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    PAKISTAN NAVY SIGNS ORDER FOR TWENTY INDIGENOUS GUN BOATS - Oct 2022 .

    Agreenthat MRTP Wwould have been verry valuable if acquired in numbers. The issue was the harpoon itself. The US refused to allow its integration for PN vessels. ATMACA may solve this issue but i think that just started deliveries for Turkish navy this year. Well, what do you propose to use...
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    Pakistan Navy upgrading type zulfiquar class frigate

    Would love it if this were true. I have clamored for this for a few years. @Bilal Khan (Quwa) can attest that i prayed the CAMM-ER into existence. Problem is would they utilize the standard vls (single pack) which would allow for probably 12-16 missiles or can they go get a Sylver A50 or Mk-41...
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    PAKISTAN NAVY SIGNS ORDER FOR TWENTY INDIGENOUS GUN BOATS - Oct 2022 .

    I dont actually agree with the statement that missiles will undermine the efficacy of these vessels. I think we here fixate on large anti-ship missiles in the setting of naval warfare between large surface combatants. I think short range anti-tank weapons like Utmas and Hellfire or even...
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    Pakistan Navy | News & Discussions.

    These resemble Azmat class FAC. Likely a miniaturized (maybe 250-300t) version probably done with Swift Ships assistance. With STOP and STAMP-2 they should be highly effective for policing harbors, anti-narcotics and anti-piracy work. Based on the images, it should be large enough to even...
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    Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

    I think Talwar vs 054A is a wash. 054A is handily superior in the air defense realm with its vls, although the weapons themselves are essentially the same system (derivatives of Buk). The difference is the Talwar use the single arm launcher and from what ive read it launches 1 every 8 seconds...
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    Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

    India is technically the CO-developer of brahmos so it wouldn't be subject to such restrictions
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    Pakistan Naval Aviation - Updated

    Why would they go for swordfish? The swordfish literally has similar to comparable systems as sea eagle and sea sultan. The only difference is the sensors on one will be ericcson whereas the other are Leonardo. Why would they share better info with erieye? You are assuming this because they have...
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    Induction ceremony of ATR-77 held at Karachi - 29 Sep 2022 | ISPR

    MADs to my understanding are not as relevant as they once were and the acoustic sensor suites on modern MPA are far more sensitive than the mads on aircraft like P-3.
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    Pakistan Naval Aviation - Updated

    The Sea Eagle is described as a MPA but it is definitely capable in Anti-submarine warfare. Going away are the days when MAD were really super important. The modern acoustic sensing suites make them redundant. That is why P-8s dont have them either (although Indias P-8I have them at special...
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    Featured Pakistan Navy Type 054AP Frigates - Update, News & Discussion

    It is my understanding however that PN will operate CM-302 (export version of YJ-12) which has a range of 290km rather than the 400km.
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    Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

    I think the number of AWEC is 11. 4 erieye ordered originally (2 damaged, 1 destroyed, but all were apparently restored/repaired to working order. 3 erieye ordered in 2017 4 ZDK-03 --- 11 AWEC : still more than most other nations. Only ones with more are: 1. USA - 87 split between navy and...
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    Pakistan Navy | News & Discussions.

    Well with the F-22P you are for sure correct, in that the range is 7400km (same as the much smaller Sa'ar 6. That said Ada is 6500km (much smaller than smaller vessels). Azmat is between the Hamina and the Buyan-M and its range is similarly in the middle at 1900km. I wonder why the Ada (and...
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    Pakistan Navy | News & Discussions.

    The reality is that to make a high quality ship you need to have an idea what you want its role to be a design it to fulfill that role effectively from the ground up. Because PN has been the step child of the military, it has been given scraps with which to make a defensive force. BUT for the...
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    Our Royal PM and his crew staying in this hotel

    Im fairly certain the first part is not true. The secret service needs to approve any location for dignitary in an effort to ensure they can provide adequate security. The embassy is a secured compound and that is different. Roosevelt would be an option, but again, just cuz govt owns it doesnt...
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    Our Royal PM and his crew staying in this hotel

    You mean at the Embassy in Washington DC over 4 hours away? And at that time, US Secret Service took control of the Hotel because of this. Btw you think that a head of state staying in a hotel owned by govt doesn't still cost the govt the same money? Thats like eating and taking from your own...
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    Our Royal PM and his crew staying in this hotel

    Of the Roosevelt? It wasn't the issue of maintenance, but the cost of operating, taxes ect. The Roosevelt also being a luxury hotel was really hit by covid pandemic, but it has been losing money for decades. PIA made a dumb move keeping it (as most PIA moves are dumb). And no, US immigration...
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    Pakistan Naval Aviation - Updated

    We quickly forget that before the F-22P, PN had janky old Type-21s who were sooo past their prime they were essentially sitting ducks in aby conflict with other navys. So the F-22P while not perfect was (as you said) a huge step up for PN. The major flaw for the F-22P with respect to the...
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    Our Royal PM and his crew staying in this hotel

    You guys realize that when foreign dignitaries are visiting the US, MANY times where they stay is determined by the secret service. In such events when there are numerous world leaders the are collected in areas where it is easier for the service to protect them. As such they have limited...
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    Argentina Considering To Purchase 12 JF17C Worth 664Million Dollars

    They dont have to force anything. We will be happy to sell the plane with Aim-9M, a2g munitions and no harpoon. The question is will Argentina go for it. I doubt it very much.
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    Argentina Considering To Purchase 12 JF17C Worth 664Million Dollars

    Im surprised that they are considering the F-16. I am certain the US will not sell any Harpoons to them, nor will the French sell Exocet under pressure from UK. Ukraine cant sell anyone Neptune's right now (they need them). So the only options would Kh-35 and C-802/803 with respect to air...
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