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  1. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Muslim Pakistan versus Islamic Pakistan - Which Was Jinnah’s Vision?

    Sole soul! Abraham(A.S), his epiphany, divine guidance... none other but him and then his progeny. Termites such as your kind existed back then... in awe and splendor of Nimrod... and he is known only for his protagonist, Abraham! Get it‽ The three, all of whom proclaim him today run and...
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    Muslim Pakistan versus Islamic Pakistan - Which Was Jinnah’s Vision?

    Of course you wouldn't see the substance... the above questions will mandate the reader on true inquiry... dig deeper, get into the details... that however may not be suitable for those engaged in shaping operation... one for the narrative. I'm not partaking in a popularity contest, and as such...
  3. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Muslim Pakistan versus Islamic Pakistan - Which Was Jinnah’s Vision?

    Blissfully ignorant bringing discourse to their level. Patting themselves on the back, pseudo intellectuals, wannabes, confused and the minions. Let's unwind a bit. Why west needed secularism? Why the church needed to be separated from the state? Why state and church both collect their due...
  4. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Muslim Pakistan versus Islamic Pakistan - Which Was Jinnah’s Vision?

    A Parody really. Dwelling on stereotypes, you forget your own reflection. Rioting is a part time profession. Less so now but significant historically. Have Google help you. English Civil wars stopped as they started projecting their men on foreign wars... and aggression outside... not much...
  5. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Muslim Pakistan versus Islamic Pakistan - Which Was Jinnah’s Vision?

    I don't know what you've been smoking... every single Pakistani on this forum puts ills of the state on Zia, a military dictator. The state, it's rulers and politicians by no mean have been all Mullah... but your trojan is a fringe candidate... reflecting frailty of the argument itself...
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    Pakistan : A Greater Punjab Project ? پنجاب کی کہانی ایک پنجابی کی زبانی

    Instead, to each their own! Language, clan, ancestral abodes. The covenant should Instead be to accept mutual peace. Accept the basics... rule your own, govern yourself. Partake in regional and national cause as a call to duty... defend with a call to arms. It leaves out distortions, powerplay...
  7. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Muslim Pakistan versus Islamic Pakistan - Which Was Jinnah’s Vision?

    Is that a judgment on my observation? Mock? Satan is another word in Qur'an... are we going to play this game now?
  8. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Muslim Pakistan versus Islamic Pakistan - Which Was Jinnah’s Vision?

    And that is the crux of the problem. They could have diverging(ent) views... reflecting "their" understanding. Can we allow the same impunity to us, ourselves? Why using their shoulders to push phony, personal or proxy agendas? Now that we know better... We know the Western discourse better...
  9. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Muslim Pakistan versus Islamic Pakistan - Which Was Jinnah’s Vision?

    The only reason I gave him that example is because in contemporary U.S it is considered a spiritual connection with the past, when Latin is no longer a spoken language... it is considered reverent and traditional.
  10. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Muslim Pakistan versus Islamic Pakistan - Which Was Jinnah’s Vision?

    Earth, flat or a sphere? One is true other not, justify both... This is the crux of the matter! Self rule! Islamic answer to those that don't commit. Not secularize... A majority will only relent under deep sustained coercion.
  11. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Muslim Pakistan versus Islamic Pakistan - Which Was Jinnah’s Vision?

    لَآ إِكْرَاهَ فِى ٱلدِّينِ ۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ ٱلرُّشْدُ مِنَ ٱلْغَىِّ ۚ فَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِٱلطَّـٰغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنۢ بِٱللَّهِ فَقَدِ ٱسْتَمْسَكَ بِٱلْعُرْوَةِ ٱلْوُثْقَىٰ لَا ٱنفِصَامَ لَهَا ۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ ٢٥٦ "Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly...
  12. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Muslim Pakistan versus Islamic Pakistan - Which Was Jinnah’s Vision?

    As such the inanimate peaks, plains and rivers, religion thus is found AWOL ... geographical terms either are meaningless or represent their imminent occupants/inhabitants. It need not say Islamic but to a polemic, insistent on both the proponent and his subject population must cite his/their...
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    Why is our full history not taught to us in Pakistan Studies?

    Like day and night, Tamer! Diametrically opposed to each other... One a popularity contest the other your best foot forward. One counting bodies the other unison. One divisive... the other uniting. One where opportunists present their case... the other where people present a unanimous...
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    US fears vulnerability may force Pakistan deeper into debt

    Consumption based economic model is coming to a head. As the global population hits a peak in coming decades, the consumer economies themselves face stagnation. Perpetual production cycle ends... and with that the glut of all the product that has become an environmental disaster. People who've...
  15. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Why is our full history not taught to us in Pakistan Studies?

    Pakistan as a state is NOT Islamic by any metric. It is a nation state, carved and established on western standards. Let that sink in... It is a fallacy to assume that Pakistan or for that matter any state after the initial period has been truly on the principles of Islam. Your argument is a...
  16. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Why is our full history not taught to us in Pakistan Studies?

    Contrary to the jingoist brouhaha on this thread the real world implementation of secularism is in the garb of stealth... through media, popular culture, government/private spending and PR campaigns. It reflects in monopolistic control of narrative, breakdown of social order, development and...
  17. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Why is our full history not taught to us in Pakistan Studies?

    This thread exemplifies how third world(former direct colonies) starts owning and rationalizing fallacy riddled narratives to implement them on their citizens(plug and play). Ones talking democracy have no idea, no beacon, paragon or ideal to look up to or achieve, neither the ones peddling...
  18. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Why is our full history not taught to us in Pakistan Studies?

    I gathered... most likely another manchild! Joke is on me though, keep tumbling on tripwire of these kids running amok on the forum. Play instead with the emogies they reflect your situation better.
  19. OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ

    Why is our full history not taught to us in Pakistan Studies?

    Seriously, every other dude on this forum has an ego fit for a Pharoah... you "mad sar" be exceeding him, the Pharoah, in a duel, around for 1400 years. Are you claiming the status of the one with solitary eye? The dispenser of truth in the digital age... waiting just for the opportune moment...
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