17 Y/O pariah Christian boy beaten to death by Muslim students in school

[Khafee]

rape is 10 times higher in pakistan.....loooooooooool. indian wet dream
we don't drink camel pee. we eat camels....like we eat your mother cows. you want a beef burger?

Since you are making beef burgers, I'll have mine well done, with onions, tomato and lettuce please.

 

[Thorough Pro]

We are very inspired by you and appreciate how and you have made it a personal cause to see that no unarmed black kids are shot dead by white police or other minorities are not bullied or beaten or brutally murdered by racist whites and never get punished.

Off course we can't match your high morals, but we will do whatever it takes to serve the justice to the culprits and continue spreading our message of peace, prosperity, and inclusiveness in the society through education.

Are you going to make it your personal cause to see that this happens?

 

[The Accountant]

That happened because of the representative of the political party. It was based on Imran Khan vs Nawaz Sharif which has nothing to do with the political related.

On the other hand, the thakedaar of Islam use Religion to discriminate the community on the religious ground even though Islam is against the discrimination, and crimes.

Once the religion is separated from the state, the thakedaar of Islam is kept on the defensive, and because on the line of secularism, everyone will be free to do as they like. Bear in mind that the concept of secularism was brought by Ottoman Empire which Western world implemented centurions later.

Even during the Ottoman Empire for more than 600 years, they separated Religion from the state, hence the system 'Sultanate System' which presided the political affairs over the empire, and gave birth to the multiculturalism. Because of that, from the Jewish to the Christians and many more migrated and supported the booming economy of Ottoman Empire. They lived in Ottoman Empire with peace and harmony.

Do we really need Religion as part of the state knowing very well that Religion is divided on the sectarian lines which the thakedaar of Islam cannot even unite in the same banner should presume the presiding affairs of the state that has minority of all kinds?



Unlike India, Pakistan is swift to take action against the guilty. There is no discrimination in justice. If Muslim did the crime, then he will pay.

But you reward Genocidal leader as PM of India encouraging his political party to rampage against minority including Indian Muslims in the name of beef laws, and you guys even justify for the actions.

Christians are targeted everyday in the name of their faiths by RSS political party whereas guilty party is sentenced to jail in Pakistan swiftly. It is same Pakistan that just brought down Nawaz Sharif over the allegation of corruption whereas Indian corrupted Genocidal leaders are rewarded with powers and popularity.

So if something is done by thekedar of democtacy then issue is with thekedar and no issues with democracy but for religion crimes of religious mis guided thekedar is allocated to religion itself ... isnt this discremenation ?

Well if you give examples of ottoman i will give example of khulfa.e.rashedeen as they used religion to build a welfare based society parallel to none ... issue is not religion but lack of education both religious and secular ...

We need to educate our mases and we have to remove these fake thekedar of islams as there is no requiremrnt of those in islam everyone has to read quran and implement it ... dont we know it is one of the biggest crime in islam to kill a single innocent man ? So dont you think problem will be resolved by true teachings of islam and not by removing islam ?

You neef to realize core issue is lack of education which is resulting in a disarrayed society

In America that statement would be classed as attempted political interference with a police investigation.

That's a cold attitude that doesn't take into account the sensitivities of the victim's family, if not the entire community. Only one person is behind bars, the one who said his victim broke his cellphone. That religion was a factor in adding any special relish to the beating of the victim, or the conviction of the parents others were involved in the crime and cover up, the message is that nothing is expected at this stage.

Do you think a demonstrably perverted legal process like this is going to convince the Christian community that they shouldn't walk in fear of their Muslim neighbors' kids? That there won't be Christian-killers walking the street with a smirk that says, "You Christians better bow down and behave, or else I'll beat you to death"?

This is not the fact ... in Pakistan religion is not a bases of differentiation except for few lunatics ... i am a practicing muslim and i have rented my home to a chrostian family ...

 

[Finer]

So if something is done by thekedar of democtacy then issue is with thekedar and no issues with democracy but for religion crimes of religious mis guided thekedar is allocated to religion itself ... isnt this discremenation ?

Well if you give examples of ottoman i will give example of khulfa.e.rashedeen as they used religion to build a welfare based society parallel to none ... issue is not religion but lack of education both religious and secular ...

We need to educate our mases and we have to remove these fake thekedar of islams as there is no requiremrnt of those in islam everyone has to read quran and implement it ... dont we know it is one of the biggest crime in islam to kill a single innocent man ? So dont you think problem will be resolved by true teachings of islam and not by removing islam ?

You neef to realize core issue is lack of education which is resulting in a disarrayed society


This is not the fact ... in Pakistan religion is not a bases of differentiation except for few lunatics ... i am a practicing muslim and i have rented my home to a chrostian family ...

Islam has more than 10 sections. There is huge history of sectarian wars that goes back to 1300 years ago after the death of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Khalifat-e-Rashideen made morbid sense back than as most of them were under the single section of Islam.

By the time Ottoman Empire was founded, there was already sectarian formed. Today, more than 10 sections and goes on. Which section should be formulated to implement against the wills of Pakistan with the civilization of more than 10 sections of Islam, not to mention the minority? Never mind Pakistan, the whole Middle East is divided on the sectarian angle plagued with terrorism due to the result of political ideology that came with the sectarian agenda thus defying the truest Islam. No one want truest Islam but everybody want political Islam based on the political ideology which the today political ideology of the sectarian thrives on the sectarian wars promoting terrorism which goes against everything Islam stands for.

Islam is never meant to be political ideology. There was no political ideology during the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) because Islam was sent as guidance. Although Islam came, the civilization back than already had the laws and orders which to this day is still practiced; mainly in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The moment you mix Islam with the state, the value of Islam goes down very fast if the political ideology based on religion angle under the religion garb. Because only in the political affairs, the religion loses face value under the wrong man in authority; the man with the religion background.

So why mix with the state to undermine the integrity of Islam for the sake of thakedaar of Islam who can't wait to defile the truest Islam to further their political ideology promoting terrorism at the expense of the betterment of the nation?

Ottoman Empire flourished because it gave no discrimination to either sects of Islam by separating Islam from the state. Similarity, the Western world progressed the moment they separated their religion from the state. Because of separating the religion from the state, that boosted the multiculturalism for more than 600 years in Ottoman Empire and 100 years [give and take] in the Western world.

rape is 10 times higher in pakistan.....loooooooooool. indian wet dream
we don't drink camel pee. we eat camels....like we eat your mother cows. you want a beef burger?

I think it might be true. After all, Pakistan is billions-populated nation with the huge history of abortion on female fetus before they are born. Not to mention, the rape capital of the world who holds dear to the cow than women and their honor. Everyday and every second, a girl is raped every 26 seconds in the land that elected Modi with the background of genocide against Hindu population along with the its political party rampaging against minority like Hindu population in the name of beef laws.

One of ten commandments in the religion founded on Arabic; Thou shall not beef with the cow!!!

 

[I.R.A]

Islam has more than 10 sections. There is huge history of sectarian wars that goes back to 1300 years ago after the death of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

That is a blatant lie presented as history of Islam written in so called holy books. Where there is division and sects its not Islam. What we read today as Islam is what Abbasid encouraged and got recorded as history with heavy influence of Zoroastrians involved. See if you can figure out the resemblance.

 

[The Accountant]

Islam has more than 10 sections. There is huge history of sectarian wars that goes back to 1300 years ago after the death of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Khalifat-e-Rashideen made morbid sense back than as most of them were under the single section of Islam.

By the time Ottoman Empire was founded, there was already sectarian formed. Today, more than 10 sections and goes on. Which section should be formulated to implement against the wills of Pakistan with the civilization of more than 10 sections of Islam, not to mention the minority? Never mind Pakistan, the whole Middle East is divided on the sectarian angle plagued with terrorism due to the result of political ideology that came with the sectarian agenda thus defying the truest Islam. No one want truest Islam but everybody want political Islam based on the political ideology which the today political ideology of the sectarian thrives on the sectarian wars promoting terrorism which goes against everything Islam stands for.

Islam is never meant to be political ideology. There was no political ideology during the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) because Islam was sent as guidance. Although Islam came, the civilization back than already had the laws and orders which to this day is still practiced; mainly in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The moment you mix Islam with the state, the value of Islam goes down very fast if the political ideology based on religion angle under the religion garb. Because only in the political affairs, the religion loses face value under the wrong man in authority; the man with the religion background.

So why mix with the state to undermine the integrity of Islam for the sake of thakedaar of Islam who can't wait to defile the truest Islam to further their political ideology promoting terrorism at the expense of the betterment of the nation?

Ottoman Empire flourished because it gave no discrimination to either sects of Islam by separating Islam from the state. Similarity, the Western world progressed the moment they separated their religion from the state. Because of separating the religion from the state, that boosted the multiculturalism for more than 600 years in Ottoman Empire and 100 years [give and take] in the Western world.



I think it might be true. After all, Pakistan is billions-populated nation with the huge history of abortion on female fetus before they are born. Not to mention, the rape capital of the world who holds dear to the cow than women and their honor. Everyday and every second, a girl is raped every 26 seconds in the land that elected Modi with the background of genocide against Hindu population along with the its political party rampaging against minority like Hindu population in the name of beef laws. #Thou shall not beef with the cow!!!

Brother you are talking about all the factors which have distorted the real sense of islam ... lets go back to original islam ... were there any sects ? No there were no sects ... different sects are based on own personal choices and are about personal beliefs it has nothing to do with states affairs ... let's scrutinize political matters that has to come under islam ... justice system, can you provide a better justice system then islam ? Does justice system has anything to do with sect or we have different definitions of robbery and murder in sects? Islam is open for chain of authoirty ... The political view of Islam is about a welfare society based on just system,, infact the system of taxation in Islam is very progressive and it forces the wealthy person to invest more and more business activities as Islam do not tax (zakat) the profits but tax the money in hand and hence forces the wealthy to keep on rotating the money and hence resulting in high level of business activities creating jobs etc ...

If there are differences then we need to educate ourselves to live with the differences of others and it is just the matter of education ... there are murders in schools and colleges on girls, rivalries, political influence even if we move to secularisim then these murder will not stop as they are due to lack of education ...

Islam is our identity, without Islam there is no reason of existing of Pakistan as a country and the people asking for secularisim are basically asking Pakistan to break down as in that case why a Sindhi will be working with Punjabi to whom he already thinks that he taking rights of Sindh ?

For me and most of the Pakistani our first identity is Islam and this is our binding force and our national heritage otherwise we will lost

 

[Finer]

Brother you are talking about all the factors which have distorted the real sense of islam ... lets go back to original islam ... were there any sects ? No there were no sects ... different sects are based on own personal choices and are about personal beliefs it has nothing to do with states affairs ... let's scrutinize political matters that has to come under islam ... justice system, can you provide a better justice system then islam ? Does justice system has anything to do with sect or we have different definitions of robbery and murder in sects? Islam is open for chain of authoirty ... The political view of Islam is about a welfare society based on just system,, infact the system of taxation in Islam is very progressive and it forces the wealthy person to invest more and more business activities as Islam do not tax (zakat) the profits but tax the money in hand and hence forces the wealthy to keep on rotating the money and hence resulting in high level of business activities creating jobs etc ...

If there are differences then we need to educate ourselves to live with the differences of others and it is just the matter of education ... there are murders in schools and colleges on girls, rivalries, political influence even if we move to secularisim then these murder will not stop as they are due to lack of education ...

Islam is our identity, without Islam there is no reason of existing of Pakistan as a country and the people asking for secularisim are basically asking Pakistan to break down as in that case why a Sindhi will be working with Punjabi to whom he already thinks that he taking rights of Sindh ?

For me and most of the Pakistani our first identity is Islam and this is our binding force and our national heritage otherwise we will lost

Let is go back to the original Islam? Do you think that would satisfy the sects of Islam when they think their own section of Islam is their real and perceive others as false?

How are you going to decide which one is original and if you do choose one section that is presumably to the original [for the sake of debate], that is going to alienate many sections of Islam which will invite civil wars as if the civil wars in the name of sectarians funneling terrorism to destroy Middle East is not enough, now that you want Pakistan follow to the same passage?

Ottoman Empire pitched the best combination factor of Sultunate System that presided the political affairs over the Religion code and conducts to ensure everyone's faith are equally accorded as originally Islam intended.

Islam is about accommodating every faiths equally. In the sense, secularism in the nation provides that option to further the agenda of true Islam over the political ideology that presumes to base their sects on their version of Islam which will further divide the nation furthermore in the name of sectarian which we are just witnessing the decline of Middle East due to KSA and Iran.

The concept of secularism in the truest form of democracy was invented by Ottoman Empire. That Ottoman Empire ruled the empire for more than 600 years. That was Caliphate of ALLAH. In the name of Sultunate system based on secularism concept, that served the agenda of real Islam boosting multiculturalism where Jewish, Christians and all other kinds lived and progressed in harmony with peace in Ottoman Empire with Muslims. If you want real Islam accommodating bundle of sections of Islam, then the secularism is the answer as it served Ottoman Empire well for more than 600 years.

And precisely the concept as Jinnah (R.A) envisioned based on the visions of Allama Iqbal; Islamic democracy based on the secularism where everyone can live like equal, participate, free to practice their faiths unopposed, and exercise to the freedom of speech and expression in Pakistan. That was the speech Mohammad Ali Jinnah (R.A) made to ensure that the intended vision for Pakistan for the future because he didn't want Pakistan to be like India based on Hindu political ideology.

Ironically, India persisted with the secular democracy for many many years until Modi will be undoing of all the hard work including reformative policy in 90s. Whereas for Pakistan, Pakistan turned back on the words of Jinnah (R.A), and implemented Blashemy laws which Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and His companions (R.A) never supported nor imagined. Otherwise, it would undermine the verse from the Holy Quran; To you is your and to me is mine which was revealed as the response to the Arab polytheism dominated region when Muslims were oppressed, denied to practice their faith in public as they asked for the right to practice their faith in public unopposed. Then it led to the exchanged moments which suggested from the Muslim side that you are free to pray however you like, and we are not forcing you, but why you are forcing us?

In Islam, it is pretty clear that the coercion is not allowed whether in faith, in marriage and in general. Blasphemy law undermines Holy Quran as blasphemy laws goes against everything original Islam stands for. But blasphemy law is based on the political ideology fueled by the orthodox Sunni version of Islam mixed with the extremist version of Islam. The Sunni version, however, very first and the oldest sect of Islam, but now, from the Shia to the Salafi and Wahabbism, they all endorse similar blasphemy laws that maintains hard and aggressive stances undermine the freedom of rights to speech and expression whether in faith, and in general.

That is a blatant lie presented as history of Islam written in so called holy books. Where there is division and sects its not Islam. What we read today as Islam is what Abbasid encouraged and got recorded as history with heavy influence of Zoroastrians involved. See if you can figure out the resemblance.

Are you calling the history lies? Or the recent sectarian war between KSA and Iran is also lie?

The real sectarian started the moment the family of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was butchered to death. And i am not Shia. That was the moment started the political movement which later developed as Shiasm. Then many new sections came as the presumed to be reformative following Sufi, Deobandi and many more.

1400 years later, there are more than one groups in the oldest section, Sunni. Then there are many groups on Shiasm as well in Iran. Not to mention, Ahmedhiya, Salafism, Wahabbism and GOD knows how many more.

Even today, the sectarian war between KSA and Iran is not related to Zoroastrians which is non-existence in today's world. So-called Zoroastrians is off the table. At best you will find few existence in India and some in Pakistan.

If you are open to the history, then read the history to learn why Ottoman Empire brought Sultunate system to preside the political affairs over the some sections of Islam. The key word is unity just in case just in case if you want short version of history.

 

[I.R.A]

Are you calling the history lies? Or the recent sectarian war between KSA and Iran is also lie?

Yes I am calling it lies ......... distorted ............ blatant lies. Hear say.

Have you ever wondered why all the Islamic personalities are shown as helpless and oppressed in Islamic history and narrations? From Usman to Hussain all of them are shown they died helpless with majority not caring ..... impossible.

Even Messengers Jesus of Quran is very different from Jesus of Hear say books ............

Even today, the sectarian war between KSA and Iran is not related to Zoroastrians which is non-existence in today's word. You wanna turn blind to the reality and stick with the fantastical version that pleases you? Be my guest.

Oil kings are very recent ........... you have no clue how Omar's conquering of Persia was avenged ..... do read some books other than usual hear say holy books ........ by the way Zoroastrians have the same five times for their daily prayers.

You want to remain deluded ......... yes please remain so, your only source is hear say books, history written by men under kings .......... any how when you go public then have heart to read disagreeing views.

If you are open to the reality, then read the history to learn why Ottoman Empire brought Sultunate system to preside the political affairs over the some sections of Islam. The key word is unity just in case if you choose not to read the history.

Please do educate me what was purpose of migrating to Madina and what happened in Madina?

 

[The Accountant]

Yes I am calling it lies ......... distorted ............ blatant lies. Hear say.

Have you ever wondered why all the Islamic personalities are shown as helpless and oppressed in Islamic history and narrations? From Usman to Hussain all of them are shown they died helpless with majority not caring ..... impossible.

Even Messengers Jesus of Quran is very different from Jesus of Hear say books ............



Oil kings are very recent ........... you have no clue how Omar's conquering of Persia was avenged ..... do read some books other than usual hear say holy books ........ by the way Zoroastrians have the same five times for their daily prayers.

You want to remain deluded ......... yes please remain so, your only source is hear say books, history written by men under kings .......... any how when you go public then have heart to read disagreeing views.



Please do educate me what was purpose of migrating to Madina and what happened in Madina?

Sir no use ... they prefer historical records written after 200 years of the incident and 100s and thousands of kms away from the place of incident ... what happened in arab is to be told by persians ... and irony is all the four imams of sunni are somehow got there teachings from imams of shia but yet they are far in contrast but no one ever addressed this issue as it will result in prooving that books written on sermons of family of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) were written after 100s of years and by unknown third person and the very purpose of those books were to create a division that was initiated by ibn.e.saba ... unfortunately our nation do not read ...

Let is go back to the original Islam? Do you think that would satisfy the sects of Islam when they think their own section of Islam is their real and perceive others as false?

How are you going to decide which one is original and if you do choose one section that is presumably to the original [for the sake of debate], that is going to alienate many sections of Islam which will invite civil wars as if the civil wars in the name of sectarians funneling terrorism to destroy Middle East is not enough, now that you want Pakistan follow to the same passage?

Ottoman Empire pitched the best combination factor of Sultunate System that presided the political affairs over the Religion code and conducts to ensure everyone's faith are equally accorded as originally Islam intended.

Islam is about accommodating every faiths equally. In the sense, secularism in the nation provides that option to further the agenda of true Islam over the political ideology that presumes to base their sects on their version of Islam which will further divide the nation furthermore in the name of sectarian which we are just witnessing the decline of Middle East due to KSA and Iran.

The concept of secularism in the truest form of democracy was invented by Ottoman Empire. That Ottoman Empire ruled the empire for more than 600 years. That was Caliphate of ALLAH. In the name of Sultunate system based on secularism concept, that served the agenda of real Islam boosting multiculturalism where Jewish, Christians and all other kinds lived and progressed in harmony with peace in Ottoman Empire with Muslims. If you want real Islam accommodating bundle of sections of Islam, then the secularism is the answer as it served Ottoman Empire well for more than 600 years.

And precisely the concept as Jinnah (R.A) envisioned based on the visions of Allama Iqbal; Islamic democracy based on the secularism where everyone can live like equal, participate, free to practice their faiths unopposed, and exercise to the freedom of speech and expression in Pakistan. That was the speech Mohammad Ali Jinnah (R.A) made to ensure that the intended vision for Pakistan for the future because he didn't want Pakistan to be like India based on Hindu political ideology.

Ironically, India persisted with the secular democracy for many many years until Modi will be undoing of all the hard work including reformative policy in 90s. Whereas for Pakistan, Pakistan turned back on the words of Jinnah (R.A), and implemented Blashemy laws which Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and His companions (R.A) never supported nor imagined. Otherwise, it would undermine the verse from the Holy Quran; To you is your and to me is mine which was revealed as the response to the Arab polytheism dominated region when Muslims were oppressed, denied to practice their faith in public as they asked for the right to practice their faith in public unopposed. Then it led to the exchanged moments which suggested from the Muslim side that you are free to pray however you like, and we are not forcing you, but why you are forcing us?

In Islam, it is pretty clear that the coercion is not allowed whether in faith, in marriage and in general. Blasphemy law undermines Holy Quran as blasphemy laws goes against everything original Islam stands for. But blasphemy law is based on the political ideology fueled by the orthodox Sunni version of Islam mixed with the extremist version of Islam. The Sunni version, however, very first and the oldest sect of Islam, but now, from the Shia to the Salafi and Wahabbism, they all endorse similar blasphemy laws that maintains hard and aggressive stances undermine the freedom of rights to speech and expression whether in faith, and in general.



Are you calling the history lies? Or the recent sectarian war between KSA and Iran is also lie?

The real sectarian started the moment the family of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was butchered to death. And i am not Shia. That was the moment started the political movement which later developed as Shiasm. Then many new sections came as the presumed to be reformative following Sufi, Deobandi and many more.

1400 years later, there are more than one groups in the oldest section, Sunni. Then there are many groups on Shiasm as well in Iran. Not to mention, Ahmedhiya, Salafism, Wahabbism and GOD knows how many more.

Even today, the sectarian war between KSA and Iran is not related to Zoroastrians which is non-existence in today's world. So-called Zoroastrians is off the table. At best you will find few existence in India and some in Pakistan.

If you are open to the history, then read the history to learn why Ottoman Empire brought Sultunate system to preside the political affairs over the some sections of Islam. The key word is unity just in case just in case if you want short version of history.

Brother you are totally lost ... how can secularisim represents islam ? You are bringing your own version of islam ... we invest billions of rupees yearly on bringing these different political parties on a single form of parliment and to make the concensus on how to run the country ... yet there is a not a single penny of investment to develop acceptability among the sects and yet we blame religion ... reality is you dont want to follow the religious restrictions and therefore came up with this secular agenda ...

Do you really think ksa and iran are fighting for religion? Are you really that naive ? Its about arab and persian dominance over a large population and sect is really a tool for them .. so you are telling me as per wahabisim, friendship with usa is fine but shiaism is a hell ... on the other hand as per shia teachings russia is perfect but wahabisim is hell ? Man are you living in a parallel world or are you a just a common person falling into the trap of this sectarian divide to serve the purpose of some individuals ?

For example in Pakistan most of the top leaders of TTP caught do not have even basic knowledge of islam, they are not practicing muslims, still they are fighting a religious war ... isnt it obvious that all these bull shit drama is to present islam as a religion of chaos and to introduce secularisim ... and people like you are serving the pupose well ...

You will not give the examples of religious people like moulana tariq jameel, dr. Israr ahmed, zakir naik and ahmed dedad but of TTP and wahabis as your agenda is not to bring peace harmony but to remove islam ... i can bet the efforts and money spend on implementing democracy, if even half if this could be spent on bringing harmony between sects and to develop a system of acceptability between sects then we can be in much better shape as implementing islam also means establishing a true welfare society ...

 

[Finer]

Brother you are totally lost ... how can secularisim represents islam ? You are bringing your own version of islam ... we invest billions of rupees yearly on bringing these different political parties on a single form of parliment and to make the concensus on how to run the country ... yet there is a not a single penny of investment to develop acceptability among the sects and yet we blame religion ... reality is you dont want to follow the religious restrictions and therefore came up with this secular agenda ...

Clearly, you are not familiar with the Golden Age of Islam that endorsed secularism for 600 years which hosted more than millions of Christians/Jewish and many more, progressed in all fields including the science which the very source of education outsourced to lift Western world from the age of depression, thus the era of modern Western world based on the secularism platform gifted from Ottoman Empire.

Democracy began the day when Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) died. They held oral elections which then put Abu Bakr (R.A) to the power. Democracy is quite old concept than you can imagine.

Islam is all about equality. Secularism and Islam are similar because both focus on the equality which bears the fruit of multiculturalism, diversity, unity.

Do you really think ksa and iran are fighting for religion? Are you really that naive ? Its about arab and persian dominance over a large population and sect is really a tool for them .. so you are telling me as per wahabisim, friendship with usa is fine but shiaism is a hell ... on the other hand as per shia teachings russia is perfect but wahabisim is hell ? Man are you living in a parallel world or are you a just a common person falling into the trap of this sectarian divide to serve the purpose of some individuals ?

KSA and Iran have been fighting for many years for the sectarian of Religion. The keyword is sectarian.

Clearly, you are not familiar with the ground reality of Middle East. Even Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (R.A) prayed for the wall between Iran and KSA so it wouldn't come to the sectarian wars based on 1300 years ago. Alas, it was not meant to be.

Petro dollar is not same as sectarian. Sectarian is totally different story, but i don't have time to explain the concept of sectarian that goes back to 17th century for Wahabbism as far as i am concerned, and for Shia, goes back to 6-7th century. It was the seed that materialized which later became internal wars between Muslim empire to Muslim empire; Ottoman Empire vs Persian Empire [Safavid and many more], Mughal Empire was Persian Empire [Safavid and Afsharid], and KSA vs Iran.

Foreign policy whether on Petro dollar, geographically strategic, trading port is totally different story which takes to the whole new levels which i have no time to explain here. Suffice to say, the sectarian war is not stranger to the Muslim worlds for centurions.

For example in Pakistan most of the top leaders of TTP caught do not have even basic knowledge of islam, they are not practicing muslims, still they are fighting a religious war ... isnt it obvious that all these bull shit drama is to present islam as a religion of chaos and to introduce secularisim ... and people like you are serving the pupose well ...

TTP is terrorist-outfit, but they use religion as factor to further their political ideology which is based along with the lines of Wahabbism/Salafism. Never mind the fact that TTP is Indian-funded Afghan-based Terrorist-outfit but the reasons TTP flourished in Pakistan because of support from the majority of conservative with the mindset of extremism similar to Wahabbism/Salafism and the ethnic factor [Pukhtoons].

Religion is involved inherently and because of sectarian, Religion gets further involved as people further their political ideology in the name of the Religion that appears to work strangely in Pakistan.

Ottoman Empire was smart to introduce Sultanate System to separate Religion from the state, and only then, they flourished, and ruled fore centurions. Similarity in the Western world following the separation of Religion from the State, they too have flourished. Only in the state where the Religion is separated from the state can rule efficiently and endorse multiculturalism in many ways.

Otherwise in the Religion mandated system, too many issues such as sectarians, political ideologies, difference among the school thought of Ulema, politicize the minority and foreign faiths through the force [Blasphemy laws] and barbarism laws as punishment fueled by political ideology.

You will not give the examples of religious people like moulana tariq jameel, dr. Israr ahmed, zakir naik and ahmed dedad but of TTP and wahabis as your agenda is not to bring peace harmony but to remove islam ... i can bet the efforts and money spend on implementing democracy, if even half if this could be spent on bringing harmony between sects and to develop a system of acceptability between sects then we can be in much better shape as implementing islam also means establishing a true welfare society ...

Try removing almost closer to 2 billion Muslim community then. Muslim world is busy killing each other in the name of Religion to further their political ideology based on the sectarian.

And you haven't answered as to which version of Islam is right to impose against the community that is divided over the sectarian of Islam? And if democracy was the tool to remove Islam, that could have easily been achieved long time ago. But that is not the case here. Western world follow Islam unknowingly than Muslim world does.

You will find Islam in spirit in Western world than you do in Muslim world which mostly are for namesake unfortunately.

* Western world treats the children equally, prioritize girl over son whereas it is opposed in the Muslim world, not to mention, girls are deprived from the inheritance.

* Respect for women in the Western world in regards to equal opportunity as men enjoy. No honor killing as opposed to the Muslim worlds where the women are demeaned, characterized, denied of equal opportunity, and used for slavery [kitchen].

* Western world has room for the multiculturalism and open to all kind of faiths where people from all kind of faiths are open to practice their faith. Minority in Muslim world gets killed in the name of Religion or Sectarian of Religion either way following the examples of Ahmedhiya, Shia [Sunni-Shia], KSA/Iran aka Wahabbism/Shiasm, inequality [men and women], and liberalism is considered as crime.

* Western world is flexible to other genders as well as sexual orientations. But Muslim worlds plague them to death unquestionable.

And there are more but you get the gist.

 

[Finer]

Yes I am calling it lies ......... distorted ............ blatant lies. Hear say.

That goes both way. From the other perspective, that can be arguably debated too.

Have you ever wondered why all the Islamic personalities are shown as helpless and oppressed in Islamic history and narrations? From Usman to Hussain all of them are shown they died helpless with majority not caring ..... impossible.

That should give you some clues on the patterns which to this day still exist in the name of sectarian using Religion as cover. Muslim world is divided on the sectarian issues that is accumulated of more than 10 sections already.

Even Messengers Jesus of Quran is very different from Jesus of Hear say books ............

Islam came later. Bible came first. But the interpretation has changed within time, the language that was originally revealed is replaced through many languages that came afterwards which then lost the meaning in translation after the centurions of translation; not to mention the odds of keeping the Religion alive throughout the history from under Roman authority to Muslim authority that came later. I guess somewhere in the middle, Religion might have incorporated some concepts from Roman Empire [its religion] hence SUN [GOD], son of GOD,...etc, to preserve its faith like Judaism.

Now you know why Islam is not same as originally revealed in 6th century. Islam came with one sect, and after 1400 years, more than ten sections are born busy arguing over 'only their section is right and the rest is false' in the Muslim dominated world. Muslim world is divided over the sectarian, ethnicity, political ideologies, geographically politics and many more.

Good luck uniting divided 2 billion Muslim world under one banner. Only man of GOD can do it. Today's situation in the Muslim world is beyond repair.

Please do educate me what was purpose of migrating to Madina and what happened in Madina?

Migration to Madinah was the purpose of surviving. If they survived, so could faith. Somebody had to carry the torch for Islam. Similarity, Muslims fought for Pakistan because they could preserve their faith.

Because now Muslim world is established with great difficulty, they are fighting each other over the sectarian, political ideology and ethnicity.

if another Madinah is needed so they could preserve their faith from the followers that practice the same faith as many clamoring for Madinah? Then it is cruel joke which is true somewhat unfortunately that Muslim world has failed truly.

The collapse of Ottoman Empire was the result of combination factors of internal struggle, and Arab betrayal [Arab regions] which they supported British Kingdom against Ottoman Empire for the Arab nationalism that didn't take long after the establishment of Arab Middle East to start fighting with each other in the name of sectarian and political ideologies.

 

[I.R.A]

Now you know why Islam is not same as originally revealed in 6th century. Islam came with one sect, and after 1400 years, more than ten sections are born busy arguing over 'only their section is right and the rest is false' in the Muslim dominated world. Muslim world is divided over the sectarian, ethnicity, political ideologies, geographically politics and many more.

Good luck uniting divided 2 billion Muslim world under one banner. Only man of GOD can do it. Today's situation in the Muslim world is beyond repair.

We do hear slogans of One God, One messenger, One book .............. so if we all revert back to Quran and Quran only I am sure all this division would disappear. But its an uphill task, many stakes are involved that benefit from this division ranging from oil kings to sectarian mullahs. However, it can be achieved amongst common people if they stop listening and working for interests of these kings and mullahs.

Migration to Madinah was the purpose of surviving. If they survived, so could faith. Somebody had to carry the torch for Islam. Similarity, Muslims fought for Pakistan because they could preserve their faith.

Because now Muslim world is established with great difficulty, they are fighting each other over the sectarian, political ideology and ethnicity.

Islam needs a state ............... so your argument keeping Islam separate from state isn't valid when we talk of pure message and practices of Islam.

 

[Shah Khalid]

Yes but the problem is the main root in my humble opinion is that lack of proper education (at school and at home). So why cure this education problem when we can simply sanction by death easily is (y)our mind ?

Gentleman Education Is A Long Term Solution It's Not Like You Teach People Today They Will Become Law Abiding Citizens Tomorrow.

 

[Finer]

We do hear slogans of One God, One messenger, One book .............. so if we all revert back to Quran and Quran only I am sure all this division would disappear. But its an uphill task, many stakes are involved that benefit from this division ranging from oil kings to sectarian mullahs. However, it can be achieved amongst common people if they stop listening and working for interests of these kings and mullahs.

Interesting. ONE GOD, One Messenger, One book. And yet, we have more than 10 sections that believe ONENESS OF GOD, and believe in the prophet-hood of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). In fact, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) prophesied that in End times, there will 73 sections belonging to Islam.

And let's hear your define version of Islam which you deem is correct that should be employed to impose against the billions divided Muslim worlds on sectarian and political ideology.

All i hear is that we should revert back to Holy Quran and Holy Quran only. So that rules out the methods of five times prayers, Duas for Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and His Family, Duas for Prophet Abraham (PBUH) and His Family, Ablution, Hajj and Umrah, Prophecy of End Times, Lifestyle of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) aka Sunnah, Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) that appeals even to today's world, last sermon that serves reminder that no black is superior over white nor white is superior over black except by piety which only GOD knows that hence the point why we are not allowed to judge because only GOD knows the best.

You wanna take Hadiths away from Islam. Be my guest. Without Hadiths, Islam is incomplete. Islam is only complete when you take Holy Quran and Hadiths together. Without hadiths, that rules out the commentary of Holy Quran that provides insight for the background relating to the verses of Holy Quran.

Islam needs a state ............... so your argument keeping Islam separate from state isn't valid when we talk of pure message and practices of Islam.

Islam has states. It is called Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, KSA and many more in Middle East, and the rest of the Muslim worlds. Yet the Muslim world is divided over the sectarian, political ideology and ethnicity.

 

[I.R.A]

Interesting. ONE GOD, One Messenger, One book. And yet, we have more than 10 sections that believe ONENESS OF GOD, and believe in the prophet-hood of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). In fact, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) prophesied that in End times, there will 73 sections belonging to Islam.

Stop ............ Messenger (Peace be upon him) wasn't here to tell prophecies, please he had bigger tasks, read Quran, the message and system proposed there is bigger than prophecies we believe in. And one of these prophecies is coming of a Imam ............ read when was the first time that Mehdi appeared with his black turban army ....... who was the person propagating this narrative and how he used it. Quran holds division and sectarianism a level above shirk ......... it is unacceptable that Messenger would say anything to encourage or make sectarianism and division as final destiny of followers of Islam.

Division and sects have no place in Quran, please tell me what literature promotes this then?

All i hear is that we should revert back to Holy Quran and Holy Quran only. So that rules out the methods of five times prayers, Duas for Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and His Family, Duas for Prophet Abraham (PBUH) and His Family, Ablution, Hajj and Umrah, Prophecy of End Times, Lifestyle of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) aka Sunnah, Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) that appeals even to today's world, last sermon that serves reminder that no black is superior over white nor white is superior over black except by piety which only GOD knows that hence the point why we are not allowed to judge because only GOD knows the best.

O five prayers argument again ........... seriously! okay then why don't all of them pray in similar fashion? O bai rituals are best learnt when witnessed in presence, Nimaz that we offer is a symbolic surrender of ourselves to obey ALLAH, Saalat on the other hand is something greater than symbolic obedience.

Duas are mentioned in Quran ............ ???? So?

Hajj and Umrah have been rendered as one big gathering with rituals ......... ineffectual ....... these gatherings served a bigger purpose and cause in past. You should think why United Nations was created they felt the need for it and used it, we already had a platform and we rendered in ineffectual.

Ends of time ............. understand Quran, its proposed system and you will understand ends of time without any need of a prophecy

Sunnah the acts of Messenger (Peace be upon him) ............. always remember the audience of the message weren't men only, the Messenger had his own personal private life as well. His own adopted son disagreed with Messenger and didn't listen to his advice (its in Quran)

You wanna take Hadiths away from Islam. Be my guest. Without Hadiths, Islam is incomplete. Islam is only complete when you take Holy Quran and Hadiths together. Without hadiths, that rules out the commentary of Holy Quran that provides insight for the background relating to the verses of Holy Quran.

Quran is supreme anything that contradicts Quran is not Islam. As simple as this.

Quran is a message for all the humans to come, please it had nothing to do with backgrounds and situations of people of that time only. It was a book from a start. Don't make it sound as it was only for people of some certain time. Quran interprets itself better than anything else.

Islam has states. It is called Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, KSA and many more in Middle East, and the rest of the Muslim worlds. Yet the Muslim world is divided over the sectarian, political ideology and ethnicity.

No ...... States have Islam attached to their names ........ Pakistan could have been a perfect Islamic state if early leaders had survived some more years.