1m African migrants may be en route to Europe, says former UK envoy

[GiannKall]

History is funny. In the 19th century France managed to conquer a good portion of Africa and teach them French. Now these muslim Africans migrate to France because they know French. My opinion is that if you teach muslims western logic(as the west tries to do now)the immigration in EU will increase.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Seems like a natural move, their homeland destroyed by weapons from Europe , now they move to Europe

 

[GiannKall]

I agree. What we need is an inferno of hate. Its that simple.

Its a quite simple concept. They come from hell holes. They try to reach europe because they expect better life here.

Its a proven fact that you need to destroy their hope to achieve that this turns around.

When you look at Idomeni you can see that. When the border was locked they first started rioting. After one month in mud and dirt they collapsed and could be deported.

Guardig the mediterranean is quite easy. You dont even need much staff. Dones can do it, and seek ad destroy any boat during day and night. If thats done a few times and publicly reported this movement will end anyways.

Perhaps its easy for Italy but not for Greece. Someone can litteraly swim from the coast of Turkey to Greece. The only alternative is starting killing migrants which will obviously cause global outrage. Sadly EU is considered paradise for these migrants. Only serious disrurbances like a civil war will stop immigration. For me immigration is not bad as long as the people coming here dont cause problems. What you must do is make for more difficult for these migrants to take the local citizenchip

 

[Lavrentiy]

Why don't European navies in the Mediterranean just sink these vessels? How hard is it to take out these shabby unarmed boats?

 

[Jungibaaz]

Guardig the mediterranean is quite easy. You dont even need much staff. Dones can do it, and seek ad destroy any boat during day and night. If thats done a few times and publicly reported this movement will end anyways.

You realise that deporting refugees is a violation of international law, forget for a second whatever issue you have with classifying them as refugees. Deporting them violates the 1951 Geneva Convention and its 1967 protocol.

If that's the standard for not deporting them, what do you think the international standards are for such a heinous crime as attacking and sinking an civilian vessel full of unarmed people? Not to mention the political outrage internally, which would be justifiable outrage, I might add.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Any country is free to ignore or cancel geneva anyways.

The European Court of Human rights declared that italy is nit allowed to deport eriteans to sudan. Our Pm ignore it and does it anyway. Hard times demand hard solutions. And worthless paper bounds us to nothing. We already do deportations and speed that up on quantity as well. I don't see a problem with killing them either. Our law allows our armed forces to protect our border with lethal force if needed. I dont think it will be constant necessary. Make a show of force and they wont try.

We treat them that bad in italy, that some prefer suicide. Like jump in channel in venice and people around laugh while that guy died. Its not nice but they are unwanted and nobody needs or wants them here. They can only solve their Problems at home.

So you plainly condone killing these people, and then driving them to suicide if necessary for the ones that show up in your country?

 

[Jungibaaz]

If you have another option how to keep them out, i would be happy to hear them.

About that, if you were to keep them all out, or alternatively drown them in the Med before they enter as you suggest, how would it solve all your problems? By problems I mean issues in your daily life, and presumably anything that's wrong with Italy today?

Please answer with some detail about your thought process, it might justify your thoughts here, I'll wait and read later.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

About that, if you were to keep them all out, or alternatively drown them in the Med before they enter as you suggest, how would it solve all your problems? By problems I mean issues in your daily life, and presumably anything that's wrong with Italy today?

Please answer with some detail about your thought process, it might justify your thoughts here, I'll wait and read later.

They are a burden. This and nothing more. They cost money. People dont want them. They are seen as virus in italy and people block roads to keep them out. If more come, society gets more radical. It must be made clear, that they have no future here. We currently start preparation to pudh thrir boats back libya. I think thsts enough. If not ee must act evrn more ruthless.

 

[terranMarine]

Any country is free to ignore or cancel geneva anyways.

The European Court of Human rights declared that italy is nit allowed to deport eriteans to sudan. Our Pm ignore it and does it anyway. Hard times demand hard solutions. And worthless paper bounds us to nothing. We already do deportations and speed that up on quantity as well. I don't see a problem with killing them either. Our law allows our armed forces to protect our border with lethal force if needed. I dont think it will be constant necessary. Make a show of force and they wont try.

We treat them that bad in italy, that some prefer suicide. Like jump in channel in venice and people around laugh while that guy died. Its not nice but they are unwanted and nobody needs or wants them here. They can only solve their Problems at home.

I'm surprised you support murdering civilians, men-women-kids-babies then again i can tell you treat them as unwanted guests. The cause of all of this is US

 

[ValerioAurelius]

I'm surprised you support murdering civilians, men-women-kids-babies then again i can tell you treat them as unwanted guests. The cause of all of this is US

We have a saying: those who seek danger, die in it.

Border defense is not murder.

 

[terranMarine]

We have a saying: those who seek danger, die in it.

Border defense is not murder.

I do agree that all refugees from North Africa heading towards Italy will crumble your country. Italy and Europe too bad had to deal with it while US launched the "regime" change attack on Libya. Europe sadly is held hostage and get to deal with the consequence. Americans

 

[Republiek_van_Piesang]

As long as South Africa still has a functioning economy, most of the migrants from down South of the equator would go to SA first before paying whatever smuggler is there in order to go to Europe. If you see South Africans getting into the same boat with the Eritreans, Nigerians and Mozambicans then it's a total FUBAR for Sub-Saharan Africa .


/sarcasm

 

[HannibalBarca]

1st rule of aid is "self defense and self protection goes above helping other".

This means i must first secure myself, before i help others. I dont jump into the sea to rescue someone when there is a Great white shark.

Africans and middle easterners have no future in europe. Its will result only on one thing. We saw that a raising influx already created massive tension. And thats still a relative small amount. If their numbers rise more, we can expect genocide against them. When you see africans comitting suicide in the channels of Venice and people stand on boats and bridges and laugh and make jokes you know where this will go.

We need a several step plan.

1. step is closing down the med completly. The australian model. No boat is let through. All pushed back to Libyan coast. This should be enough to discourage this.

2. step is to lock down the Sahara

Africas problems can only be solved in africa. They have too many children. And they only survive because western technology.

When europe is locked down its important to secure northern africa. I find it amusing when users like Hannibal dont see what danger they face. The demographic development of black africa is a ticking time bomb. Nigeria alone will quadruple in the next 50 years. There are already massive problems in Sudan, Eritrea and so on and they push north.

They will first invade northern africa, pushing through the nile river valley.

I made the mistake in the past to see the med as barrier but in reality its the Sahara. A fact EU put on the agenda.

Nations like morocco, tunisia and egypt would be the first one to collapse into chaos, when hundreds of millions of africans storm them.

@HannibalBarca Tunisia and other nations like morocco or egypt might not be perfect. But you have a basic level of income you dont understand what danger for your very existence just starts to build up in the south.

There is one data you forgot in your statement... We are not against them when they come... 1mil is not a lot when it's among few North African countries, BC we already have a lot , but they never stay, what they want it's Europe and if they can't have it, they do not stay in North Africa most of them... In the end, Europe gonna pay us if they want them not to pass, if not, then whatever Navy you may use to stop them, they will pass and will stay in Europe. Or you have to kill them or sink their ship... In the end those Africans are our brothers, so if they want to stay in our country for a better life, Then they are welcome. But they goal is Europe...

Before you jump on your horses by saying Tunisia do not have refugees... Think again... We have almost 2 mil Libyans + half of millions of other nationalities in our country for 12mil pop... Meaning around 18 to 20% of our pop and yet we are not whining about them and yet we have problems like some Terro and unemployment...

But Italy we few thousands is whining with a 1.8 trillion GDP while Tunisia has a 60 billion GDP... That's the difference between us... We try to help with what we have, even if it's very little...

 

[DejanSRB]

I am not afraid of Syrians, majority of them even dont want to live in "disgusting moral West", only few percents of sophisticated and educated Syrians in war zones, realize that West is only option for good life.
My biggest fear is migrants from Central Africa, Nigeria, Sudan, Tanzania...
Only Nigeria will have about 500 mln people on 2050.
500 MLN. MORE THE WHOLE E.U.
If we see even fertility rates in Turkey (only. 2.0 compared to 4.5 in 1950), France 2.1 compared to 3.4, Russia 1.8 compered to 3.7, we will see that some BS phrases like "Asia century" is nothing how Africans will dominate world in third milenium. And they will not give a damn about colonial nations or non colonial nations. Nigeria and Somalia are burning. Just watch.

 

[ValerioAurelius]

I am not afraid of Syrians, majority of them even dont want to live in "disgusting moral West", only few percents of sophisticated and educated Syrians in war zones, realize that West is only option for good life.
My biggest fear is migrants from Central Africa, Nigeria, Sudan, Tanzania...
Only Nigeria will have about 500 mln people on 2050.
500 MLN. MORE THE WHOLE E.U.
If we see even fertility rates in Turkey (only. 2.0 compared to 4.5 in 1950), France 2.1 compared to 3.4, Russia 1.8 compered to 3.7, we will see that some BS phrases like "Asia century" is nothing how Africans will dominate world in third milenium. And they will not give a damn about colonial nations or non colonial nations. Nigeria and Somalia are burning. Just watch.

They can't dominate because they produce nothing. Its more and more masses pumped out who are absolutely useless. I agree with you they will collapse into a Black hole.