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10 most Westoxified countries in Asia?

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@Kaptaan Also, note how Indian try to mimic Western culture starting with naming Bollywood after Hollywood. Even going back to the 1960 we had movies like "An Evening in Paris" and "Night in London". Even today all Bollywood, Tollywood etc. movies worth its salt need to have songs or scenes shot in EU or US to attract the audience.


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wait you guys got a actor name johnny walker!

This should be named a night in Glasgow. such a missed opportunity.
 
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wait you guys got a actor name johnny walker!

This should be named a night in Glasgow. such a missed opportunity.

The guys is a christian and well respected commedian in is time, its unlike majority of chinese ppl which take a western name in china and abroad.
 
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The guys is a christian and well respected commedian in is time, its unlike majority of chinese ppl which take a western name in china and abroad.
wasn't making fun of him. Do you not know what Johnny Walker is...
 
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I don't think there's anything to be proud to become westoxufied . Every one should be proud of their own culture and dressing , feeling proud to become like West and wear their dressing is not something to be proud of rather it looks as scarcity of clothe in the country .
Some people feel proud to wear like West and speak English as them but it all shows that you've an inferiority complex especially Indians boost a lot and try to become like the britishers.

For me , West is the least society i would consider to copy dressing choice but when it's about being open minded and tolerant I would surely admire West .
But West is no where close to the greatness of Islam . I hope Muslim countries copying their dressing should realise it and rather pick good habits or knowledge from them .
 
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It i best to take the best of both cultures.From south asian culture i like how take we care of our families like not putting our parents in care homes when they get old.From western culture i like how they take care of their citizens health care education
 
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That is not proof of non westoxification. That is merely Turkishness just like French, Germans, British retain unique aspects despite being "Western". Being "Western" does not imply you are exactly the same. To make a sporting analogy footbal supporters all share love of the game but express in form of so many clubs like Manchester United or Galalatay Istanbul. They all have their own chants, followers, traditions, rivalries but they all share broad contours in loving the game. They all tango to the same beat. Going back to specifics. Spanish have their own unique cuisine, language, art, music etc etc but we know that it is strand of wider canvas called the West. Same can be said of Swedes who have their own unique culture etc. The point being is they are all sub-sets of the West. Even the Germans in WW2 when they were fighting the Allies remained a Western nation.

Exactly. The term "Western" is a very broad term which includes many differing civilizations and cultures. Sometimes even people from Western countries get confused about the boundaries of "Western ideas" which are the engin of cultural Westernization.
For instance, many Westerners today would claim that Socialism/Communism isn't Western in the first place but this is a false assumption to my mind. It is caused by the fact that Europeans/Americans don't look from the outside at their area of culture. They don't know the real limits of Western ideas because today they are part of a specific faction with a hegemonic position within the Western world (=Capitalism/Democracy; EU&USA).

This is the reason why Communist states like North Korea and China are trying to replace ideologies that are perceived "White" as Marxism/Stalinism with something indigenous (even if it does not make sense at all): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche

From this perspective, I would even include North Korea to your list of Westernized countries.

A Spanish, a German or a Greek are differant but all stand on the same platform - West.

You're right but you've chosen the only member state of the inner circle of the Western world to underline your arguments whose position among this group has always raised debates : Greece.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenoturkism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Party

To this day, a significant portion of the Greek people don't accept themselves to be European. If they go to Western Europe for studying/living/working, they usually refer to this region as "Evrópi" (linguistically excluding Greece from [West] Europe).

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https://books.google.de/books?id=6zRe0oKyD6gC&lpg=PA47&ots=Xv4631w-Xx&dq

Turkey is rather unique in this by being Muslim therefore is not part of the inner circle but still is on the outer orbit of the West. Japanese/South Korea and Singapore are more Western then Turkey because there is nothing at all separating them from the West. However their distance and racial divergency also prevents them being part of the inner circleand are relegated to where Turkey is - on the orbit of the West.

Turkey by now would have been accepted in the inner circle even being Muslim. The problem has been the term "Muslim" is now seen as dirty in the West primarily because they associate that term with Third World. If Turkey was exposition of only Muslim country [along with Kosova/Bosnia] by now Turkey would in the inner circle. However Muslim is defined by the majority who live in Asia and Africa. Therefore "Muslim" hangs like a weight around Turkish necks that forces them to stand outside the fence despite the Greeks or Cypriots being in.

My personal observation is that Western Europeans who have been in Japan and Turkey tend to see Turkey as more "Western" than Japan even though they recognize the major cultural differences between themselves and Turks. But this is just my feeling. I could be wrong. However, you're right. I also do believe that Turkey is the only Muslim nation that the Western world is ready to consider as equal if we accept the rules, values and social guidelines of what is considered as "European" by Western Europeans. Personally, I never will see myself as European or Middle Eastern.

I know this because Turkish Islam does nor even remotely look like Pakistani Islam let alone Saudi Islam. Turkish Islam is more self confident and stands equal to Cathlicsism in Europe and evinces Ottoman might whereas Saudi or Pak Islam carries the seeds of defeat. It is ridden with inferiority complex and not able to handle the modern world.

Historically, the Turkish Islam (Sunni) was closer to Protestantism; Shias were closer to Catholicism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turco-Calvinism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Turkish_piracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_and_Islam

This is why some Western scientists described the ideology and work ethic of AKP as "Calvinistic".

http://www.esiweb.org/index.php?lang=en&id=156&document_ID=69

Now you understand why political conflicts between German and the Dutch people on the one hand and us Turks on the other hand are so fundamental for many in Ankara and Berlin/Den Haag. Protestants were always our closest European allies and this has just changed.

Liever Turks dan Paaps ("Rather Turkish than Papist"), also Liever Turksch dan Paus ("Rather Turkish than Pope"), was a Dutch slogan during the Dutch Revolt of the end of the 16th century. The slogan was used by the Dutch mercenary naval forces (the "Sea Beggars") in their fight against Catholic Spain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liever_Turks_dan_Paaps

Again, sorry for my English.
 
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Again, sorry for my English.
Your English is excellent. I must say that your posts are always very incisive and display a intellect that I hope takes you to do great things. I have no idea if you are a student and if so what subject your doing. do tell us please.

Almost all the points you make are valid. Just want to qualify few comments. You mentioned the Greeks. Frankly I have always considered the Greeks to be a Levantine peoples. Their entire interaction in most of history has been with Anatolia, Levant and Egypt. To underline the "look east" posture that Alexander chose to head east and ended up marking his empire in what is now Pakistan.
What has happened is Western Europe did very well in the last 500 years and needed a ancient civilization that they could latch on to to garner a feeling of pedigree. Something like how Blacks in America clutch at ancient Egypt as a starting point for Black history in order to embelish their culture.

And Marxism was cultivated in the womb of the Western world - London. Karl Marx's entire thoughts are based on his understanding of the socio-economic forces he saw playing out in Western Europe. It was the dark, dirt industrial cities of Western Europe with millions of ppor workers slaving away in miserable conditions that gave Marx the impetus behind his work. In that sense is a Western "religion" which has been exported to China, North Korea etc

And kediksen I am thinking of taking a holday in Turkey next year. If you have any suggestions please let me know. This is family holiday so keep that in mind. No drinking or clubbing etc.
 
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Al-e Ahmed describes Iranian behavior in the twentieth century as being "Weststruck." The word was play on the dual meaning of "stricken" in Persian, which meant to be afflicted with a disease or to be stung by an insect, or to be infatuated and bedazzled.[4] "I say that gharbzadegi is like cholera [or] frostbite. But no. It's at least as bad as sawflies in the wheat fields. Have you ever seen how they infest wheat? From within. There's a healthy skin in places, but it's only a skin, just like the shell of a cicada on a tree .

more than 50 years past since his book came out and there was a revolution against western establishments in Iran . and I think we are still at start of the road . if you ask why things are moving so slow take a look

these people are our elites and first line of fighters against gharbzadegi
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As I understand it, you also classify Russia as part of the West?
 
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