A 2015 warning to Pakistan and Turkey by UAE taking shape in 2017.

if turkey and pak start looking after each other interests then they can form a very strong platform economically and military. they have the best trained military in the islamic world. add iran in the equation then say good bye to useless arabs. iran is already in russian camp. pak and turkey are also tilting towards russia. they can form a formidable econimic and military power. these saudis, emiratis ,qataris etc can go to hell.
pak must come out of this saudi, US ,UAE etc group. they have always been our worst enemies.

BHarwana said:

SO it means if we don't do the dirty work or follow their orders we get punished like Turkey got punished?

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What I understood is as follows:
UAE was a big party in the destruction of Lebanon(Beirut) as a regional main sea port. Actually UAE guys are very much touchy about their port matters and we Pakistanis are not taking them on board for Gawader. Must address this matter immediately. Dr Gargash is himself of Irani origin(thus the name Gargash = rattle). He is a bit nationalist and most learned man in his circles(A Phd). So the statements from him should be taken in this perspective as well.
Current affair between UAE and India is due to her utter wish to un-do Gawader, and India is her first and the best choice.
So we can easily break this affair by taking UAE on-board by changing our business plans and creating rooms to accommodate others as well.

Horus said:

There are no friends or enemies, only alignment of interests.

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Diplomatic statements, go only so far.....

so going through this Thread i understand this ..
we have Arab Loving Pakistanii
we have Persian Loving Pakistanii
but
we Don't Pakistan Loving Pakistanii

SilentSpeaker said:

Apart from the language and words you used for me, with due respect i am free to express my views. Being a PDF veteran doesn't give you a license to bash anyone when you are on high.



Before howling so high first end the war at home then poke your nose in others matter. US fought all wars because they were united and they don't border enemies or ongoing war at home. Chest thumping with empty barrel will not win you wars but shame and more destruction at home.
We should stay from Arab/Iran dispute and strengthen our self first.



Don't expect such BS from a senior like you.

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Hi,

Neither do I drink---nor do I smoke---.

SouI said:

You seem to love Arabs so much. I don't like Iran not even a bit, but compared to most Arab nations they at least contribute to the human civilization and they at least produce something and they are a bit more modern-ish-ish compared to Arabs the barbarians.

As a Turk I'd rather fight for Iran than any Arab nation.

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Sir,

Iran is a harbinger of death and destruction---Palestine---Lebanon---Iraq---Syria---Yemen---.

When Iran gives you a brotherly hug---it is the embrace of death and destruction---.

Being friends with Iran means that you are on the brink of being targetted as well for sanctions as well---you become a part of the bad boys---.

I think both countries need to sit down and discuss the issues and remove any misunderstandings. Pakistan has its limitations and all friendly countries must respect them. People of Pakistan wish peace in the region and do not want to be the part of any war. We believe issues can be resolved through discussion and one Muslim country attacking another is against the teachings of the religion and humanity. We wish friendly relations with UAE and all the middle eastern countries as have been in the past and Pakistanis have participated in their development and would like to continue to do so if allowed. However it takes two hands to make a clap. The positive role and support provided by UAE and other middle-eastern countries in the past is duly acknowledged and both nations are under no debt from one another however, the religion binds us together in a wonderful Islamic brotherhood however, it shouldn't be abused by any side

MastanKhan said:

Hi,

Neither do I drink---nor do I smoke---.




Sir,

Iran is a harbinger of death and destruction---Palestine---Lebanon---Iraq---Syria---Yemen---.

When Iran gives you a brotherly hug---it is the embrace of death and destruction---.

Being friends with Iran means that you are on the brink of being targetted as well for sanctions as well---you become a part of the bad boys---.

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Whether we participate in any war or stay away from it, Iran cannot be trusted. We should approach Iran with extreme caution since post-79 Iran never played a favourable role for Pakistan at any level.

Khafee said:

@MastanKhan I leave this thread in your capable hands, smack these spoiled kids into shape. Some one needs to slap them and wake them up. With the debt pilling on, in return for crumbling infra, all they are worried about is making Iran happy.

The Same Iran who supports Baba Ladla, and Uzair Baloch., who made the biggest city in Pakistan a war zone.

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@Khafee

I would really want to know what Gen Raheel is thinking now---.

What is coming---was written on the blue skies 2-3 years ago for everyone who could see it and read it---there was nothing hidden---the message was loud and clear about the coming changes in the U S.

And again---the pakistani Generals---from the moment of victory and glory---they chose defeat---chaos and mayhem---.

I just cannot understand the stupidity behind the inaction---there were over 20 million young pakistanis that were jobless---. Yemen would have.

Instead of begging for alms for survival and begging for money to buy fighter aircraft and instead of begging for money to buy frigates---everything would have been dropped at our front door for the taking---.

Chengiz Khan is known to have said---" no one lives for ever---everybody dies---I want to go in a manner that the world would remember my name---".

The truth is---that anyone can die fighting bravely for their nation---even service dogs die bravely doing their jobs---what really makes the difference is to live---and do something for the nation to spread its resource and power---.

The last 2 pakistani commander in chief truly proved that they are the decendants of Raja Porus---and not the seeds of Alexander the Great---.

MastanKhan said:

@Khafee

I would really want to know what Gen Raheel is thinking now---.

What is coming---was written on the blue skies 2-3 years ago for everyone who could see it and read it---there was nothing hidden---the message was loud and clear about the coming changes in the U S.

And again---the pakistani Generals---from the moment of victory and glory---they chose defeat---chaos and mayhem---.

I just cannot understand the stupidity behind the inaction---there were over 20 million young pakistanis that were jobless---. Yemen would have.

Instead of begging for alms for survival and begging for money to buy fighter aircraft and instead of begging for money to buy frigates---everything would have been dropped at our front door for the taking---.

Chengiz Khan is known to have said---" no one lives for ever---everybody dies---I want to go in a manner that the world would remember my name---".

The truth is---that anyone can die fighting bravely for their nation---even service dogs die bravely doing their jobs---what really makes the difference is to live---and do something for the nation to spread its resource and power---.

The last 2 pakistani commander in chief truly proved that they are the decendants of Raja Porus---and not the seeds of Alexander the Great---.

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Generals aside, don't you see the armchair generals, and keyboard warriors, on this forum displaying those very same traits.

Khafee said:

Generals aside, don't you see the armchair generals, and keyboard warriors, on this forum displaying those very same traits.

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Hi,

Well---you have to look at it this way---. The Generals and Commanders are their fathers and uncles and grand fathers---. What they see and hear at home---that is what they express over here---.

See---the true issue over here is that the decision makers have money in their pockets---they care less what happens to pakistan.

Take this scenario into consideration---if the enemy conquers pakistan---it still needs locals to govern---you cannot put an indian general in-charge---.

So---that is what will happen---they will stay in power either way---so why would they care---.

We are all talk about being PROUD PAKISTANIS---we have no clue what it takes to be a citizen---.

I have yet to see a coward american---they stand in line to go die for their country in places like Afghanistan---Iraq---Libya---Syria---Yemen---wherever they are needed---because they know---for america to prosper and stay great---wars must be fought and the wars need to be fought farther away from the homeland---.

I n order for you to conquer the mountain and take the glory---there has to be BLOOD ON THE SLOPES---the blood of your soldiers and of their sacrifices for something to be worthwhile---.

Even after a war for 15 years---young americans still want to join the military with a passion and more so with Trump in power---.

These same arm chair generals over here were hugging the terrorists for 12 years after 9/11 and lying that the bomb blasts and murders were being committed by someone else---.

They only changed when their home started to catch on fire and their near and dear ones got caught into the bomb blasts---so what would one make of these people---.

No one gives a crap about what UAE has to say. Pakistan is an independent country and won't get mired in a war against another brotherly country, namely Yemen.

Pakistan isn't threatened by UAE's cosying up with India. UAE is free to have a relation with India at thE expense of Pakistan. Pakistan won't sell its soul to gulf nations and kill Yemenites in exchange.

SouI said:

But diplomacy solved all the direct problems..

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Do you really believe that diplomacy solved our problems with Iran? First of all, we don't have solved any of our problems or conflicts we have with the Iranian policy makers and vice versa. There is a tacit approval between Turkey and Iran that is basically the fundament of our relationship: respecting the territorial integrity and non-interference in each others' internal affairs.

The border between Turkey and Iran is one of the oldest in the world and has stayed more or less the same since the Battle of Chaldiran in 1514, and the Treaty of Zuhab. The 1932 treaty thus formalised a centuries-old status quo. On the same day, the countries signed a new Treaty of Friendship, as well as a Treaty of Conciliation, Judicial Settlement and Arbitration
- Wikipedia

That's it. This is all we have in common with Iran. Apart from that, Iran and Turkey have different opinions regarding Syria, GCC, West, Nato, Russia, Pakistan/Kashmir, Israel, Iraq etc. pp.

Both countries used to fight each other for centuries and today we agreed that a war is no option anymore because it effectively would destroy everything we worked so hard for. We don't interfere in each others business because a big destabilized neighbor is a nightmare for all of us. There is no friendship, no religious or cultural bonds and no personal sympathies for each other. We live in the same building, we're greeting each other when we accidentally enter the lift at the same time and we're shopping in each others stores - and we don't talk about our problems openly.

Frankly speaking, that's more than enough.

fitpOsitive said:

So we can easily break this affair by taking UAE on-board by changing our business plans and creating rooms to accommodate others as well.

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I agree with you very well but there are certain issues Pakistan first belong to Pakistani people after that it has some rights of UAE. To Pakistan every Muslim nation is equal no matter if it is UAE a Wahabi state or Iran a Shia state. We can take UAE on board and Iran on board but first we will have to take Pakistani and Chinese companies on board because this country belongs to Pakistan and China is investing in this project than come UAE and Iran. Now about UAE no matter how much is UAE pissed of with Gawadar a single gas and oil deal with Iran can provide Pakistan with cheaper energy so UAE should ask to join like Qatar did. Qatar is also a GCC country no one is pissed of at them they will fully joined CPEC and are making a coal power plant worth $ 2 Billion a Chinese company is working on the project. Russian are also in on the Project and are ready to share military resources with Pakistan to secure the CPEC now UAE should use a decent Chanel we are not the servants of those bloody Arabs. The only Arab above all men is Holy Prophet (PBUH) and his Sahabi. Those Arabs in UAE are nothing to me not even worthy of any thing. They want to join most welcome if they want to be naughty there is no one naughtier than Pakistani's in the world.

CriticalThought said:

Let's put all the recent developments with UAE on the table:

1. UAE official visits Pakistan and holds meetings with Gen. Qamar Bajwa.
2. QB tries to sell the Mirage 2000s to the airforce. That's just on the outside, don't know what else went on behind the scenes.
2. Then we see a UAE official hugging Modi (the only thing they could do to make it more intimate was to close their eyes) and UAE troops marching in India's parade.

Was 1 a confidence building measure? A threat? A warning? Who knows.

This much is true. The CPEC is definitely a threat to UAE. We also have the warning given by UAE in 2015 (the title of this thread). And in general, we have had threads calling into question UAE's intentions towards Pakistan.

It is UAE's responsibility to win hearts and minds of common Pakistanis.

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Why is CPEC a threat to UAE ? Gwadar cannot be rival Dubai in a long time. Karachi would be a better choice.
25% of visitors to Dubai are Indians. Pakistan is off-limits to Indians

Both India and Pakistan were offered Mirage-2000s by Qatar. Neither side took the bait. Why would PAF fall for the UAE offer ?

too all the iran lovers and well wishers.

May i remind you that it was iran which saved india from being sanctioned in UN in early 1990s because of killing of Kashmiri people..
and it was iran formally kill Struggle of Kashmiri's from opperssion at the international level.

i hope you didnt forget the recent events like Kulbhushan Yadav(The jeweler from Chabahar).

Hi.

You cannot do Oil & Gas deals with Iran---they are sanction prone---and as they will suffer---you will be doomed---.

No one who has allied with Iran---has survived death and destruction.