UN terror debate: Pakistan warns against defaming Islam

Jackdaws said:

Are you suggesting faiths like Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism are based on fairytales?

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Sikhism isn't even a real religion, its just a sect of Hinduism.

dsr478 said:

I don't know, do you think cow urine is sacred and has magical powers? Or do you believe like any sane human that whoever said that made it up?

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Ok, so you don't know. That explains a lot.
Either way - there are no Zionists, no crusades, no jehad and no explanation required on how a Dharmic faith is tolerant because they have never been at each others' throats.

Solomon2 said:

There you go, Muslims want something from non-Muslims so the non-Muslims automatically don't deserve to have it and you endorse terrorism as a suitable tactic by people you see primarily as co-religionists.

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No actually, religion plays little to no part in who I side with.

The fact is, Palestine belongs to the Palestinians and the foreign Jews only have the right to either live under Palestinian rule or leave.

Last time I checked, Israel has killed far more Palestinian civilians than vice versa. In fact, if you want to get technical, since Israel has mandatory conscription nobody who is a legal adult there is actually a civilian.

So no, I don't endorse terrorism.

Jackdaws said:

Ok, so you don't know. That explains a lot.
Either way - there are no Zionists, no crusades, no jehad and no explanation required on how a Dharmic faith is tolerant because they have never been at each others' throats.

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No, I do know, but you are either being extremely naive or just sarcastic.

Polytheists and the lot of you haven't really been at each other's throats since throughout history you have mostly been in weak and feeble positions, rarely have you guys ever been in power, and when you are in power destruction still follows as shown with Indians currently killing people for eating beef and Ashoka the great who slaughtered thousands of people.

Solomon2 said:

So it's not possible, even in theory, for a religion or creed to exist that is linked to terrorism?

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Only Zionist-Jews.
Founded on terror. Stern gang a prime example.

Baby killers as I like to call em.

dsr478 said:

No actually, religion plays little to no part in who I side with.

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Suuuurrre.

The fact is, Palestine belongs to the Palestinians and the foreign Jews only have the right to either live under Palestinian rule or leave.

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That's not "fact". A hundred years ago Palestine was the possession of the Ottomans. The area was conquered by the Brits and the League of Nations - as the inheriting sovereign power - assigned Britain the Palestine Mandate that explicitly designated the area the Jews' "National Home" and encouraged Jews to "closely settle" the area. Jews would have civil and political rights, whereas Arabs only possessed civil rights.

Last time I checked, Israel has killed far more Palestinian civilians than vice versa.

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Last I checked the P.A. killed far more terrorists than the terrorists have killed Pakistanis. Should one sympathize with terrorists for that reason alone?

dsr478 said:

as shown with Indians currently killing people for eating beef

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oh please, a one off case in a country of a billion.

make a good case if you want with real facts, this was weak sauce.

dsr478 said:

No actually, religion plays little to no part in who I side with.

The fact is, Palestine belongs to the Palestinians and the foreign Jews only have the right to either live under Palestinian rule or leave.

Last time I checked, Israel has killed far more Palestinian civilians than vice versa. In fact, if you want to get technical, since Israel has mandatory conscription nobody who is a legal adult there is actually a civilian.

So no, I don't endorse terrorism.

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You should work with some Palestinians to find out how ethic-less, immoral, cruel and insensitive they are.
For petty benefits they ruin each other lives and subsequently ruined their own country.
Palestine will be written down in history as the biggest financial scam ever invented..forget Nigeria, the Palestinians have been doing it legally now for half a century!

dsr478 said:

No, I do know, but you are either being extremely naive or just sarcastic.

Polytheists and the lot of you haven't really been at each other's throats since throughout history you have mostly been in weak and feeble positions, rarely have you guys ever been in power, and when you are in power destruction still follows as shown with Indians currently killing people for eating beef and Ashoka the great who slaughtered thousands of people.

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Untrue. Even Christianity arrived in Kerala in 52 AD. Over the years, persecuted religious minorities - Zoroastrians, Baghdadi Jews etc. sought refuge in India and were given the same. Who do you think was in power for most of the length of the Indic civilization? Of course there were wars and people were slaughtered but history is not littered with religious wars. Anyhow, this is way off topic. My whole point is - that there is no smoke without fire. If Islam is associated with terrorism in the mainstream narrative, it is because the people who commit terror claim to do so for Islam. Just like the KKK believes it lynched blacks and burnt crosses for Christianity. That is nothing but Christian terrorism but it obviously did not have the kind of global reach that Islamic terrorism does. Tamil Tigers in Lanka were mostly Hindus but they never claimed to be committing acts of terror for religion, they claimed to do it for ethnicity.

the Debate at UN is something like this..

UN: Pakistan must do more to control terrorism
Pakistan: Ohh please done blame Islam for it..you are sooo insensitive..OMG!

Solomon2 said:

So it's not possible, even in theory, for a religion or creed to exist that is linked to terrorism?

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In a manner of speaking zionism does rhymes with terrorism and it wouldn't be wrong to put two together. After all the most affected with such monstrosity are Palestinian and Torah Jews

Point is no religion should be associated with terrorism.

somebozo said:

Real Message:
Pakistan warns against blaming it for the rise of Islamic terror...
Typical Pakistani state policy..when blamed..take cover and hide under religion..!



For all practical purpose Pakistanis are still Hindus..the Islam of Arabia and Islam of Pakistan two different religions..!
We are already disowned by Arabs and very soon will be isolated as well



Is there anything internal we are going to confess??
Or continue to blame external factions forever?
Countries dont run on blame games, they run on taking responsibility..

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Oh so Islam of Pakistan worships monkeys and donkeys ?

Make some sense next time. For that alter invading Iraq twice, supporting racist monarchies and apartheid regime is not at all a perquisite that gave birth to hatred for Western hegemony I see

salarsikander said:

Oh so Islam of Pakistan worships monkeys and donkeys ?

Make some sense next time. For that alter invading Iraq twice, supporting racist monarchies and apartheid regime is not at all a perquisite that gave birth to hatred for Western hegemony I see

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Not donkeys and monkeys but human equivalent of the same..to start with..here is an example..



http://www.dawn.com/news/1302289


On the first day after his funeral, Rs80 million came in the form of donations

This is alarming yet nobody investigates when where and how this money came? No wonder we are hot bed of terrorism...much of this money is being used right now to train future assassins like Mumtaz Qadri..!

The first step to solve a problem is to accecpt you have a problem and not dust it under the carpet..yes we have a problem of wide spread terrorism...and yes the state is involved in it..and funds are being raised in broad day light..which causes loses of Pakistani lives , property and material..

Pakistan’s resilience has been tested many times, she said, emphasising that a multi-pronged strategy — the military-led Operation Zarb-e-Azb — helped to destroy terror outfits and constrain their ability to carry out lethal attacks.

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If UN awarded medal for lies Pakistan would get all of them!

Just an interesting observation im sure all sane individuals will reflect on this.

Zionism is the only religion that actually needs terror in order to survive.

Think about it....without terror would any land grabbing and genocide be possible?

No other religion or ideology thrives off terror....terror in muslim lands for example results in devastation. But these Jews are thriving off it.