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http://www.rediff.com/business/column/bank-deposits-may-touch-rs-17-lakh-crore-by-3012/20161203.htm
Bank deposits may touch Rs 17 lakh crore by 30/12
December 03, 2016 13:14 IST
'With 27 days to go, the total bank deposits has come tantalisingly close to the Rs 14 lakh crores of banned notes which was in the financial system on November 8.'
'Black money hoarders may have actually laundered their black money into white,' argues Rajeev Sharma.


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The total bank deposits -- since November 9 when 500 and 1,000 rupee notes were demonetised -- has reached Rs 13 lakh crores till December 2, according to knowledgable government sources.

By December 30, the last date for depositing the banned notes in bank accounts, this figure is likely to cross Rs 17 lakh crore.

This is bad for the following reasons:

  • More deposits than the available money in the system before demonetisation increases government liability and weakens its financial architecture.
  • It exposes the government claim of unearthing black money. Black money hoarders may have actually laundered their black money into white by taking advantage of loopholes in government schemes.
  • This will expose the Modi government to a frontal attack from the Opposition, which will say that instead of achieving its stated objective of demonetisation, the government has attracted more black money because of its sloppy implementation.
This is a gloomy scenario for the Modi government, both economically and politically.

That's because on November 8, the day when 86% of the total currency in circulation was banned, the banned currency totalled Rs 14 lakh 73,000 crore.

The government's initial projections were that of this Rs 14 lakh crore, at best Rs 10 lakh crore would be returned, thus giving a windfall of Rs 4 lakh crores or around $57 billion.

If this were to happen it would enable the government to claim that it had successfully netted 'black money' of Rs 4 lakh crore.

However, even before the half-way mark -- the 50-day period announced by Prime Minister Narendra Modi for Indians to deposit banned currency notes in their accounts -- the total bank deposits so far has come tantalisingly close to the figure of Rs 14 lakh crores of banned notes which was estimated to be in the financial system on November 8.

And this when 27 days are still left for the last day to deposit the banned notes.

If indeed the bank deposits reach Rs 17 lakh crore rupees or thereabouts on December 30, as is being projected by knowledgeable sources, it will not only negate the very purpose of Modi's demonetisation drive, but will add enormously to the government's liabilities.

It will also put pressure on the rupee vis-a-vis the US dollar and given the upward trend in international oil prices hurt the economy.

Politically, it could have an adverse impact on Modi and his ruling Bharatiya Janata Party.

The big political fallout will be the coming assembly polls in five states, including the all-important state of Uttar Pradesh.

The BJP cannot delude itself that its victory in the post-demonetisation civic elections in Maharashtra and Gujarat will be replicated in the five state elections.

Modi has been accused by his detractors of running a presidential form of government wherein he is the sole decision maker.

Nothing indicates this more graphically than his November 8 mega decision about which only Reserve Bank of India Governor Dr Urjit Patel and Economic Affairs Secretary Shaktikanta Das were kept in the loop.

Three key pivots in the finance ministry -- Finance Minister Arun Jaitley, Finance Secretary Ashok Lavasa and Chief Economic Advisor Arvind Subramanian -- were not consulted.

Modi embarked on the demonetisation drive primarily with an eye on the assembly elections in Uttar Pradesh, Punjab, Goa, Uttarakhand and Manipur, likely to be held in February-March.

Bad economics may well prove to be bad politics for Modi and the BJP as millions of Indians line up in long queues outside banks and ATMs across the country to withdraw their own money and who have not been getting even the rationed cash after waiting in the queues for hours.

It is a long haul and there is no magic wand to shoo away the cash crisis. Consider these facts:

  • The RBI could print currency notes in its four presses to the tune of Rs 2,700 crore daily. This has now been increased to Rs 4,000 crore daily, but the daily requirement is Rs 13,000 crore.
  • It takes 9 days for the making of a currency note. One currency note costs the exchequer Rs 37, irrespective of its face value.
  • The printing presses can't run non-stop for 24 hours and need to switched off for three hours in a day.
Clearly, the Modi government has bitten much more than it could chew.
 
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There will be a huge tax collection from deposited money. There is a news that an Amadavad builder deposited Rs 13800 crore in bank. Straight away 50% amount will be taxed which amounts to Rs 1 bn USD. many of such accounts shall be scrutinized and there shall be a huge tax collection. More over liquidity of banks will go high like anything and there shall be a huge fund available for financing and refinancing in micro and small sector which shall generate huge chunk of jobs and employment. government is going to get huge fund for all its projects.
 
Why do you post articles related India?

I feel chinese are sensing that India is doing some thing right.
Chinese are also corrupt . Why not follow India in this regard.


Well, if he posts some good news articles flattering India, I am sure you guys would be very happy. :partay:

As for the "demonetization", I am sure China is watching your experiment with great interest, just like your democracy.

:enjoy:
 
http://www.rediff.com/business/column/bank-deposits-may-touch-rs-17-lakh-crore-by-3012/20161203.htm
Bank deposits may touch Rs 17 lakh crore by 30/12
December 03, 2016 13:14 IST
'With 27 days to go, the total bank deposits has come tantalisingly close to the Rs 14 lakh crores of banned notes which was in the financial system on November 8.'
'Black money hoarders may have actually laundered their black money into white,' argues Rajeev Sharma.


22uttam-note-ban1.jpg

The total bank deposits -- since November 9 when 500 and 1,000 rupee notes were demonetised -- has reached Rs 13 lakh crores till December 2, according to knowledgable government sources.

By December 30, the last date for depositing the banned notes in bank accounts, this figure is likely to cross Rs 17 lakh crore.

This is bad for the following reasons:

  • More deposits than the available money in the system before demonetisation increases government liability and weakens its financial architecture.
  • It exposes the government claim of unearthing black money. Black money hoarders may have actually laundered their black money into white by taking advantage of loopholes in government schemes.
  • This will expose the Modi government to a frontal attack from the Opposition, which will say that instead of achieving its stated objective of demonetisation, the government has attracted more black money because of its sloppy implementation.
This is a gloomy scenario for the Modi government, both economically and politically.

That's because on November 8, the day when 86% of the total currency in circulation was banned, the banned currency totalled Rs 14 lakh 73,000 crore.

The government's initial projections were that of this Rs 14 lakh crore, at best Rs 10 lakh crore would be returned, thus giving a windfall of Rs 4 lakh crores or around $57 billion.

If this were to happen it would enable the government to claim that it had successfully netted 'black money' of Rs 4 lakh crore.

However, even before the half-way mark -- the 50-day period announced by Prime Minister Narendra Modi for Indians to deposit banned currency notes in their accounts -- the total bank deposits so far has come tantalisingly close to the figure of Rs 14 lakh crores of banned notes which was estimated to be in the financial system on November 8.

And this when 27 days are still left for the last day to deposit the banned notes.

If indeed the bank deposits reach Rs 17 lakh crore rupees or thereabouts on December 30, as is being projected by knowledgeable sources, it will not only negate the very purpose of Modi's demonetisation drive, but will add enormously to the government's liabilities.

It will also put pressure on the rupee vis-a-vis the US dollar and given the upward trend in international oil prices hurt the economy.

Politically, it could have an adverse impact on Modi and his ruling Bharatiya Janata Party.

The big political fallout will be the coming assembly polls in five states, including the all-important state of Uttar Pradesh.

The BJP cannot delude itself that its victory in the post-demonetisation civic elections in Maharashtra and Gujarat will be replicated in the five state elections.

Modi has been accused by his detractors of running a presidential form of government wherein he is the sole decision maker.

Nothing indicates this more graphically than his November 8 mega decision about which only Reserve Bank of India Governor Dr Urjit Patel and Economic Affairs Secretary Shaktikanta Das were kept in the loop.

Three key pivots in the finance ministry -- Finance Minister Arun Jaitley, Finance Secretary Ashok Lavasa and Chief Economic Advisor Arvind Subramanian -- were not consulted.

Modi embarked on the demonetisation drive primarily with an eye on the assembly elections in Uttar Pradesh, Punjab, Goa, Uttarakhand and Manipur, likely to be held in February-March.

Bad economics may well prove to be bad politics for Modi and the BJP as millions of Indians line up in long queues outside banks and ATMs across the country to withdraw their own money and who have not been getting even the rationed cash after waiting in the queues for hours.

It is a long haul and there is no magic wand to shoo away the cash crisis. Consider these facts:

  • The RBI could print currency notes in its four presses to the tune of Rs 2,700 crore daily. This has now been increased to Rs 4,000 crore daily, but the daily requirement is Rs 13,000 crore.
  • It takes 9 days for the making of a currency note. One currency note costs the exchequer Rs 37, irrespective of its face value.
  • The printing presses can't run non-stop for 24 hours and need to switched off for three hours in a day.
Clearly, the Modi government has bitten much more than it could chew.
Well, if he posts some good news articles flattering India, I am sure you guys would be very happy. :partay:

As for the "demonetization", I am sure China is watching your experiment with great interest, just like your democracy.

:enjoy:
Well, if he posts some good news articles flattering India, I am sure you guys would be very happy. :partay:

As for the "demonetization", I am sure China is watching your experiment with great interest, just like your democracy.

:enjoy:

We are just suprised that Chinese think about us all the time:o:
 
We are just suprised that Chinese think about us all the time:o:

We do. You guys make lot of noise about China all the time, it is hard not to hear it. It is always good to learn something on other's expense. :cheesy:
 
We do. You guys make lot of noise about China all the time, it is hard not to hear it. It is always good to learn something on other's expense. :cheesy:

Members like OP really think about us all, I don't know whether to feel happy or sad for him
 
Lot of our foreign members don't really understand what's happening, or what the effect of pulling money out of circulation will be doing to the economy.
 
Lot of our foreign members don't really understand what's happening, or what the effect of pulling money out of circulation will be doing to the economy.

whether they understand or don't understand is irrelevant.

But the article makes a valid point. Till date more than 11 Lakh crores have been deposited in the Bank till end of November. This is out of a total of 14 Lakh crores.

Its pretty clear that people have found a way to convert the black money into white.

It does not look pretty for the Modi govt. and when people realise that they have stood in the line for nothing, the political blow back will be terrible and Modi runs the risk of ending up with Eggs on his face.
 
a billion dollars means 6820 crore rupees so 17Lakh crore means almost 250 billon US dollars coming into white economy from blck economy now calculate minimum of 4% interests in taxes after all expenses and salaeries annually which GOI will earn on it thats another 10 billion every years which is the entire salary of what GOI pays to publick servants in railways + HRD +health +Home affairs & education
 
whether they understand or don't understand is irrelevant.

But the article makes a valid point. Till date more than 11 Lakh crores have been deposited in the Bank till end of November. This is out of a total of 14 Lakh crores.

Its pretty clear that people have found a way to convert the black money into white.

It does not look pretty for the Modi govt. and when people realise that they have stood in the line for nothing, the political blow back will be terrible and Modi runs the risk of ending up with Eggs on his face.

That's actually fine. The more white money conversions happen, the better it is because these people will still come into the tax net.

The point of this exercise was to convert black money to white and push the money into the banking system, not simply catch black money offenders.

The offenders will get caught when tax scrutiny starts.
 
That's actually fine. The more white money conversions happen, the better it is because these people will still come into the tax net.

The point of this exercise was to convert black money to white and push the money into the banking system, not simply catch black money offenders.

The offenders will get caught when tax scrutiny starts.

The IT dept does not have the capacity to process such large information. Even on a good day only 1% of any and all tax payers are scrutinised by the IT dept.

There is going to be a media trail by the end of December and Modi better be ready for it.

But there is definitely a possibility of increase in the tax amount for THIS year. But what about Next year ? This is not a permanent solution, but a temporary fix.
 
The IT dept does not have the capacity to process such large information. Even on a good day only 1% of any and all tax payers are scrutinised by the IT dept.

Scrutiny will go completely digital. Of course, IT raids will only be done on big players, not the small guy.

There is going to be a media trail by the end of December and Modi better be ready for it.

There won't be any media attack on Modi for this. A lot of black money holders have been given relief by the govt. Saying that 50% will be penalized, 25% will be in interest free deposits for a few years and the remaining 25% is free to use. So lot of black money is coming into the banking system.

The problem is for people who generated wealth through corruption and other illegal means. For example, if you are a businessman who hid your profits, you will be fined and spared. But if you are someone dabbling in the black market and crime, then you are in trouble.

Since scrutiny will be completely electronic and automated, a relationship tree will be built based on your bank account usage. People you regularly transact with, followed by the people they transact with and so on will show how the money trail is.

But there is definitely a possibility of increase in the tax amount for THIS year. But what about Next year ? This is not a permanent solution, but a temporary fix.

No, the effect of it will be long term. Modi will make it so you can't use large amounts of cash. You won't be able to withdraw large amounts from banks in cash, you won't be able to spend cash.

And hoarding will take a long time, by then that cash will be demonetized again and the system will go digital.
 

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