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Have you ever heard of Occam's razor ? a simple explanation with few assumptions is more likely to be true, I'd take a scientific explanation over fairytales anyday. The first cause argument is probably the lamest , tell me who created God? I agree, I have read the rules , best to avoid...

lol - No . I am merely pointing out where the burden of proof lies, especially when pseudoscientific claims are used.

I guess she has Not :D they don't teach that in Pakistani textbooks where they can rote learn it Dear Burden of proof rest upon you to prove the existence of your deity not the rejectors Teapot analogy is the best answer to theist's fallacious ‘absence of evidence is not evidence of absence’...

I am not sure we are allowed to discuss pure theology here, I am getting you have an untraditional theological view. a pantheistic, a certain more degree rational than an a ''celestial dictator'' view. common among liberal muslims

By conservative logic , it is ''fashionable'' to be an atheist/agnostic/ahmedi or pretty much anyone anti-islamist in a country where minorities are lynched and has a barbaric medieval style blasphemy law. the generation which is the overzealous zia era generations, trust me I feel sorry for...

''cultural muslim'' ?

As I said they never bother about it , god was never relevant. I think there are plenty of atheists in pakistan not many openly for obvious reasons, I usually hang out within Liberal circles but yes It is suffocating in a country like Pakistan which is neck deep in religious fundamentalism...

It is really nice to know this @OP .. since Even moderately open Atheist or even an unconventional atheist can face a lot of problems In Pakistan from becoming a social pariah, facing discrimination to facing death threats. irreligious yes, they never bothered about religion tbh

I dont think one can legally be an atheist in Pakistan, Pakistani Law does not even recognize that. Most atheists/agnostics including myself are Muslims in Papers

A welcome step, But I hope more concrete and practical steps are taken for their protection from the barbaric Blasphemy law and genocidal mullah mobs. real breakthrough will come when Pakistani constitution is made secular.

Edited, This forum is prone to lags and glitches I guess Allama Iqbal and current world created by Non Muslims

Rabindranath Tagore was genius and unparalleled to Iqbal even if we count only their Literary accomplishments He didn't guide his nation to anything, moreover further confused them. From being an Islamist in the morning (propagating Medieval romanticised islamic state) to admiring and...

You have your religion. I'm a philosopher. You don't question what you believe. I must. -Hypatia of Alexandria

It can still be an elective subject but making a religious dogma a compulsory Academic subject which is taught to even the the youngest of students is by definition Fascist and amounts to indoctrination.

Hijab is indeed problematic and a production of patriarchal society but any one thinking that they have the right to regulate women's bodies "for their own good" or any other reason is also part of the patriarchy ergo a problem.

Established ? Maybe in the mind of overzealous Jingoists who cant see past the lies of their textbooks Typical appeal to authority fallacy, oh so mighty IQBAL cant be even comprehended by us heathens? and only by mard-e-momins of Iqbal which btw is a plagiarised Idea from Nietzsche's Ubermensch.

Scientology is ridiculous If it is seriously believed in. Church of flying spaghetti monster makes as much sense as Zenu. Agnosticism FTW

Making it secular/pluralistic should be the first priority. Removing Islamiat as a compulsory subject. Islamisation as a result of Zia Regime needs to be reversed ASAP

This is typical appeal to authority fallacy. I can only be sorry If you have been indoctrinated from youth not to question what you have been taught in the textbooks yes he was deep, in confusion and cognitive dissonance, Is your only defense of Iqbal is that he is considered a hero in state...