India's acquisition of one S-400 battery will be equal to four US Patriot PAC-3

naveedullahkhankhattak said:

so you don't have any logical answer. That mean that this thread is all about comparing a proved system with a paper system.

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What sort of logic is this?
If a product has never been used into war that means it is incompetent?
Then no one can prove you...
S400 adoption is very well around the world based on it's technical parameter..All of those countries are not nincompoops to invest billions buying a worthless system..

The one said:

oh uncle China also induct s 400, so you means Chinese are dumb, apne aaka ke bare mn kuj khne ke himat nhi hai kya

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آقا صرف اللہ۔ چین دوست ملک ہے ابھے گدھے۔

naveedullahkhankhattak said:

Have S400 ever killed a target?
or are they like same best russian air defence systems like the one Israel took 2 hours to destroy dozens of batteries in syria. The so called best.

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When did S-400 landed in Syria... it was S- 300 and all packed never deployed. Dozen of batteries ? Now S-300 is deployed in the port of Tartus... did you see how NATO forgot about Syrian airspace.

You have no knowledge about SAM and threat to Ariel target.

Pakistani F-16 will be blown in Pakistani Airspace.

Major Shaitan Singh said:

Pakistani F-16 will be blown in Pakistani Airspace.

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That's your only faint hope since the IAF can never save you from the PAF
However looking at past records, using SAMs, India has shot down more of their own than any Pakistani aircraft.

Mustang06 said:

Just because India is buying it doesn't make it third grade weapon. Your allies China and Turkey are also planning the procure this weapon system.
I am pretty sure S400 will be protected by other SAM systems albeit with smaller range. Probably Tunguska will be at it's inner most ring!
@Major Shaitan Singh Sir will love your input on this as you have opened a very detailed thread on this system.

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Let me give a war scenario in and around Delhi.

Delhi will have multiple tier air defense system and air space will almost impenetrable

400 KM Detection

Almaz-Antey 40R6 / S-400 Triumf

Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) / Pradyumna Ballistic Missile Interceptor



100 KM to 200 KM Detection

Barak Air defence system

Advanced Air Defence (AAD)/Ashwin Ballistic Missile Interceptor

30 KM to 70 KM Dectection

Pechora Missiles

AKASH SAM

SYDER Missile Defence

Can you suggest any aircraft that can penetrate this kind of air defence.

Major Shaitan Singh said:

Let me give a war scenario in and around Delhi.

Delhi will have multiple tier air defense system and air space will almost impenetrable

400 KM Detection

Almaz-Antey 40R6 / S-400 Triumf

Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) / Pradyumna Ballistic Missile Interceptor

100 KM to 200 KM Detection

Barak Air defence system

Advanced Air Defence (AAD)/Ashwin Ballistic Missile Interceptor

30 KM to 70 KM Dectection

Pechora Missiles

AKASH SAM

SYDER Missile Defence

Can you suggest any aircraft that can penetrate this kind of air defence.

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That's some serious protection!

Windjammer said:

That's your only faint hope since the IAF can never save you from the PAF
However looking at past records, using SAMs, India has shot down more of their own than any Pakistani aircraft.

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Can you please enlighten how PAF will overcome IAF which will be backed by AWACS and covered by SAM

70+ F16 VS 200+ SU30MKI
80+ JF 17 VS 80+ MiG 29UPG + 40+ Dassault Mirage 2000
120+ F-7P/PG VS 200+ MiG 21
80+ Dassault Mirage 5 VS 130 SEPECAT Jaguar + 50+ MiG 27

Major Shaitan Singh said:

Can you please enlighten how PAF will overcome IAF which will be backed by AWACS and covered by SAM

70+ F16 VS 200+ SU30MKI
80+ JF 17 VS 80+ MiG 29UPG + 40+ Dassault Mirage 2000
120+ F-7P/PG VS 200+ MiG 21
80+ Dassault Mirage 5 VS 130 SEPECAT Jaguar + 50+ MiG 27

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By their superior skills, duh!

danger007 said:

it is capable to target drones to BMs.. thanks for suicide drones comment.

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Even saturated artillery shelling, sabotage using special forces can either cripple completely or partially damage s400. So it's better to keep inside safe distance from border areas. It's primary duty is to defend Indian sky from ground,nor destroying PAF fighters inside Pakistani airspace,that's the job of our airforce fighters,and offensive weapons like brahmos.

Major Shaitan Singh said:

Can you please enlighten how PAF will overcome IAF which will be backed by AWACS and covered by SAM

70+ F16 VS 200+ SU30MKI
80+ JF 17 VS 80+ MiG 29UPG + 40+ Dassault Mirage 2000
120+ F-7P/PG VS 200+ MiG 21
80+ Dassault Mirage 5 VS 130 SEPECAT Jaguar + 50+ MiG 27

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Well sir, when was the last time IAF fired in anger or for that matter it delivered.
However, since you are presenting all on paper, let me reply you in kind.
Typhoons whacked the SU-30
The MoD said it would not be putting Typhoons up against the Indian Airforce Su-30s as a one on one fight. However, it did happen and there is HUD video to prove it. Apparently two inexperienced Typhoon pilots returned with big grins on their faces, the Su-30s were toasted, all the Su-30's air display antics amounted to nothing, the Typhoons proved too nimble and too powerful for the Russian aircraft. The Typhoons were also not clean configured.
http://twocircles.net/2011jul24/british_typhoons_whacked_indias_sukhois_joint_exercises.html

PAF F-16s beat the Typhoons
In one of the Anatolian Eagle exercises held in Turkey, Pakistan Air Force F-16s scored a kill ratio of 3:0 over Eurofighters in close combat. The jets from PAF side were most probably the block 15 F-16s.

It came into light some months back when an interview of a PAF pilot was posted on a defence forum. This is now confirmed by Alan Warnes in the latest issue of Air Forces Monthly magazine. Of course, I won't be posting the article here, as it will be breach of copyrights. You can read more on it at KeyPublishing forum. Post #404 onwards.

It just goes to show how the Viper is still a very potent, agile and maneuverable platform even against the likes of Typhoon which are supposed to have a big edge in terms of maneuverability and overall capability. These new jets are not invincible after all, and with equally good pilots on both the sides, anyone can score kills.



Alan Warnes ��@warnesyworld 24 Jun

Reliable sources tell me the Pak AF's new F-16 MLUs consistently beat Saudi Eagles and Typhoons during manoeuvres in Taif, RSA in May.

Alan Warnes ��@warnesyworld 25 Jun

According to my sources, PAF were asked to fly Red and Blue Air. The Saudi Typhoon CO was allegedly so hacked off he didn't go to debrief...

Foxtrot Delta said:

didnt say anything about blowing you guys up. only the high value assets like S-400 and a few more. im against killing human beings.

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With what?

#hydra# said:

You don't reply to that troll,he can't compete with you with statistics,at the most he can do is derailing the subject.

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Look who is talking big....when was the last time you made any sense. LoL.

Everything war machine India has in 10 times better than whatever everyone else has.

شاھین میزایل said:

Everything war machine India has in 10 times better than whatever everyone else has.

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This remembrance should be there always.

Foxtrot Delta said:

if you had any idea about S-400 you would know it's limitations. even if you put secondary protection assets around it. there are some ways even i know , to get to them. Military Engineers and planners Must have many more multiple theories.

Take a few notes from Chinese, Turkish , German or USA books if you can. you shall find some interesting stories, from them too.

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Are you for real???? Plz enlight us about that interesting stories!!!! If even you know 'how to get them' (S-400 batteries), then your brilliance is 2nd to none (Or may be a Pakistani Einstein!!!!!). I think Russia, China and India filled their strategic planning, military & defense departments with useless fools, spending billions to produce and acquire S-400 system, they should strive to 'Acquire' you!!!