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  1. R Wing

    Discussion: Illegal crackdown on PTI

    Finally. These clowns. When their power is threatened, anybody and everybody --- regardless of how sound, real, deserved, or rational the criticism is --- will be labeled anti-state, a propagandist falling for foreign 5th gen war, yada yada yada... When Pro-Pakistan Propaganda includes...
  2. R Wing

    Pakistan Army takes notice of Propaganda Campaign to Defame armed forces: ISPR

    THANK YOU Why is the Army a holy cow? I just don't get it.
  3. R Wing

    Pakistan Army takes notice of Propaganda Campaign to Defame armed forces: ISPR

    The criticism is solely around its powers as a deep state, since (unlike India, Israel, Turkey, Iran, China, the UK, the US, etc etc etc etc) it also runs the main intelligence agency of the country. No smart / modern state allows this. This gives it largely unaccountable powers and little...
  4. R Wing

    Pakistan Army takes notice of Propaganda Campaign to Defame armed forces: ISPR

    Both possible positions of the army are indefensible: being part of the PDM conspiracy, as seems increasingly plausible, or neutrality, which seems absurd when you KNOW (as the ISI KNOWS) how corrupt, vile, and treasonous the PDM politicians are. There is no "win" scenario for the Army here.
  5. R Wing

    Pakistan Army takes notice of Propaganda Campaign to Defame armed forces: ISPR

    But @blain2 will never admit to these gross injustices. We must all be understanding, you see, because the Army has its own system.
  6. R Wing

    Pakistan Army takes notice of Propaganda Campaign to Defame armed forces: ISPR

    Blain Sb, the dangerous tendency here is not about amount of sensitivity to the street. We can all agree that they are very sensitive about that, since it legitimates their power monopoly (which, by all modern/comparative definitions is exceptional, unaccountable, and deep state-esque). Unless...
  7. R Wing

    When Even Healthy Criticism = "Anti State Activities"

    I'm sorry, but we've heard many such twists for decades. That the uninformed civilians don't know the classified masterplan that the generals have cooked up to save the country --- except, decades have passed and we haven't seen any of it really work out. THE STATUS QUO SUITS THE GENERALS...
  8. R Wing

    Pakistan Army takes notice of Propaganda Campaign to Defame armed forces: ISPR

    Nobody goes on their own. And any hope we had of the others showing some spine and shame has now gone down the drain too. Only people power. The only language understood is power --- and the only power anybody can have over the deep state is in the organization of a huge number of patriots...
  9. R Wing

    Pakistan Army takes notice of Propaganda Campaign to Defame armed forces: ISPR

    Can't do anything to deter RAW funding/arming/launching proxies to kill our people --- might as well declare defenseless social media activists enemies of the state, ala banana republic.
  10. R Wing

    Will The Chief Justice Prove His Worth !

    Good to know that your piece of turd is worth at least Rs. 0.01.
  11. R Wing

    Indians From Shithole Criticise US : American Professor

    They're all like that. Some are brave (and stupid) enough to express it.
  12. R Wing

    When Even Healthy Criticism = "Anti State Activities"

    FIA arrested a bunch of people for "maligning state institutions." What is the precise law that bars anybody from rationally criticizing Pakistan's institutions (civ or mil)? In the meantime, the Army's top brass again expressed confidence in General Bajwa's leadership. Not even a bad comedy...
  13. R Wing

    IMRAN KHAN: Neither the army nor foreign powers can save Pakistan / true democracy

    IK's video message before the Peshawar Jalsa mentions how only truly patriotic people can save this country and its 'democracy,' not the army or foreign powers. I hope his language gets clearer and he exposes the snakes, regardless of institution more directly. Source...
  14. R Wing

    TTP raid on army post Waziristan.

    The top brass is to blame. If they had been less busy with politicking and real estate management, we would have had a STRATEGY to deter RAW-backed proxies. The only way peace is achieved, as any realist will tell you, is through deterrence. Deterrence works primarily through costs and...
  15. R Wing

    Discussion: Illegal crackdown on PTI

    The Imperial British Army in the Raj looked at the land it was supposed to defend as predominantly a fiefdom that needed to be protected principally to protect the Imperial project, not as a goal in itself. While defense was certainly a big part of their duties, their actual institutional...
  16. R Wing

    Please do not abuse all army personnel

    Obvious to everyone except a few who have fallen for the info warfare of the deep state, who are portraying patriotic Pakistanis as some sort of fifth column hell-bent on disintegrating the fauj and country. Bhai, these were the same people who were the best defenders of the fauj ---- but the...
  17. R Wing

    Please do not abuse all army personnel

    It's obvious. People are just falling for the aggressive counter-propaganda that has ALWAYS been used to shield the army from meaningful oversight, accountability, and criticism.
  18. R Wing

    PM Imran Khan vs Opposition No Confidence Vote- Updates and Discussion

    That's the thing. They don't realize that the PTI 'lot' was the best patriots they could have ever asked for. Savvy about 5th gen/hybrid, calling out India, aware of foreign intervention, and always defending Pakistan and even the army. Yet................ That's why, if IK can take a break...
  19. R Wing

    Please do not abuse all army personnel

    NOBODY means it in that way. Nobody says "the board of Goldman Sachs" when referring to the financial meltdown on Wall St in 2008. Or the "cabinet of the government" --- you just say "the government." Everybody knows that using the term generally means that one is referring to its top brass...
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