Than how do we know who did it? Between Pakistan and India, its Pakistan's interests that have been damaged after these attacks.
Not exactly.
I had actually planned to take a leave of this forum which has become a war zone due to Call of Duty trained warriors who know naught and have started posting a whole plethora of nonsense which actually makes one go crazy trying to find something sensible, but your post here, as usual, does cause one to reply, so my reply in multiple quotes.
The interests of Pakistan are not damaged.
I will give you a very good reason. What more adds to the perspective as required to be projected by Pakistan than the mass street protests and angry "Kashmiris" 'loosing patience' and attacking Indian army out of frustration? It will exactly project that there is an active rebellion by local population, something we can expect to see in NS' address to UNGA (aka repeat of 1965 strategy with the hope of substantial support from Saudi Arabia and others in form of arms and funding as being done in Syria; the oppressive regime suppressing its people)
The basic fault in Indian approach has been the political ineptitude that has been displayed by the PDP-BJP government in the state (continuing as I type), wherein they have failed to effectively tackle the violence on streets and have resorted to measures that have merely aggravated the situation for over two months now, leading even a normally quiet Army Commander Northern Command to make a political statement and tell the successive governments in J&K, first the Omar Abdullah government and then the present dispensation to concentrate on governance and to deliver on that at grassroots.
While Omar Abdullah is right that India needs to look at itself and not at Pakistan for the current troubles and this is what I believe too as any adversary would be dumb not to use the weakness of their adversary to keep it off-balance, one needs to look at the role played by his own party and his own family in mismanaging the affairs of the state till date. That he, as the incumbent CM of J&K, did not do anything to provide for governance at a ground level, is an open fact with the then Northern Army Commander Lt Gen KT Parnaik, refusing to toe political line of withdrawal of the AFSPA as was being proposed by Chidambaram and Omar Abdullah in the latter's last few months of governance. A populist move, that was meant to try and get separatist votes and hope to overturn the lack of governance and abject failure of the State Government under his leadership. There was no issue of AFSPA as Indian Army was already out of major cities and limited in its role inside the cities.
Not to sound crude, loss of 17 soldiers for a behemoth such as the Indian Army is not even a drop in the bucket. In fact, loss of 1000 soldiers would not even scratch India's Fighting Capabilities. I know i am sounding very harsh but that's the truth. Killing these 17 soldiers achieves nothing for Pakistan. We are not Vampires here, that thrive on the blood of Indian soldiers. If we really wanted to do some damage, something like the 2008 Mumbai Attacks would have made a much bigger impact
As you gave me the example of a fine colonel who told you about the CI operations in your western provinces and role of RAW in it and I categorically replied that TTP is not our baby, let me extrapolate that to myself and give you the straight answer as someone who has a little bit of idea of the CI operations and the situation on our side.
Firstly, your bold part, that is something I have said so myself, much to chagrin of two Indian members who probably have no idea of military operations (I am assuming here of course) and of the larger constraints that the forces of both sides operate under, irrespective of the fanboy chest beating we see here. I totally agree with you here. Hence, my contention that we need to look at ourselves and strengthen own procedures and take action to remedy the mistakes with suitable consequences of those who were responsible for the lapses.
@Sarge gave quite broad and very encompassing suggestions, and I am sure he speaks out of his own experiences on the other side of the border, and I agree to parts of it at delayed time periods as such a large scale purge of the guilty security officials will create a temporary vacuum in the existing grid due to obvious reasons.
Now for the remainder. There is, at no time, anyone saying that GoP is involved. Leave aside the Indian Hysteria Media. I don't listen to it, I don't care to either. I will tell you exactly what we are saying. The line is 'elements within your set up'. Even if they are non-state actors it is your duty as the sovereign power to hunt them down. Period.
As for a false flag, which many people here are trumpeting after getting affected by few fans of
Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising, I, as someone who wanted to conduct a false flag terror attack in order to get the reasons to seek a confrontation with the neighbouring nation, would have struck some place like Hyderabad, Bangalore or deeper, and given it a nice Kashmiri twist and put up LeT or JeM there.
That would have left Modi with no alternative but to go to war in the backdrop of Mumbai attack. Here, the government can still avoid going to war as the casualties are military casualties and there will be some public anger ad a covert retaliatory strike which will become public and all will be forgotten aka North East ambush type.
So, no @notorious_eagle neither is this a false flag and nor is it any other such type of assault other than that to augment the case at UN with a lame duck US president sitting in office and an effort to put more pressure so that intractable differences can crop up and the whole process of normalisation of relations can be derailed.
I am not saying it was done with blessings of GoP. But knowing how the launch pads operate in the LC environment, I can assure you, someone, somewhere, is involved in your official apparatus.
Thanks
@nair The leave was short!
