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Accepted I dont know anything about fighter flying :-) Now if 2 x AShMs are fired simultaneously at a ship, the probability of interception by Ship's countermeasures would become lesser, wrong or right ? if wrong then explain plz. A delay of a few seconds between launch of both missiles can let the missiles hit different spots or ends of the ship ?
Hein? When did you get involved in? Wasn't my comment in response to someone else?

Anyways, self defense systems can target multiple incoming missiles at the same time,not forgetting a ship usually isnt alone,its usually a task force so multiple ships will be in the area.So two missiles fired simultaneously wont make a difference in terms of countermeasures.

Yes, don't know about ASM used by PAF but weapons like Harpoon even have the capability that allows the pilot to set a flight path for them so the ship cant target it easily, still when it pops up it will have a chance to get shot down by ship's defense systems.

Launching one missile or two varies from scenario to scenario. Things like your flight strength, enemy air activity, enemy defense systems and even the ship is moving or static comes into play but usually firing both weapons at the same time isn't recommended.

Basic tareen example : Why waste two weapons when one can do the job? Most aircrafts can carry only two ASMs and if there are multiple ships in the area, better to take out two instead of one etc etc Not forgetting Rules of engagement and mission plan, limited stocks in a campaign...
 

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Basic tareen example : Why waste two weapons when one can do the job? Most aircrafts can carry only two ASMs and if there are multiple ships in the area, better to take out two instead of one etc etc Not forgetting Rules of engagement and mission plan, limited stocks in a campaign...
Hi,

You kids are so innocent when it comes to hunting---but the problem is you don't want to learn either.

How do the Lions hunt---. They target an animal in the pack and then all of them merge on it from different directions---.

In combat---you need a breakthrough point---you target at one point and focus all your forces and strength to make that important breakthrough.
 

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Hein? When did you get involved in? Wasn't my comment in response to someone else?

Anyways, self defense systems can target multiple incoming missiles at the same time,not forgetting a ship usually isnt alone,its usually a task force so multiple ships will be in the area.So two missiles fired simultaneously wont make a difference in terms of countermeasures.

Yes, don't know about ASM used by PAF but weapons like Harpoon even have the capability that allows the pilot to set a flight path for them so the ship cant target it easily, still when it pops up it will have a chance to get shot down by ship's defense systems.

Launching one missile or two varies from scenario to scenario. Things like your flight strength, enemy air activity, enemy defense systems and even the ship is moving or static comes into play but usually firing both weapons at the same time isn't recommended.

Basic tareen example : Why waste two weapons when one can do the job? Most aircrafts can carry only two ASMs and if there are multiple ships in the area, better to take out two instead of one etc etc Not forgetting Rules of engagement and mission plan, limited stocks in a campaign...
I was just pulling ur leg :-) The other fellow is on my ignore list.

If AGM-84 has the capability to be set a flight path for achieving a hit on the target, wouldnt the C-8XX series also have the same capability ? Harpoon is employed by Navy, Orions probably, what about ATRs? In that case JF-17 would be in escort role, unless of course Mirages armed with Exocets and AAMs show up.

IN Frigates and Destroyers would be expected to show up approaching Karachi in case of war, and if they can be provided air cover by IN and IAF then JF-17's major role could be fighter sweep CAPs or escort along with F-16s, with secondary role for ant-shipping for JF-17 supplemented with Mirage-V.

Is there a reality based scenario of PAF attacking IN Armada with parameters like probability of mission success, %age of own losses and %age of enemy sea and aerial assets destroyed etc.
 

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Hi,

You kids are so innocent when it comes to hunting---but the problem is you don't want to learn either.

How do the Lions hunt---. They target an animal in the pack and then all of them merge on it from different directions---.

In combat---you need a breakthrough point---you target at one point and focus all your forces and strength to make that important breakthrough.
Baba G, take a chill pill.. I was never explaining any strategies to him, was just trying to make it as simple as possible, unlike you I never try show off by going into complex details when even not required.

If you think focusing on one single point is still a strategy then please refer to the events of 26th and 27th February 2019, you might learn a few things. :)

Eid Mubarak!!!
I was just pulling ur leg :-) The other fellow is on my ignore list.

If AGM-84 has the capability to be set a flight path for achieving a hit on the target, wouldnt the C-8XX series also have the same capability ? Harpoon is employed by Navy, Orions probably, what about ATRs? In that case JF-17 would be in escort role, unless of course Mirages armed with Exocets and AAMs show up.

IN Frigates and Destroyers would be expected to show up approaching Karachi in case of war, and if they can be provided air cover by IN and IAF then JF-17's major role could be fighter sweep CAPs or escort along with F-16s, with secondary role for ant-shipping for JF-17 supplemented with Mirage-V.

Is there a reality based scenario of PAF attacking IN Armada with parameters like probability of mission success, %age of own losses and %age of enemy sea and aerial assets destroyed etc.
Not sure about capabilities of C-8xx as I have never studied or learned to employ Chinese weapons.

Orion can carry Harpoon, dont know about ATR but considering its capabilities it should.. maybe,but it can carry torpedoes. As far as Exocet is concerned, it's only operational with the Navy including its SeaKings.

Slow Aircrafts like ATR or Orion ( slow as compared to fighters ) have a less chance to fly as main element in an anti ship mission. JF-17s can do the job better. Provided cover by Vipers or even other JF-17s . They are more suited for Search and Destroy missions for targets such as submarines.

For the last part, that's a technical question and I am not sure if I am qualified enough to answer it. The main thing, that you missed to mention, is enemy threat level including ship's own defense capabilities, enemy BARCAPs, Hot Scrambles and SAM batteries employed in the area.All the factors you mentioned above depend on these.
 

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Baba G, take a chill pill.. I was never explaining any strategies to him, was just trying to make it as simple as possible, unlike you I never try show off by going into complex details when even not required.

If you think focusing on one single point is still a strategy then please refer to the events of 26th and 27th February 2019, you might learn a few things. :)

Eid Mubarak!!!
Hi,

A single point of ingress is still the most important part of a battle, specially when targeting major weapons systems or defensive capability of the enemy.

Feb 26th / 27th 2019 was a shameless act of strutting around---.

Eid Mubarak to you as well.
 

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Hi,

You kids are so innocent when it comes to hunting---but the problem is you don't want to learn either.

How do the Lions hunt---. They target an animal in the pack and then all of them merge on it from different directions---.

In combat---you need a breakthrough point---you target at one point and focus all your forces and strength to make that important breakthrough.
bro... i need to take these kids on a hunting trip deep into the kalahari... A lion roar at night will make them wet their pants.
 

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Basic tareen example : Why waste two weapons when one can do the job? Most aircrafts can carry only two ASMs and if there are multiple ships in the area, better to take out two instead of one etc etc Not forgetting Rules of engagement and mission plan, limited stocks in a campaign...
Hi,

Why---you never heard of failure. The second shot is know as 'the guarantee'.

Never had a shot gun shell misfire---or a pistol round misfire---or a rifle round that did not fire---?
 

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Hi,

Why---you never heard of failure. The second shot is know as 'the guarantee'.

Never had a shot gun shell misfire---or a pistol round misfire---or a rifle round that did not fire---?
Brother, why you wasting your breaths !!

I wasn't frequent in the past on this forum. But now I am, I am learning how it is run.
IT is as Pakistan is run. Different rules for different people, depending who you are, you can get away with whatever.
But if you are someone like me, you get warnings for no reason, for writing a sentence of fun.
That's what you call sense of humour failure.
 

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Hi,

Why---you never heard of failure. The second shot is know as 'the guarantee'.

Never had a shot gun shell misfire---or a pistol round misfire---or a rifle round that did not fire---?
Most defense systems can intercept multiple targets at the same time. If it can target your weapon it can target trail as well..

Quoting a blind bullet example against a guided missile...? Wow
 

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Most defense systems can intercept multiple targets at the same time. If it can target your weapon it can target trail as well..

Quoting a blind bullet example against a guided missile...? Wow
I heard US carrier strike group can track and target 500 incoming missiles at the same time. Or is it just the Aircraft carrier by itself?
 

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