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Yeah, I think that is a good idea. I wont mind if KPK builds more damn. I hope people are more mature enough to know that it wont eat away the water of punjab and would help the people of KPK, with their agriculture, power generation and flood control. Also it would be beneficial for the people of Punjab as well. I hope people of Sindh do the same thing, but I guess we know how PPP and the Sindh wadharas work, they probably want people to live poverty and ingorance so they can secure their vote bank. More votes for the Bhutto zombies...
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I have noted with interest the discussion so far. But some points are being neglected.
1. Sindhis are VERY sensitive about their water share. It might be possible to convince them, but they would not accept water being siphoned off by any other province. A case could be made about compensating KPK for lost land, but I doubt if Sindhis would accept.
2. Again, @Armstrong, the reservoir would inundate lands in KPK. So yes Punjab could construct KBD, but why should people of KPK accept that? They need to be compensated some how. Perhaps the affectees can be alloted land in Punjab just as the affectees of Tarbela were alloted land in Punjab (I think).
3. It is funny to see how anti-KBD people have changed their rhetoric. Asfandyar Wali now says that it is not a technical problem, but a human problem. So Nowshera is not in danger from KBD. That is a relief. Shums ul Mulk had often said that Nowshera's problem is with the narrowness of Attock gorge, not KBD.
4. I agree that Green energy is expensive, but a bit necessary under some circumstances. We should focus on Hydel power. Federal government should start a campaign to educate people about KBD. Perhaps in a few year, enough people would be willing to listen for us to have a chance of building KBD.
5. Punjabi reaction to opposition should have been to negotiate. But our reaction was "KBD or nothing". That was not the right approach. Nobody including Sindhis has any problem with run of the river projects. These should have been pursued.
6. Nobody is talking about generation of electricity from our Canal network that exists in varying degrees in four provinces. Punjab alone, reportedly, produce something in excess of 2000 MW. These would be small scale projects and of enormous importance because of short time to build and low cost of operation. In Portugal I saw a really small hydroelectric set up on Rio Ferro in town of Fafe. I felt that we in Pakistan have wasted so much time over KBD and not thought of enormous opportunities in every nook and corner of Pakistan. Heck just GB province could supply whole of Pakistan.
1. Sindhis are VERY sensitive about their water share. It might be possible to convince them, but they would not accept water being siphoned off by any other province. A case could be made about compensating KPK for lost land, but I doubt if Sindhis would accept.
2. Again, @Armstrong, the reservoir would inundate lands in KPK. So yes Punjab could construct KBD, but why should people of KPK accept that? They need to be compensated some how. Perhaps the affectees can be alloted land in Punjab just as the affectees of Tarbela were alloted land in Punjab (I think).
3. It is funny to see how anti-KBD people have changed their rhetoric. Asfandyar Wali now says that it is not a technical problem, but a human problem. So Nowshera is not in danger from KBD. That is a relief. Shums ul Mulk had often said that Nowshera's problem is with the narrowness of Attock gorge, not KBD.
4. I agree that Green energy is expensive, but a bit necessary under some circumstances. We should focus on Hydel power. Federal government should start a campaign to educate people about KBD. Perhaps in a few year, enough people would be willing to listen for us to have a chance of building KBD.
5. Punjabi reaction to opposition should have been to negotiate. But our reaction was "KBD or nothing". That was not the right approach. Nobody including Sindhis has any problem with run of the river projects. These should have been pursued.
6. Nobody is talking about generation of electricity from our Canal network that exists in varying degrees in four provinces. Punjab alone, reportedly, produce something in excess of 2000 MW. These would be small scale projects and of enormous importance because of short time to build and low cost of operation. In Portugal I saw a really small hydroelectric set up on Rio Ferro in town of Fafe. I felt that we in Pakistan have wasted so much time over KBD and not thought of enormous opportunities in every nook and corner of Pakistan. Heck just GB province could supply whole of Pakistan.
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And all parts are made in Pakistan? @balixd tussi kuch aur nai kehray thay or was it someone else who was saying not all parts are made in Pak (i think it was battery) and need to be imported...
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though i never said anything like that but i will add my comments now, one needs more than just Panels and batteries @qamar1990 you need to have a large battery bank for this purpose and i have yet to see any pakistani company making batteries for such a large scale project. you just cannot use a acid battery in a projectt like this as they low life cycle. that why it is highly recommended to use Dry cell batteries, which i dont think any pakistani company is making.
if you want the best life cycle and battery life it would be better to import some good quality ones.
on the other hand it also depends on the quality of the panel we are using, two types of panel u have seen in market are Poly and mono coated.
we have setted up this project on our uncle's farm, we are successfully running a tubewell on solar energy. what we have done is added a VFD unit which converts the DC power coming drom solar panels directly to Tube well, rather than powering up the batteries first. when tubewell is not operational, the panels are charging the battery bank.
when it starts to get dark we switch it to battery bank which lasts through the night
if you want the best life cycle and battery life it would be better to import some good quality ones.
on the other hand it also depends on the quality of the panel we are using, two types of panel u have seen in market are Poly and mono coated.
we have setted up this project on our uncle's farm, we are successfully running a tubewell on solar energy. what we have done is added a VFD unit which converts the DC power coming drom solar panels directly to Tube well, rather than powering up the batteries first. when tubewell is not operational, the panels are charging the battery bank.
when it starts to get dark we switch it to battery bank which lasts through the night
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though i never said anything like that but i will add my comments now, one needs more than just Panels and batteries @qamar1990 you need to have a large battery bank for this purpose and i have yet to see any pakistani company making batteries for such a large scale project. you just cannot use a acid battery in a projectt like this as they low life cycle. that why it is highly recommended to use Dry cell batteries, which i dont think any pakistani company is making.
if you want the best life cycle and battery life it would be better to import some good quality ones.
on the other hand it also depends on the quality of the panel we are using, two types of panel u have seen in market are Poly and mono coated.
we have setted up this project on our uncle's farm, we are successfully running a tubewell on solar energy. what we have done is added a VFD unit which converts the DC power coming drom solar panels directly to Tube well, rather than powering up the batteries first. when tubewell is not operational, the panels are charging the battery bank.
when it starts to get dark we switch it to battery bank which lasts through the night
o ok not you....pata nai kon dasra tha
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Locals are doing very well in south Punjab, but heavily taxed.
Nawaz Sharif is just building his personal empire, at govt. expense.
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Every stupid PM/PRESIDENT did the same!
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though i never said anything like that but i will add my comments now, one needs more than just Panels and batteries @qamar1990 you need to have a large battery bank for this purpose and i have yet to see any pakistani company making batteries for such a large scale project. you just cannot use a acid battery in a projectt like this as they low life cycle. that why it is highly recommended to use Dry cell batteries, which i dont think any pakistani company is making.
if you want the best life cycle and battery life it would be better to import some good quality ones.
on the other hand it also depends on the quality of the panel we are using, two types of panel u have seen in market are Poly and mono coated.
we have setted up this project on our uncle's farm, we are successfully running a tubewell on solar energy. what we have done is added a VFD unit which converts the DC power coming drom solar panels directly to Tube well, rather than powering up the batteries first. when tubewell is not operational, the panels are charging the battery bank.
when it starts to get dark we switch it to battery bank which lasts through the night
is it possible to connect ups to solar panels? and have that charged instead of the car batteries people use right now in pakistan?lol
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Yes. Most, if not all middle class homes have UPS and a battery bank (1,2,3 batteries). Solar power can charge these directly. Also in case nobody has noticed, 12 Volt fans and LED lights are getting proliferating. Hall road Lahore is full of local manufactured DC fans. I evaluated a 12 V ceiling fan and at 25 watts of power consumption, it is a good value for electric efficiency. If small houses are wired for 12V DC power, Solar can do an amazing job. Of course there are DC appliances available, but that would take a little time. Based on my little market survey, I am seriously considering starting solar power solutions company in addition to my textile manufacturing business.
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I think we should welcome German, French and companies from North America to do JV with local companies like PMTF and others to produce windmills, turbines used in power plants/hydro plants and solar panel production in Pakistan and then I am sure local investors can be able to come up with their own solar and wind farms along with some other renewable technologies like Dams, run of river generation and even from Sea as well.
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Though its a great suggestion, the costs needed to be invested aren't simply forthcoming.
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