharan tomato plucker gets renomee?

Well if you feel you will not benefit from Trade ties to Africa as whole you can certainly announce it publically that Italy will not import or export anything from Africa

People getting married instead of "DIMOND" exported from Africa can instead use a stone from Italian mountain

Dimond goes out of window from Africa , not contributing to European life style

Pick a high quality stone from your Italian mountain not sure if the ladies will like this trade offer

Say good bye to the coffee too

The list of countries that export Coffee to Europe

I like to mention these are all subsahara countries apart from 1-2 that may be due to error I included into the list

Ethiopia
Uganda
Ivory Coast
Kenya
Papua New Guinea
Tanzania
Cameroon
Madagascar
Gabon
Dominican Republic
Haiti
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Rwanda
Burundi
Togo
Guinea
Central African Republic
Nigeria
Ghana
Sierra Leone
Angola
Malawi
Trinidad and Tobago
Zimbabwe
Liberia
Zambia

 

[Attila the Hun]

The doors of Vienna have been visited by many rulers and kings and jesters

No, he clearly meant Ottomans. Little does he know, a lot of Europeans live in Barbarian Ottoman Empire. lol

 

[Aryzin]

I have little problems with african slave mines. I also like the Coltan mines. Diamonds are worthless. Coltan is what matters.

I have nothing against africa. A wonderful continent. Wonderful nature. But the natives are a problem.

Those damned immigrants are destroying Italy, they attack people and committed horrible crimes. Italian government too soft on them. They are destroying towns and Italians are afraid to live in their own towns.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Of course, Ottomans were Barbarians. but Pakistanis, Afghanis. Iraqis are cultured people coming to enrich European society lol.
The Greeks are desperate to kick out you Pakistanis to Turkey.
Who are you trying to fool here, apart from yourself.

It's a figure of speech, I was being sarcastic and equating all middle easterners to the people at seige of Vienna, which is actually what a lot of idiot far right people in Europe equate today's migration crisis to.

So please calm down, this has nothing to do with turks, arabs, pakistanis, afghans or martians.

 

[vostok]

First of all, I didn't say that the European Union is at all essential to the prosperity of the Europe, it's not. Had the EU have not come about and no war had taken place since WWII, the situation might be almost the same in terms of Europe's prosperity. However, disunion now would be disastrous.

At least in the short term, Europe would see at least a lost decade or two of playing catch up with the world. Germany and the Netherlands would see mass unemployment and deflation. France and others would see stagflation.

Southern Europe during the transition period of reinstating national currencies will mostly go bankrupt very, very fast. This is due to the devaluation that will occur with their currencies, and they'll suffer inflation too. People will pull all their assets from Southern Europe while they can still liquidate in the short-lived Euro and pile their cash in Germany, the Southern European banks and economies would collapse.

Germany will see people flooding their banks, their markets and their economy with tons of money, which sounds good but it's disastrous because of the appreciating new deutsche mark, asset inflation which will also mean Germany's homelessness rate will sky rocket. And because of their strong currency, and the destruction of Southern Europe, Germany being an export driven economy will see significant damage to industry, deflation and high unemployment.

Next comes the political forces, with the continent divided, with deflation and inflation along with mass unemployment, if I was a betting man, I'd bet on the breakout of a major war within a few years on the continent in that political climate.

So you see, this is my point on the EU, not that it's always been necessary for prosperity, or will be 50 years after collapse, that would be an absurd notion. And the idea that African immigrants will turn Europe into Africa is silly and not worth a response.

You know, other scenarios are possible. Europe can preserve the custom union, but return some sovereignty to states - this is the goal of the patriotic forces. Not the destruction of Europe, but its reform. And these are legitimate demands.
Africans will turn Europe into Africa if their share of the population exceeds a certain figure - this is absolutely logical.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I have little problems with african slave mines. I also like the Coltan mines. Diamonds are worthless. Coltan is what matters.

I have nothing against africa. A wonderful continent. Wonderful nature. But the natives are a problem.

What if I told you the African countries have decided to increase the cost of Coffee or Diamond by $100-$300
just so that that can use that extra money to invest in their own hospitals or schools or may be Church.

• We are looking at cost of Coffee in italy about $77/ cup , would you be ok with that situation you know african countries have to balance their budget and they collectively have decided to raise the cost of Coffee
• If someone is sitting in French Cafe , they can pay $120/cup since they have nice view and scenery to enjoy a nice cup of coffee

I suppose it would be a fair thing to do they have something you like (Dimonds and Coffee etc )

May be then they won't come to migrate to Europe ? Seems like a good proposal

 

[Hold up]

Why does Europe have to bear the burden of sub-saharan african "refugees"( from what???) Doesn't make sense

 

[Jungibaaz]

We civilized the UK. I´m proud what we achieved there. But we live now in the 21st century.

Africans are unable to make any contribution for Europe or Italy at all. Thats the basic fact. They are a waste of effort. It is better to fight them off now or we become the very shithole they come from.

We have a saying:

"Wherever africans are, there is africa."

Or as Latour said: "If you take half of Kalkutta, you dont save Kalkutta, you become Kalkutta.

Europe isnt USA. America was unsettled land. Europe is thousands of years of history. An african can never and will never be accepted as italian. It begins with that he looks different and people avoid contact. Its always the "black one".

We have black soccer players who have italian fathers and get banana thrown at them.

If someone like Balotelli gets crushed in Italy, you think some subsaharan tomato plucker gets renomee?

So essentially you mean to say that Africans can't ever contribute, apart from Balotelli who you mentioned. But he doesn't count because Italians are too ignorant and hateful to accept them anyway?

Okay friend, whatever you say.

You know, other scenarios are possible. Europe can preserve the custom union, but return some sovereignty to states - this is the goal of the patriotic forces. Not the destruction of Europe, but its reform. And these are legitimate demands.
Africans will turn Europe into Africa if their share of the population exceeds a certain figure - this is absolutely logical.

Other possibilities are fanciful notions, or at the very least highly unlikely, as Brexiters have shown here. You should see one of the things we joke about now, Brexiters during campaigning claimed that we'd somehow manage to stay in the single market while being able to not have freedom of movement (meaning we want to trade, but no thanks on your offer for more European migrants), essentially wanting to have our cake and eat it too. Daniel Hannan, a lead Brexiter campaigner said, and I quote him verbatim, 'absolutely nobody is threatening our place in the single market', when he was confronted with the obvious question about Britain's economy vs the whims of anti-EU campaigners. He lied about it then, it was an obvious lie and absurdity, and now they never repeat this lie because the referendum is over and you may be able to bullshit people who buy in to anti-EU rhetoric, but you can't bullshit the British Parliament and EU negotiators.

And you're right to say that the goal is reform and not destruction, I grant you this. But reform means pain in the short term and partial destruction which will take not years, but decades to recover from. Eventual reform may eventually be possible, but... here I'll turn your own point back on you... you know, other scenarios are possible. Disintegration could be followed by more barriers, political disharmony and even war. Who knows how that will go.

Incidentally, this is exactly the point anti-brexit campaigners use to criticise Brexit, they want to cause short term pain, in the cause of a future that is still uncertain and that may turn out to be even worse than what we had before.

 

[HannibalBarca]

You know, other scenarios are possible. Europe can preserve the custom union, but return some sovereignty to states - this is the goal of the patriotic forces. Not the destruction of Europe, but its reform. And these are legitimate demands.
Africans will turn Europe into Africa if their share of the population exceeds a certain figure - this is absolutely logical.

To get EU into Africa you will need around 550-600 Mil africans in EU... ( meaning a little more than the half)

So good luck with that... You will need to Get HALF of ALL africa in EU.
So at this rate, even if you get 1Million PER YEAR jumping in EU you will need 550-600 years to do so... Keep waiting...

@ValerioAurelius Can you stop you BS about Immigration by giving escuses, like they don't bring nothing and such... Just Say you don't like Them and Basta...