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If people are influenced by me of their *own* accord, then that is fine. i.e. they have a positive view of me due to my actions, character, manners, etc, and then later on learn about me being Muslim, and choose of THEIR OWN ACCORD that Islam is also a good path for them, THEN that is entirely...

If you have no problems projecting yourself as belligerently as that...then no wonder other people are not going to consider us as such peaceful people.

I will leave reputed Turk members to respond to this. But rest assured, the 'Islamism' of Turkey, resting upon its still secular government institutions, esp military, is a world apart from that of Pakistan. With regard to the bolded part, does sectarianism ring a bell...?

I am content enough about my faith. But I will not use it to influence others. Or to tell them they will go to hell if they abandon such and such. When people see us stating things like "someone will go to hell if he/she abandons Islam", then yes, there is a high probability they will...

And the Prophet (PBUH) would say pray to God/Allah, and not to make an Idol out of me. In the end, doing what is best for the collective is what matters. And Jinnah was the person available at that time to do that. Who said anything about converting to Christianity & Judaism??? Are you...

And what will make us stand on our feet? Sectarianism, ethnocentrism, feudalism, ... ? How much exactly have we looked towards the Chinese indeed, besides some military/defence cooperations? lolzzz It's not about them abandoning Islam. But rather them looking at us and seeing us as...

Just imagine what our Chinese friends, on whose support we rely on for so many things, will think when they read something like this. Maybe there is a reason after all for such low people-to-people ties between Pak & China, even though it has been 60+ years. :disagree:

With all due respect, it was Jinnah that made Pakistan a reality to you and me, not Prophet (PBUH). His determination to create the state rested upon providing future safety and prosperity of the Muslim populace. Surely, he had some idea of how best to run things in the current day and age...

Thanks for covering that bit... :cheers:

Gandhi, a Hindu, offered (even begged?), Jinnah, a Muslim, to be PM for the remainder of his life of a single united subcontinent nation, to refrain him from "breaking up" the subcontinent into separate states. Why did Jinnah refuse? Jinnah asked Gandhi what will happen after I am dead...

Pakistan was created for the safety (and future prosperity) of *Muslims* in an otherwise overly Hindu dominated subcontinent -- not exactly *Islam* per se.

(In the India hyperpower future...) Maybe US will sell high tech weapons to Pak & China to get help in containing India! :woot:

That's Madam, with a capital M, to you (ugly ;)) Indians............:) And how much India will be able to hide with ISI (a CIA arm.....) sitting across the border........;)

Ah but on that day...like certain world powers are pursuing the "contain China policy" today...will perhaps be pursuing the same towards India. :azn: I wonder how India will respond to that. :pop:

?? India wants to rule the world?! :angel:

lol If China can manage it, looks like they have room for a billion more people in their western half. :lol:

Rs11bn for railways approved by cabinet ISLAMABAD (30th December 2010): The federal cabinet approved on Wednesday a Rs11.1 billion bailout package for the Pakistan Railways to enable it to repair 145 locomotives, improve dilapidated tracks and maintain strategic fuel reserves. A meeting of...

350 megawatts power production by next year: KESC CEO KARACHI (December 30, 2010) : Chief Executive Officer (CEO), Karachi Electric Supply Company (KESC) Tabish Gouhar has said that 560 MW under construction units will start producing 350 MW power by next year. Speaking at a meeting of...

Power tariff reduced by Rs 2.09 per unit in four months ISLAMABAD (updated on: 2010-12-30 00:33:36 PST): The government has reduced power tariff at the rate of Rs 2.09 per unit during the last four months under the monthly fuel price adjustment to provide relief to the consumers. A...

Hello Asim, Question: aren't my "thanks" (to others from me) counts supposed to go down if a post (that I thanked), or thread a post was in, got deleted?? The "thanked" (from others to me) had gone down before when a thread was deleted. I dunno, maybe you changed policies??