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LOL, after IA killed record numbers of terrorists sent from pakistan in 2018, IK and PA trying desperately to revive a lost cause. This is not the 90s no more, and those years are never coming back(no matter how much pakistanis wish for it to be so), Op. Tupac has failed. Pakistanis should...

You literally described almost every intergovernmental organization out there, including the UN. Guess what, this particular way of doing things is here to stay. How greylisting will affect pakistan...

ISRO wasn't too high up the to-do list for our government either and during the 60s-70s India and pakistan's economy weren't that different. ISRO had started off with literally nothing. You will need real vision if pakistan wants to become a true space faring nation. Decide 30-40 years in...

You have a twitter handle?

Who is MTCR? MTCR is an inter-governmental organization to prevent missile and UAV proliferation. There's a reason why both Pakistan and China are not in the MTCR. MTCR's research is more comprehensive and real than what a few people on an internet forum can drum up. MTCR would(because of the...

If by money you mean operating expenses, then the billion dollar company will have more money and in all probability, also have a better standing in the market than the smaller company. Profit and loss are just trends for large companies. And by that standard, does a loss making Apple have more...

Jeez, now don't go and pat yourself on the back for sticker-screwdriving a piston engined basic trainer which is basically a swedish knock off. PAC is nowhere near HAL which is among the top arms producing companies in the world...

With these babies employed, there's not much pakistani warships can do.

Aaaah, pakistanis dreaming of US departure from Afghanistan and for India to involve itself in a war we have no business in, like pakistan did and is now suffering.

I suggest you read the whole thread and not just the first page, doing so is succumbing to confirmation bias. As for electronics like the INS, as per MTCR, pakistan does not make such high tech avionics for missiles. And likewise, I have never seen any confirmatory news from pakistani sources...

You do have a choice, state universally accepted facts and debate without resorting to logical fallacies, It's really that simple. If your pov is correct then you won't have to go off-topic. You have to realise, I too thought Babur was completely R&Ded by pakistan and took the initial reports...

This is exactly what debates with pakistanis devolve into. After having lost the debate you lot usually spew off-topic nonsense and personal remarks to compensate for the fact that you lost the debate. Either stick to the topic or have the gall to actually learn what you are actually arguing about.

LOL, the only thing my -ve ratings show are all the times facts have offended people, I'd be happy to oblige again. Also, no need to pretend, you are calling for help and going for the ad-hominem response only coz you don't know about the very subject you are arguing about. Don't worry though...

No disagreements there. I too don't think Babur is some pseudo derivative of Tomahawk either. My main quandary was people re-repeating the same hearsay about how Babur was some reverse engineered Tomahawk. As for how much pakistan learned from the crashed Tomahawk and were able to successfully...

Spec ops teams can operate (at least in most cases) in areas independently from wherever they are currently situated, for all we know, they were never in LOC but were brought there for this specific attack. Or they were always in the LOC, just that the pakistani public wasn't aware of it, since...

Well, then I guess the pakistan foreign office and the various pakistani litterati I quoted are trolls. What a "think" tank you are.

BAT aren't foot soldiers, they don't patrol the LOC like the normal grunts. They are specialised small interdiction teams that attack and then go back across the LOC. Only special forces would attempt something like the above, so yes they were in all probability SSG.

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