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Will Turkey Seek Chinese Or Korean Fighters If F-16 Request Is Denied?

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IMO, Turkey should develop aerospace cooperation(both civilian and militarily) with China. I also care about China's experience in the field of Aerospace and its enthusiasm for pioneering new generation technologies.

However, Technically, getting a ready-made fighter jet from China right now is almost a useless/extremely costly option. Billions of dollars of new infrastructure investment, a new and parallel logistics system. Tens of thousands of pages of documentation and evaluation training takes a minimum of 10 years to reach the operational level. Turkey is already aiming to reach the mass production phase in the MMU program by 2030s.

But there is an exception; Turkish naval force aviation. A fixed wing air force installation from scratch could develop with Chinese cooperation.


It is a concrete and correct example to determine the need, but Russia will never open this aircraft to Turkish avionics and weapon systems. So technically, it may be twice as expensive and painful as the F-35.

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What if the USA refuses to send the B70/72 upgrade kits for the Turkish Block 40 F-16s?

Alternative plan is, OZGUR(freedom) modernization program. We have come to the end of the work that has been going on for about 10 years. A few more critical components need to complete the final test phase such ASELSAN's GaN-based F-16 AESA radar. Making a statement on this subject last month, Demir, GM of the Defense Industry President, stated that they can easily produce these B70 modernization kits, and indirectly mentioned that dialogue is important in order not to violate the existing license agreements of the USA.

Frankly, according to the information we received from the important journalists of the sector, it is said that the USA will not take a negative step in this regard. Already in the current conjuncture in the region, it is not suitable for the USA to completely exclude Turkey.

A more practical approach would be to channel your investments with regional tech powers like Sweden, Korea, Japan, Ukraine, Brazil, etc. These countries have robust aerospace industries, are open to industrial cooperation & do not attract much animosity globally. This would allow you guys to keep it low.

From what I have read, you Turks are going in the right direction, keeping your program limited to advanced, but less conspicuous partners such as the K2-Altay partnership or the TAI-Leonardo partnership for T-129 ATAK.

Addressing your immediate replacement needs, You could negotiate for a few Typhoon T3s with the British, who seem open to cooperating with you. France could have been an option but your bilateral ties are in the dumps due to the recent political duels between Macron and Erdogan.

War of politics. On one hand, Turkey with S400 is in shambles. On the other India enjoys the lavishes of the White House whilst petting several s400 units.

Please leave us out of this. We are not NATO members and do not enjoy its other perks. Turkey is, and it is between them and the Americans.
 

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IMO, Turkey should develop aerospace cooperation(both civilian and militarily) with China. I also care about China's experience in the field of Aerospace and its enthusiasm for pioneering new generation technologies.

absolutely not.
Turkey has normal relations with china at best.

it wasn't that long ago they openly supported uyghur independence, and eyed the western part of china(no matter how impossible it is)

sales are fine, consulting is fine. transfer of sensitive tech is a absolute no go.
 

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India should offer LCA as the Supra Powa alternative to American plane. The only draw back is the American engines. it can be banned from exporting.

The Indian solution “we send 100 Indians to push the plane until it flies.”
I doubt Tejas can compete with Chinese sales of J-11 B a Han physics certified fighter jet over 3 decades in making which was ripped off by Soviets to build SU-27

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I doubt Tejas can compete with Chinese sales of J-11 B a Han physics certified fighter jet over 3 decades in making which was ripped off by Soviets to build SU-27

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the j-11 (SU-27) was only bought by china in 1996.
the j-11B only started in the early 2000s once the technology of the j-11 was more or less digested, and only took 4-5 years to .

35 years from the year 2000 would be 2035.

your charts makes no sense because it would mean the J-11B wouldn't be in service for another 13 years from now. but reality says you're batshit insane.

in fact, the soviet air force only got su-27 in 1985
35 years from 1985 is 2020. so even if we imagine that the chinese started the J-11B the moment to soviet first got the su-27, your timeline is still screwed up.

your chart literally makes zero sense, unless you're including every little bit of research ever done that ended up going into the j-11 (and not purpose developed for the jet), like chinese general research into better steels and composites in the early 80s or research into better milling machines for general use. and counting all of that as "pre-program".

But then if you're counting those, then every plane in the world would have a "pre-program" spanning multiple decades at least if not a century.



so basically, what im saying is, what source is your chart from? I'd like to see if they clarified what they mean by "pre-program"
 

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the j-11 (SU-27) was only bought by china in 1996.
the j-11B only started in the early 2000s once the technology of the j-11 was more or less digested, and only took 4-5 years to .

35 years from the year 2000 would be 2035.

your charts makes no sense because it would mean the J-11B wouldn't be in service for another 13 years from now. but reality says you're batshit insane.

in fact, the soviet air force only got su-27 in 1985
35 years from 1985 is 2020. so even if we imagine that the chinese started the J-11B the moment to soviet first got the su-27, your timeline is still screwed up.

your chart literally makes zero sense, unless you're including every little bit of research ever done that ended up going into the j-11 (and not purpose developed for the jet), like chinese general research into better steels and composites in the early 80s or research into better milling machines for general use. and counting all of that as "pre-program".

But then if you're counting those, then every plane in the world would have a "pre-program" spanning multiple decades at least if not a century.



so basically, what im saying is, what source is your chart from? I'd like to see if they clarified what they mean by "pre-program"

it's his indian frustrations of india being unable to complete tejas for 30 years. J-11B program took less than 10 years from kits of J-11A to J-11B with integrated Chinese weapons and totally changed avionics.
 

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I doubt Tejas can compete with Chinese sales of J-11 B a Han physics certified fighter jet over 3 decades in making which was ripped off by Soviets to build SU-27

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Stop using lies to counter my facts. Most Indians make up facts when reality is too painful to digest. Such as the Supra Powa by 2030 movie that was shot in Dubai with lots of white servants. So how many white servants do you have in your house?
 

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I doubt Tejas can compete with Chinese sales of J-11 B a Han physics certified fighter jet over 3 decades in making which was ripped off by Soviets to build SU-27

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So your admitting China 20 years ago can re engineer a top fighter jet in 5-10years but India today can not even copy a Chinese Oppo smartphone? No wonder your Tejas is 30+ years and counting while China will be pushing out 6th gen fighter jets while your still working on your paper plane tejas.
 

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Turks will most likely go with the British as the partners. Covers the engines as well since RR would be a strategic partner.
 

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Stop using lies to counter my facts. Most Indians make up facts when reality is too painful to digest. Such as the Supra Powa by 2030 movie that was shot in Dubai with lots of white servants. So how many white servants do you have in your house?
Don't get triggered Han, rather celebrate J-11 B's supremacy. If J-11 B were used by Wang Wei, history may have changed too
 

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Turkey and South Korea are highly likely. Political relations between Turkey and China are unstable.
South Korea can do nothing when the us gov say no,their "home made" weapons can't leave the technologies and parts from the us.There is no different between Turkey and South Korea on such thing.
 
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All key players in the MENA will be neutral or tilt toward Eurasia in cold war two. MENA will focus more on local manufacturing of arms in the future.....the Turks far are ahead of the other MENA players in aerospace. The turks are the most likely to have a local fighter or joint venture combat AC, IMO.
 

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