1949-1960: Political instability in Pakistan-Where was Fatima Jinnah

[FaujHistorian]

Pakistan suffered huge political instability during first 15+ years of its birth.

Politicians of every hue and color played like Rangeela Shah Mughal emperor (or worse Nero of rome). During all these years, mather-e-millet stayed on the sidelines. Why?

Then in her 70s she became the voice of opposition as a leader of COPP (Combined Opposition Party of Pakistan). COPP was a combination off 5 parties that did not have any unity among themselves except one point agenda to beat Ayub Khan.

Such alliances have always failed in Pakistan. MMA, 9 stars etc are good example.

So the question remains?

Why did FJ fail to start a political party from 1949 and spent days without active poltical role.

Only in 1965 she was a ceremonial leader of 5 squabbling political parties.

Why?


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[Dr. Strangelove]

probably because she did not had any interest in politics

 

[FaujHistorian]

probably because she did not had any interest in politics

So if I do not work hard for exams and remain absent for 16 years,

then how come one can suddenly claim that you have acquired all the knowledge.

And if she failed in the exam (election), people shouted rigging?

My dear brother,

politics is hard work, life long commitment.

Noone can just show up on elections and claim they will win the elections.

 

[ajpirzada]

very interesting topic... will be great to learn from others. im an ignorant as of now

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

So if I do not work hard for exams and remain absent for 16 years,

then how come one can suddenly claim that you have acquired all the knowledge.

And if she failed in the exam (election), people shouted rigging?

My dear brother,

politics is hard work, life long commitment.

Noone can just show up on elections and claim they will win the elections.

the combined opposition needed a leader to lead against ayub khan all of these parties were always ready to pounce on each other so they took the middle road and made Fatima jinnah their leader for the election
and 80,000 can easily be bought

 

[FaujHistorian]

the combined opposition needed a leader to lead against ayub khan all of these parties were always ready to pounce on each other so they took the middle road and made Fatima jinnah their leader for the election
and 80,000 can easily be bought

Meray piaray bhai

My question is not about 80,000

It is about the lack of hard and intense political work.

I hope you understand.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Meray piaray bhai

My question is not about 80,000

It is about the lack of hard and intense political work.

I hope you understand.

there is no denying there
their entire election campaign was nothing more than bullshit
they were too loosely organized to be a strong opponent and had only a presidential candidate in common

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

From my understanding she was never in politics. After her borther's wife died, she accompanied him on trips to look after his health, and that's why you could see her in photos of the time.

In 1965 she might've been convinced by politicians to contest and thereby enter politics.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@FaujHistorian I don't really like looking at our post 1947 history because I fear my views might end up being divisive which as you know is very easy. In addition I would like to read on the subject matter more but just my two cents:-

1. You have to understand that most of ML leadership including it's core structure were alien to the land that became Pakistan. As you know in Punjab the Unionist party had been dominant till very late in the approach to 1947. The bottom line is Pakistan had come about because the four provinces had on one point agenda tipped over. After 1947 as move past the initial euphoria ML had little traction in West Punjab.

2. This lack of traction with the populace explains all the shenanigans of the first decade. This created weakness and tension between ML leadership and local politics of what was then West Pakistan. The military was in fact the only arm of the state that was dominated by roots in West Pakistan. Ayub Khan's take over can in fact be seen as the first attempt by 'native' control from the 'migrants'.

3. You can see how the capital was shifted north to the home of the military and central to the GT belt which even today provides most of manpower to the military. If you read the history of PML Kakul you will find that one of the first attempts at military coup was made in 1948 by young cadet officers who bitterly resented that Kashmir had not been given primary focus by ML leadership that had it's heart set on Hyderabad, UP in India whence most had come.

I do not frankly like going into this too much. As you know I am always tangling with Indian's. Last thing I want to do here is give them succour when they see me ending up in controversy with my own people.One problem with our country is people can't cope with critical analysis of the past because it causes so much rupture. It is like questioning something holy or sacred. People go crazy if you try to question things that now have certain halo about them.

Read up about the cadet mutiny and General Akbar. I will see if I can get links for you or maybe even better you probably know about the first Australian officer of PMA and his time there.

Ps. I do think though she made a wise choice staying out. Had she engaged she would have only sullied her name. At least now we all can look at her with feeling of unity and pride.

 

[FaujHistorian]

@FaujHistorian I don't really like looking at our post 1947 history because I don't like if my views divisive which of course they can be. In addition I would like to read on the subject matter more but just my two cents is:-

1. You have to understand that most of ML leadership including it's core structure were alien to the land that became Pakistan. As you know in Punjab the Unionist party had been dominant till very late in the approach to 1947. The bottom line is Pakistan had come about because the four provinces had on one point agenda tipped over. After 1947 as move past the initial euphoria ML had little traction in West Punjab.

2. This lack of traction with the populace explains all the shenanigans of the first decade. This created weakness and tension between ML leadership and local politics of what was then West Pakistan. The military was in fact the only arm of the state that was dominated by roots in West Pakistan. Ayub Khan's take over can in fact be seen as the first attempt by 'native' control from the 'migrants'.

3. You can see how the capital was shifted north to the home of the military and central to the GT belt which even today provides most of manpower to the military. If you read the history of PML Kakul you will find that one of the first attempts at military coup was made in 1948 by young cadet officers who bitterly resented that Kashmir had not been given primary focus by ML leadership that had it's heart set on Hyderabad, UP in India whence most had come.

I do not frankly like going into this too much. As you know I am always tangling with Indian's. Last thing I want to do here is give them succour when they see ending up in controversy with my own people.One problem with our country is people can't cope with critical analysis of the past because it cause so much rupture. It is like questioning something holy or sacred. People go crazy if you try to question things that are now have certain halo about them.

Read up about the cadet mutiny and General Akbar. I will see if I can get links for you or maybe even better you probably know about the first Australian officer of PMA and his time there.

Ps. I do think though she made a wise choice staying out. Had she engaged she would have only sullied her name. At least now we all can look at her with feeling of unity and pride.

I share the concern bhai jaan.

I do.

But the thread is about figuring out if our fathers forefathers made political mistakes.

This is the only way we can stop repeating our past mistakes.
And that meray bhai is worth every penny even if few Bharatis make fun of us.

Best regards

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I share the concern bhai jaan.

I do.

But the thread is about figuring out if our fathers forefathers made political mistakes.

This is the only way we can stop repeating our past mistakes.
And that meray bhai is worth every penny even if few Bharatis make fun of us.

Best regards

If only we had more people like you. On this occasion I will make a exception and post later my views on the subject.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Pakistan suffered huge political instability during first 15+ years of its birth.

Politicians of every hue and color played like Rangeela Shah Mughal emperor (or worse Nero of rome). During all these years, mather-e-millet stayed on the sidelines. Why?

Then in her 70s she became the voice of opposition as a leader of COPP (Combined Opposition Party of Pakistan). COPP was a combination off 5 parties that did not have any unity among themselves except one point agenda to beat Ayub Khan.

Such alliances have always failed in Pakistan. MMA, 9 stars etc are good example.

So the question remains?

Why did FJ fail to start a political party from 1949 and spent days without active poltical role.

Only in 1965 she was a ceremonial leader of 5 squabbling political parties.

Why?


Thank you.

p.s. Advance thanks for sharing your serious thoughts


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cuz FM Ayub had distorted the democratic system, and was involved in rigging?

 

[FaujHistorian]

cuz FM Ayub had distorted the democratic system, and was involved in rigging?

Please keep in mind the timeline.

you are talking about 1965
I was talking about 1949-1960 or in other words before 1965 elections.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Please keep in mind the timeline.

you are talking about 1965
I was talking about 1949-1960 or in other words before 1965 elections.

she saw no point before that, elections were scheduled after wards when the 1962 constitution came into affect

 

[FaujHistorian]

she saw no point before that, elections were scheduled after wards when the 1962 constitution came into affect

So politicians made fool of all Pakistan for 16 years and she saw no point?

Why?