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They already operate F-16,if they get rafale there is no room for JF-17

Here is my question, why have all these engineers not banded together to form theor own private enterprises free and clear of military involvement? There is so much braon drain due to mismanagement of poor management and over meddling by military into areas they are not qualified to have...

One needs to ask if the Ozgur upgrade were ready, why has Turkey not started rolling it out and why has it requested SABR upgrades?

No, i dont think there are any real beans to spill. We like to think of Pakistani military of always having a trick to reach when they need it, but here i dont actually think there is "any there, there". I just dont buy that there was any "hybrid block 2". It doesnt add up when we think about...

Not sure i buy it. The only reason i hold. Any stock in it is because @SQ8 is the person saying it. But the story still doesnt make a lot of sense. From what i recall, in 2019 they were still deciding between LKF-601E (which was air cooled) and 2 KLJ-7A versions (air and liquid cooled). If...

Officially at this moment Pakistan has no role in TFX OR J-35. Turkey wont GIVE anything to anyone. Pakistan will either need to join the program or buy it off the shelf. Part of block 3 is manufactured in Pakistan. TFX will likely use indigenous missiles like gokdokan.

Meh, im not sure that has much to do with this. It's less keeping Pakistan in its corner and more throwing bone to military because it backed US position on Ukraine over its civilian govt. And to stick a finger in India's eye because it didnt.

I agree, usually @SQ8 IS reliable and has good takes, but here, it just doesn't seem logical. How could integration of an aesa radar which hadnt itself completed testing on the JF-17 at the time, nor had any weapons integrated at the time, be put into service on a stop gap measure in 2019,but...

REALLY? Obsolete plane? An F-16MLU is obsolete? By whose standards? Given the PAF F-16 is who literally whipped Indias *** in 2019 by creating havoc with Amraam locks ons left and right and its EW jamming capabilities (along with Erieye and Falcon 20 EW aircraft) dominated the electronic warfare...

Regarding the hq-16, I'll take your word for it, but selling the turks HQ-9 and allowing turks to do the integration work and integrate hq-16 code into the fire control radars are very different things. Also read that the issue was the chinese actually allowing its integration. Clearly there is...

The issue is NOT capablity. The issue is integration. Any weapon COULD be carried provided the weapon is integrated with the computer and FCR. Should a costumer opt for the Leanardo Grifo E as previously considered for blk 3,then theoretically, JF-17 would have been able to carry Meteor or...

Im not sure if people actually read what other members write and then think about the points being made, and then weigh them against their own positions before spouting out at the mouth. Seems to be the major issue with everything in Pakistani culture. Spout out at the mouth without weighing the...

It is my understanding that the RJAF F-16 underwent MLU in 2007-2009 in Turkey with TAI. They probably have similar life on them as the 15 ex-RJAF F-16 ADF which underwent MLU in 2014 for PAF i would imagine they have a reasonably good life left in them. And for ~$16M/aircraft getting a fighter...

Lets get a few things straight for hyperventilating people who are against this potential (and in my opinion, very unlikely purchase). This notion that buying these somehow means someone is a traitor or that someone is putting Pakistan back into the US dependence is just stupid. The...

This only makes sense if the US sells or allows used C/D models and allows for SABR upgrades. Otherwise it doesn't make too much sense. However IF it does allow SABR upgrades then its it still a positive. Remember, PAF has to replace 150 fighters (Mirages, and F-7s) as soon as possible. New...

Oh i get what you are saying. I am just a bit skeptical (though would love Mk 41 or ExLS for PN ships from Yarmooks to Babur/Jinnahs. With CAMM-ER they would be game changers. I am also fully aware that Sylver will be difficult. My point is that MDAS and K-VLS should be investigated for future...

Like the design. Of note, this model shows something similar to the GWS.35 as the VLS which I think is the standard single shot CAMM-ER launcher. Sadly, it only seems to be 16 cells which leads me to question how much larger these will be vs Babur. In fact, if you zoom into the plaque, it seems...

I would be surprised if the VLS is American. US of far more likely to say no to this than France. The one good thing is once the VLS is in, usually their should not be a supplies/spares issue thereafter. A one time purchase and done. That said PN should plan the future of Babur/Jinnah and...

Their plan is Istanbul class frigates which will likely be similar in size/functions to Jinnah (frankly i think Jinnah will likely be a modification of I-class rather than an actual i original/semi-original design). Both Jinnah and I-class are enlarged Ada/Milgems

That is debatable as Iran is firmly with Russia and China.