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you are as clueless :lol:````I dont even know where to start to educated someone has no basic knowledge of how aviation and complicated industry works. Turkey is nobody in this field, its a fact, cant change by few licensed production line as you cluelessly claimed

you need to breed more braincells to say funny things like [the Sacrifice of minorities... for the well being of the majority?]``and funny thing about you that keep saying [reading, learning histories]``:lol:```I guess we are the only people on the planet that can lie down, pick a real original...

forget about Turkey's 5th gen project. it is as realistic as India to become superpower in 2012````you just cant by pass the stage of accumulating necessary know-how, industrial mass and experience of developing, making 2nd, 3rd and 4th gen fighters to jump into 5th gen, period! I can bet for...

helplessly brainwashed nutcase, still lives in the Cold War era``how can you educate a person with its limited brain```or how can you civilize a barbarian when its still eating raw```? I feel realy sorry for him. a life living in hatred and sheer ignorance how many Armenians you Turks have to...

I dont care who is false flagger or not, I only have two interests here: sharing thoughts and infos, and 把玩三哥· :lol:

lots stuff been delayed, its a norm in complicated weapons system development, it happens to us, U.S and Russia all the time```but still within normal limits, very much different from India's delay``:lol:

it seems like```````

I'm still waiting for any news regarding J-10D, more excited than J-11D :D`````they said big change!

lol, to simpleton and ignorant wannabes "real" is confined to closthes and way of marrying tuxedos :lol:```linear and simpleton. have you even attend any Chinese weddings in China? every bit of the procedure are the same as what our ancestors did you funny simpleton :D```but we are very open...

these highlighted ones are contradicting with your claim of doing it on your own. as I stated previously, that fuselage wasnt done with few sketches and "brillant" thoughts``every bit of curves, shapes, this and that are supported by the datas collected from hundreds of thousand hours...

lol, said by a funny and extremely deluded and ignorant Indian`` lol, said by a funny and extremely deluded and ignorant Indian`` so you have just confirmed that your brain is still infested with Cold War ideologies and nonsensical propaganda`` no wonder you are stuck with the same company...

based on rumors and speculations```not fact```I personally would feel very lucky to see WS-15 operational during that time frame```` based on rumors and speculations```not fact```I personally would feel very lucky to see WS-15 operational during that time frame````

never heard of that project````but I am really curious that on what bases they come-up with the idea of developing a "single-engined 5th gen platform"```:lol:

these highlighted ones are not easy things to do, more complicated than you thought```to code the software achitect and rounding up thousands of mathmetical equations alone can rule out most of countries (developed), and then it comes to debugging, "tuning" and systemetic integration which even...

J-10C is a very good fighter```and J-10D is going to be another beast`````I'm just saying, and I didnt cross the line :D it is the only hope`````that I can assure````or J-10C/D can also be very very very good to deal with few Indian jets``

FC-20 is J-10 export version's designation,```J-20 is not for export, and it will be lucky that WS-15 will be mature in 2022````apart from the U.S there is no one, except China has an on going realistic 5th gen high thrust turbofan engine in development, not even Russia. high performance...

where did you get that info, or just your thought of convenience?

the official shipborne 5th gen stealth fighter has not been revealed yet, how can you be sure of that? as far as I know H20 is going to have its own turbofan engine```could be a new model that is based on WS-10's core```but the problem facing them now is how to reduce the tempreture of exhasut...

and what is the reason that your people are dying to live primitive and feudal alike country?```is that because your former master the British royal army took oath infront of the majesty? :lol: you funny primitive thing``` so according to you that we are "not" communist, and then what is the...

we are working very well under the name of "communism" much better than "free" democratic lala land. :D and also loads of overseas Americans told the world that what U.S really is```