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Bottom line is... گرتے ہیں شہسوار ہی میدان جنگ میں He perished doing what he was good at and enjoyed... he perished in his chosen uniform... what more can a mortal ask for something that is inevitable...

Everyone knows about stalls but there is a lesser known category of stalls that happens at high speed during maneuvers (turns and loops)... this is because the "angle of attack" (thus the "critical angle of attack" just before stall) is between "wing chord" and "relative wind" and not the "head...

Sorry boss, looks like its pretty confusing to keep track now with so many crashes of MIG-this and MIG-that all from IAF (and only from IAF and no other AF) in the last month or so...

Uss ke sharam saye phutt gai ho gee hawa main... lol

"Thaa'nk you, that would be Fun-Tas-Tick"... :omghaha:

close but it does not have the right "spice level"... lol

Though it is worrisome that they managed to come in, albeit for a few minutes... It is very much possible that the earlier two were decoy IAF sorties... There is no excuse for any intrusion without immediate punishment meted especially if the third CAP was scrambled and in position... Friendly...

It will have references to Jordanian F16s and photos of Taiwanese AMRAAMs... :cuckoo: Did anyone notice them say AMRAAM... they sounded more like "RAM RAM... RAM RAM..."

Every few years something happens (maybe "false flag" ones too) and the Indian's get their itch back... They go to their current backer (russia, us, aliens take your pick), ask their permission and then do something stupid to test the waters again... These "strikes" are not really seriously...

Why don't we release the pilot but keep his extensive "moonch" as POW... I would love to go to a war museum and find a trophy exhibit with caption "Tail of IAF MIG21 shot down over AJ&K and forever POW moonch of the downed Bison's pilot"... I think that would be "Fun-Tas-Tick" like the tea...

Gentlemen, Dr. (that he is not!) Amir Liaqat just felt the power of a desert camo DMS aka "the boot"...

This cracked me up man... LOL...

This is vigilance (or heightened sense of awareness) that comes after anything that is of deep psychological impact and is a very natural response... this is also what I have heard of from a ton of armymen... is this PTSD??? What is considered PTSD is a clinical diagnoses that affects daily...

Glad to read some rational attempt to make sense of it... I do not agree that it has anything to do with some groups having more stomach for "acceptance of violence in civilian life"... Sindhis, Punjabis, Pathans or Balochs are very hospitable people but that does not mean they are pushovers...

I am sorry I said what I said in the previous post, this is a solemn thread and I will henceforth make a conscious effort to refrain from stating/explaining the root cause of this and similar atrocities... by the way whatever happened on LOC (and even working boundary Sialkot sector etc) was a...

Oh Lord!... @Screambowl can you please go to some IA forum (what was it hindu rakhshash or something like that) and give the same advice there only saying that Pakistan is not the enemy but some XYZ is... Dude you guys even cheat in a Kabuddi match when it comes to Pakistan v. India... YES TTP...

@orangzaib I mostly agree with what you mentioned... Do consider that we have documented cases of PTSD or other discontent causing extremely distructive behavior and even suicide in IA (especially in demanding theaters like in Kashmir) but there has been no such report (that I have ever heard...

What you mentioned is correct, Army Brats will only join officer ranks for that is a tradition... then again an NCO's son can become a COAS as well... And you will not find a Lance Naik or Sepoy that is BA/BSc degree holder... but those are also from the same "martial race" from the same...

I am sorry but all I can say is that what @Armstrong is saying is precisely what my experience is... I am an Army Brat and have NEVER heard of anyone doing anything to his fellow soldiers or family or anyone else or a nervous breakdown for that matter after a tour of duty... I could be an...

Off topic indeed, my apologies for diverging, but such is my experience. It might be an exception but I stated what I have observed all my youth and adult life (to date). Zero reports of PTSD from the veterans and injured veterans as well but these are all personal experiences. I am not denying...