UN terror debate: Pakistan warns against defaming Islam

dsr478 said:

Because we are all Muslim, and we should try to stay united. An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us, I don't care if people like you think that the Ummah is broken, because even if it is, like everything else that is broken it can be fixed.

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And there it is. If someone calling himself a Muslim wants to use force or terror to extract something from a non-Muslim then all Muslims should support him, "to stay united."

Solomon2 said:

And there it is. If someone calling himself a Muslim wants to use force or terror to extract something from a non-Muslim then all Muslims should support him, "to stay united."

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Seriously are you even literate? I said an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us, where did I say when one of us attacks someone, we should all join in? We should only do so if the one being attacked is being attacked for a justified reason, as is the case with Israel.

somebozo said:

Pakistan has, since 1970 successfully marketed this failed brand of Ummah Chumma!
While everyone else, including the Arabs are laughing at us...Ummah is a one way street...where we give and everyone takes!

Alqaida was born in Arabia we end up owning OBL out of this Ummah....and today Arab law makers are calling Pakistan a failed state where Taliban movement was born!

Lets put the record straight..we are not muslims..and we are not ummah..when it comes to country and its people...we are ..above all..first and foremost..Pakistanis first!

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No, we are Muslim's, then human's, and then Pakistanis. Nationalism has and will only continue to divide us.

I don't care what some diabetic obese men think, what matters are the people and despite there being plenty of Muslim's who do not appreciate the Ummah, there are just as many who do.

dsr478 said:

Congrats on becoming think tank btw.

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Thank you.

dsr478 said:

Seriously are you even literate? I said an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us, where did I say when one of us attacks someone, we should all join in?

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You don't have to; your conduct is enough. For when Hamas uses Gaza as a launching pad to rocket Israeli civilians do you raise a voice against Hamas or do you side with them as Israel suppresses the rocket fire using its troops and warplanes?

somebozo said:

Real Message:
Pakistan warns against blaming it for the rise of Islamic terror...
Typical Pakistani state policy..when blamed..take cover and hide under religion..!



For all practical purpose Pakistanis are still Hindus..the Islam of Arabia and Islam of Pakistan two different religions..!
We are already disowned by Arabs and very soon will be isolated as well



Is there anything internal we are going to confess??
Or continue to blame external factions forever?
Countries dont run on blame games, they run on taking responsibility..

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I am referring to bold part. Can you please shade some light on highlighted part please. It would be good if you keep your answer brief and specific.

Thank you very much!

Regards,
Jailer

Solomon2 said:

If you're relying on lies to justify killing Jews - even if those Jews are Zionists - then that is indeed antisemitic. Martin Luther King recognized there was no difference between hatred of Zionists and antisemitism. And no Pakistani can claim "we don't hate Jews" as Jews existed in Pakistan at independence but have disappeared since - many immigrated to Israel - and have not been welcomed back.

You're going to have to be specific if your intent is to refute me.

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Oy vey antisemitism.

dsr478 said:

Seriously are you even literate? I said an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us, where did I say when one of us attacks someone, we should all join in? We should only do so if the one being attacked is being attacked for a justified reason, as is the case with Israel.



No, we are Muslim's, then human's, and then Pakistanis. Nationalism has and will only continue to divide us.

I don't care what some diabetic obese men think, what matters are the people and despite there being plenty of Muslim's who do not appreciate the Ummah, there are just as many who do.

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No...there comes the reality...you have to change the sequence to help the humanity.

First you are a human , then Pakistani , then you are a Muslim...
So you can love humans fist , then all the nationalities , then your religion.

When you start loving other nationalities, you will be start loving or liking all religions as well....then this is a peaceful world.
May be I am wrong....but that is the truth.

1980's Pakistanis was trying to get into the Arab clique by bringing Muslim Umma as the core to get a voice and a seat with Arabs . Arabs are intelligent by creating a spineless organization like OIC for all chit chat with and for countries like Pakistan Afghanistan Bangladesh etc. and created GCC platfotm to discuss their important issues and to exclude countries like Pakistan ....Am I wrong?

somebozo said:

Is there anything internal we are going to confess??
Or continue to blame external factions forever?
Countries dont run on blame games, they run on taking responsibility..

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What was the Zarb-e-Azb ? We were not doing some operation desert storm or enduring freedom on forigen lands in response to the terrorist activity on our soil.

You and your kind represent a certain mind set, to perpetually keep Pakistan embroiled in its internal issues, which are, on most occasion are planned and perpetrated from "outside". You only talk about half truths. There is no solution and cure of this problem unless the serpent head, which plan, finance and sponsor these foot soldiers and dogs of hell, is crushed and that head lies outside Pakistan.

Remember one thing, every nation, every society got fault lines. its the weak or who have got ostrich mentality let the outsiders take advantage of these issues within. America got many enemies, and America got many issues within, but we dont hear about any outside nation, for instance, arming the blacks to rise up against the injustice they receive within American society, do we? Because the consequences of such support would be huge, well, alteast on paper. That is what we in Pakistan needs to create, the deterrence, that while we acknowledge that we got internal issues, we will not allow any forigen nation or entity to take advantage of our internal issues without the consequences. Those consequences are missing from our response as of yet.

Kundara said:

No...there comes the reality...you have to change the sequence to help the humanity.

First you are a human , then Pakistani , then you are a Muslim...
So you can love humans fist , then all the nationalities , then your religion.

When you start loving other nationalities, you will be start loving or liking all religions as well....then this is a peaceful world.
May be I am wrong....but that is the truth.

1980's Pakistanis was trying to get into the Arab clique by bringing Muslim Umma as the core to get a voice and a seat with Arabs . Arabs are intelligent by creating a spineless organization like OIC for all chit chat with and for countries like Pakistan Afghanistan Bangladesh etc. and created GCC platfotm to discuss their important issues and to exclude countries like Pakistan ....Am I wrong?

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No, I'm staying firm with my sequence. Being Pakistani will never be more important to me than being Muslim, the atrocious acts that occur within Pakistani society sometimes make me ashamed of my nationality, not to mention being Pakistani doesn't give me a better chance of going to heaven.

Islam and being Muslim is more important to me than humanity too, because there are currently far more bad humans than there are good one's. Humanity has also created many poisonous idea's. Being Muslim is more important to me, at best they are on equal footing.

This world shall be peaceful when humanity throws all it's bad ideas out the window and embraces true Islam properly. Then, and only then shall the world be a good place.

Ever wondered why Buddhists don't need to say that Buddhism is a religion of peace? Or Hinduism? Or Sikhism? Or Jainism? The Dharmic faiths have by and large peacefully co-existed unlike the Abrahamic faiths of Islam, Christianity and Judaism. This is a historical fact.

Solomon2 said:

You don't have to; your conduct is enough. For when Hamas uses Gaza as a launching pad to rocket Israeli civilians do you raise a voice against Hamas or do you side with them as Israel suppresses the rocket fire using its troops and warplanes?

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I fully support Hamas, the Zionist occupiers do not deserve even a shred of the land. Want to stay and continue to occupy Palestine? Fine, Palestinians aren't currently powerful enough to stop you. But what they can and will do is ensure you never know peace, and don't think that Israel will always have the upper hand. It is only a matter of time before the Palestinians are the ones in power, and they will not forget what Israel has done to them, nor shall they show even a shred of mercy.

Jackdaws said:

Ever wondered why Buddhists don't need to say that Buddhism is a religion of peace? Or Hinduism? Or Sikhism? Or Jainism? The Dharmic faiths have by and large peacefully co-existed unlike the Abrahamic faiths of Islam, Christianity and Judaism. This is a historical fact.

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The fact is that you guys worship fairytales, where as the Abrahmic faiths worship a creator that is actually believable.

1980's Pakistanis was trying to get into the Arab clique by bringing Muslim Umma as the core to get a voice and a seat with Arabs . Arabs are intelligent by creating a spineless organization like OIC for all chit chat with and for countries like Pakistan Afghanistan Bangladesh etc. and created GCC platfotm to discuss their important issues and to exclude countries like Pakistan ....Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]

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You nailed it here. They call us Miskeen to all Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Afghan and if they're happy they call us sadeek. I live there for 11 years and I know the contribution of these so called Muskeens in a gulf region almost all of them Arabs and Israelis are racist.

Regards,
Jailer

dsr478 said:

I fully support Hamas, the Zionist occupiers do not deserve even a shred of the land. Want to stay and continue to occupy Palestine? Fine, Palestinians aren't currently powerful enough to stop you. But what they can and will do is ensure you never know peace, and don't think that Israel will always have the upper hand. It is only a matter of time before the Palestinians are the ones in power, and they will not forget what Israel has done to them, nor shall they show even a shred of mercy.



The fact is that you guys worship fairytales, where as the Abrahmic faiths worship a creator that is actually believable.

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Are you suggesting faiths like Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism are based on fairytales?

Jackdaws said:

Are you suggesting faiths like Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism are based on fairytales?

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I don't know, do you think cow urine is sacred and has magical powers? Or do you believe like any sane human that whoever said that made it up?

dsr478 said:

I fully support Hamas, the Zionist occupiers do not deserve even a shred of the land -

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There you go, Muslims want something from non-Muslims so the non-Muslims automatically don't deserve to have it and you endorse terrorism as a suitable tactic by people you see primarily as co-religionists.