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Will the advanced Chinese- Pakistani "JF-17 Block 3" fighter be the next guest of the Egyptian Air Force?

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Guess china should sell it then to avoid comission and ask pakistanis to produce it just like the myanmur ones which were photographed being produced in pakistan
IMO LCA is better option as eygpt has very close ties to both isreal, USA and india
Pakistan has the right to achieve profits, but why did he buy a plane at a price of 29 million dollars and the same plane he bought from China for 16 million dollars? This is the matter. China sells it without any ammunition at 16 million dollars. Pakistan sells it for 25 million dollars. It is natural that any big buyer will go to China and not Pakistan from Price and gain factors, just as the project is basically Chinese technology and the source of technology. China is the one that mainly grants technology transfer, and Egypt has required other munitions and other technologies. It is natural for China to provide it, not Pakistan.
 

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Pakistan has the right to achieve profits, but why did he buy a plane at a price of 29 million dollars and the same plane he bought from China for 16 million dollars? This is the matter. China sells it without any ammunition at 16 million dollars. Pakistan sells it for 25 million dollars. It is natural that any big buyer will go to China and not Pakistan from Price and gain factors, just as the project is basically Chinese technology and the source of technology. China is the one that mainly grants technology transfer, and Egypt has required other munitions and other technologies. It is natural for China to provide it, not Pakistan.
Loooool. What the hell are you on about.
Its a joint project so sales strategy will be joint.
16 million and 25 million. That's a huge disparity.
Some customers prefer to deal with the Chinese especially arabs...ego issues as they consider themselves better than us. Even though a tiny Jewish state occupies Al aqsa and they can't do Jack
 

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Pakistan owns 58% of the project...negotiate with who ever you like...we will get the majority of the money.

Why is Egypt not buying from its best friend....Israel. I mean cousins should keep it in the family
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The fact that Pakistan produces 58% of aircraft parts is my propaganda. Why first Pakistan has manufactured the air frame because it is a modest technique of aluminum and not using composite materials in high percentage . It is Pakistan’s desire to keep the price of the plane very low. The offspring of manufacturing is talking about what Pakistan is doing with local production by licensing them to Chinese Pakistan may assemble radar with components that are half Chinese and half Pakistani, or the important and sensitive parts are Chinese. Therefore, Pakistan calculates that it is producing radar completely locally. If Pakistan possesses any aerial technology, why did it not apply it to other aircraft or even to the manufacture of components, whether civil or military, as long as it possesses even a minimal level of local technology, then the parts that come from the manufacture and manufacture of the hull and some limited parts of not give real Pakistani output 58%, either reported Simple, we get over it

The story that some do not understand is that you want a fighter that can serve long years in the structure of the plane, for a Pakistani plane, which is dedicated to the age of 4000 flying hours or 25 years of service, which is very low and its inability to carry out sharp maneuvers due to the weakness of the structure. Or 40 years, which are points that the Pakistanis forget in evaluating the plane, even the Indian plane, which is 8,000 hours old. The level of threats The matter here is the difference of demands and the different capabilities that are commensurate with Pakistan and the modesty of the level of the Indians is not commensurate with the stronger threats from other countries such as Israel and Turkey Let us illustrate a simple example Turkey is allied with Pakistan Why did it decide to produce the Hurjet and not buy it from its Pakistani ally. Training We will find the plane needs a very high level of development to suit the training requirements

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The JF-17B has chances that the deal is agreed upon in a satisfactory manner for all parties so that everyone can benefit and meet the demands.
 

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The fact that Pakistan produces 58% of aircraft parts is my propaganda. Why first Pakistan has manufactured the air frame because it is a modest technique of aluminum and not using composite materials in high percentage . It is Pakistan’s desire to keep the price of the plane very low. The offspring of manufacturing is talking about what Pakistan is doing with local production by licensing them to Chinese Pakistan may assemble radar with components that are half Chinese and half Pakistani, or the important and sensitive parts are Chinese. Therefore, Pakistan calculates that it is producing radar completely locally. If Pakistan possesses any aerial technology, why did it not apply it to other aircraft or even to the manufacture of components, whether civil or military, as long as it possesses even a minimal level of local technology, then the parts that come from the manufacture and manufacture of the hull and some limited parts of not give real Pakistani output 58%, either reported Simple, we get over it

The story that some do not understand is that you want a fighter that can serve long years in the structure of the plane, for a Pakistani plane, which is dedicated to the age of 4000 flying hours or 25 years of service, which is very low and its inability to carry out sharp maneuvers due to the weakness of the structure. Or 40 years, which are points that the Pakistanis forget in evaluating the plane, even the Indian plane, which is 8,000 hours old. The level of threats The matter here is the difference of demands and the different capabilities that are commensurate with Pakistan and the modesty of the level of the Indians is not commensurate with the stronger threats from other countries such as Israel and Turkey Let us illustrate a simple example Turkey is allied with Pakistan Why did it decide to produce the Hurjet and not buy it from its Pakistani ally. Training We will find the plane needs a very high level of development to suit the training requirements

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The JF-17B has chances that the deal is agreed upon in a satisfactory manner for all parties so that everyone can benefit and meet the demands.
What a load of crap.

Ps I have a masters in aircraft design from Cranfield and what you have written above is childish drivel.
I won't be addressing a closed loop person. Have a nice day
 

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The fact that Pakistan produces 58% of aircraft parts is my propaganda. Why first Pakistan has manufactured the air frame because it is a modest technique of aluminum and not using composite materials in high percentage . It is Pakistan’s desire to keep the price of the plane very low. The offspring of manufacturing is talking about what Pakistan is doing with local production by licensing them to Chinese Pakistan may assemble radar with components that are half Chinese and half Pakistani, or the important and sensitive parts are Chinese. Therefore, Pakistan calculates that it is producing radar completely locally. If Pakistan possesses any aerial technology, why did it not apply it to other aircraft or even to the manufacture of components, whether civil or military, as long as it possesses even a minimal level of local technology, then the parts that come from the manufacture and manufacture of the hull and some limited parts of not give real Pakistani output 58%, either reported Simple, we get over it

The story that some do not understand is that you want a fighter that can serve long years in the structure of the plane, for a Pakistani plane, which is dedicated to the age of 4000 flying hours or 25 years of service, which is very low and its inability to carry out sharp maneuvers due to the weakness of the structure. Or 40 years, which are points that the Pakistanis forget in evaluating the plane, even the Indian plane, which is 8,000 hours old. The level of threats The matter here is the difference of demands and the different capabilities that are commensurate with Pakistan and the modesty of the level of the Indians is not commensurate with the stronger threats from other countries such as Israel and Turkey Let us illustrate a simple example Turkey is allied with Pakistan Why did it decide to produce the Hurjet and not buy it from its Pakistani ally. Training We will find the plane needs a very high level of development to suit the training requirements

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The JF-17B has chances that the deal is agreed upon in a satisfactory manner for all parties so that everyone can benefit and meet the demands.
You are right JF17 is bad Tejas is good. We have made internal structure out of cotton which is really flexible :P I hope this helps you sleep at night :)

P.S: Your logic about Turkey's Hurjet and not buying Pakistani JF17 is rather exceptional. 5 stars for having intricate understanding of how world, diplomacy and industry development works.
 
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India is offering the LCA plane at a price of $ 30 million to Egypt for the training version.
India company is offering LCA 70-80 M USD a piece to its own airforce (6.37 B USD for 83 jets i.e 48000 Crore Indian rupees)

How can they offer a foreign country with 30 m usd a piece

 

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Pakistan has the right to achieve profits, but why did he buy a plane at a price of 29 million dollars and the same plane he bought from China for 16 million dollars? This is the matter. China sells it without any ammunition at 16 million dollars. Pakistan sells it for 25 million dollars. It is natural that any big buyer will go to China and not Pakistan from Price and gain factors, just as the project is basically Chinese technology and the source of technology. China is the one that mainly grants technology transfer, and Egypt has required other munitions and other technologies. It is natural for China to provide it, not Pakistan.
Hmm (BIG CLAPS).

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Who is he ? Did a person bought a plane or a country I am a little confused ? Also I am sure you did light reading on the contracts of 16 million and 25 million (I am not even sure if its the correct amount I am just taking your word for it). I am sure both contracts delivered the exact same thing ... there were basically no differences right as they probably provided you the contracts the minute it was signed I am sure .. its only natural.
 

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Loooool. What the hell are you on about.
Its a joint project so sales strategy will be joint.
16 million and 25 million. That's a huge disparity.
Some customers prefer to deal with the Chinese especially arabs...ego issues as they consider themselves better than us. Even though a tiny Jewish state occupies Al aqsa and they can't do Jack

Egypt does not prefer to deal with China. It is not as you think it is about who will provide a better package in everything
Egypt neither hate Pakistan nor refuses to deal with it, but the matter is related to integrated deals
The story of China is better than Pakistan. Feeling less is the reason for your lack of development

On the contrary, the Pakistanis are blind to hostility against the Arabs, for they are allied with the Turks who steal Arab wealth, including oil, water and land, and are allied with the Iranians. They are the ones who initiate hatred and hostility, not the Arabs. You put yourselves on Turkey’s side against us from the ground up and we did not initiate any hostility or alliances with India against Pakistan as you did with Pakistan. Turkey does not put the matter in the side of a political conflict, we do not put you in this context

If you have a good product, we will negotiate it, and if you have something that is useful to us and that is useful to you, we will not reject you trying to them that your product is good and we refuse to buy it and this is not real. There is international competition if you are good, you will find someone who will buy from you. The value of this is your thought, not ours. We do not deal with you in this matter

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It's about a product and service in exchange for value

Is Pakistan going to buy from Egypt a T-90MS or M1 or even ST-100/500 of course you did not buy and did not offer to buy a product that you are supposed to want to buy your products to buy our products or is it obligatory for us to buy your product even if it does not fit or we make your value less than us And we do not respect you, this is your thought, not us
 

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Egypt does not prefer to deal with China. It is not as you think it is about who will provide a better package in everything
Egypt neither hate Pakistan nor refuses to deal with it, but the matter is related to integrated deals
The story of China is better than Pakistan. Feeling less is the reason for your lack of development

On the contrary, the Pakistanis are blind to hostility against the Arabs, for they are allied with the Turks who steal Arab wealth, including oil, water and land, and are allied with the Iranians. They are the ones who initiate hatred and hostility, not the Arabs. You put yourselves on Turkey’s side against us from the ground up and we did not initiate any hostility or alliances with India against Pakistan as you did with Pakistan. Turkey does not put the matter in the side of a political conflict, we do not put you in this context

If you have a good product, we will negotiate it, and if you have something that is useful to us and that is useful to you, we will not reject you trying to them that your product is good and we refuse to buy it and this is not real. There is international competition if you are good, you will find someone who will buy from you. The value of this is your thought, not ours. We do not deal with you in this matter

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It's about a product and service in exchange for value

Is Pakistan going to buy from Egypt a T-90MS or M1 or even ST-100/500 of course you did not buy and did not offer to buy a product that you are supposed to want to buy your products to buy our products or is it obligatory for us to buy your product even if it does not fit or we make your value less than us And we do not respect you, this is your thought, not us
You ate a waffler. We are hostile to the Arabs looool news to Pakistanis...

But its takes an Indian to figure that out.
 

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India company is offering LCA 70-80 M USD a piece to its own airforce (6.37 B USD for 83 jets i.e 48000 Crore Indian rupees)

How can they offer a foreign country with 30 m usd a piece

That's why devil lies in details

enior government sources have clarified to Business Standard that each Tejas Mark 1A will cost no more than Rs 315 crore to build, with the total manufacturing cost adding up to Rs 26,145 crore.



The balance of the Cabinet clearance includes allocations for tax and for maintenance and support infrastructure in the two operational air bases that will be home to the four squadrons of the Tejas Mark 1A.

Of the Cabinet’s total allocation, government taxes and levies constitute about 20 per cent, or about Rs 9,000 crore. Effectively, the Ministry of Finance will be appropriating a large chunk of the defence budget through taxing an indigenous weapons platform.

At Rs 315 crore ($43 million) per fighter, the Tejas Mark 1A would be a viable competitor in the international market for light fighters. It would be less so if taxes took up its cost to Rs 378 crore ($51 million). Competitors, such as the Sino-Pakistan JF-17 Thunder, are cheaper with a unit cost of $25-30 million. However, the Tejas Mark 1A outperforms them in avionics and weaponry.

While the Tejas LCA programme has been run by the DRDO, through an organisation called the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), developing and manufacturing the Tejas Mark 1A was entrusted to HAL. However, ADA, which holds all the source codes of the Tejas, charged HAL a sum of Rs 800 crore for its partnership.

An expenditure of Rs 1,202 crore has also been budgeted for setting up “ground support equipment” (GSE) and “ground handling equipment” (GHE) in both the Tejas Mark 1A airbases. This equipment is required for the ground end of flying operations – getting the fighter aircraft started up and airborne, carrying out maintenance checks and a certain level of repair and replacement of modules.

Also I dont know when anyone claimed 30 million US dollars.
 

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All about HAL SpORT (Next-Generation Supersonic Omni Role Trainer Aircraft) Price tag USD 30 million
The plane will depend on Indian avionics completely, even radar, and the disposal of Israeli components according to the requests of some customers


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India adds the price of 43 million dollars for the export versions in the Malaysian competition, and the price for any fighter depends on the quantity. The price, for example, is down 10% if the number of aircraft exceeds 40 aircraft because it is possible to operate production lines for a longer period.


If we notice something else, the FC-1 production program for you exceeds the production cost of 150 million dollars, we assume that the extension of the development program for the JF-17 BLOCK III version also costs an additional 75 million dollars. Pakistan, according to the production and export program, the number of aircraft will exceed 225 aircraft according to domestic demands and the export market. That is, the share of each aircraft from the development program is $ 1 million, and let's clarify other things. The structure of the J-10A fighter used to cost $ 1 million to manufacture in China, and China was marketing it in 2009 to Egypt at a price of $ 25 million at this time with a complete armament package.

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International competition pressures India to reduce the price of the plane, especially since China is competing with it with the J-10C aircraft at a price of $ 40 million that includes training, spare parts and an ammunition package, which forces India to significantly reduce the price India. The same situation has cost the development program for its fighter, perhaps much higher numbers, but the cost of development is on The volume of production of 300 aircraft will reduce the price of the plane, so the export of the LCA plane is also a good factor in reducing the cost of making the plane, especially since India targets many local components whose manufacturing cost is lower than the price of imported components. India also does not object to technology transfer, which competes with China in this field.

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Definitely no AESA, then the Chinese would never cooperate with us again.


What influence does Israel have in Pakistan? If israel had any influence in Pakistan i doubt it would be negative to begin with and the likes of nawaz/zardari would be in jail. Just look at how Nawaz backstabbed his own Saudi backers to the deteriment of our nation, when he owes his own life to the saudis for saving him from being hung... and you think the israelis would be stupid enough to trust liar pakistanis? that is the aukat of our leaders yet you think we are so special that ISRAELIs have some intelligence on us lol
valid points but my point was towards Egypt not Pakistan. Israel definitely doesn't have much influence on Pakistan via America. with GCC countries establishing friendly relations with Israel, the Egypt might really need a Pakistani jet since it has better option of western jets it will use against Iran and other Muslim countries that are not yet friendly to Israel.
 

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JF-17 B3 is a capable multi role fighter, Egyptian air force has shown keen interest in it but they want it on a platter with TOT as a free lunch. Why they think so they availed many big tickets offers free or at a nominal price or price paid by third party. So they want to have JF17 too in similar way. Now what is for Pakistan and China to offer such a free package to Egyptian air force? Absolutely Nothing. There is no practical chance of such happenings right now.
 

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It's simple bid and ask, and Egypt has better offers than other suppliers
The JF-17 for the Pakistanis is better than the F-22, but if it meets our demands, technically and financially, we buy it.

It's very simple to view and request
Egypt does not have any negotiations with Pakistan on the basis of the JF-17. There have been old negotiations with China for many years and Egyptian demands have not been met, and Egypt has already bought Rafale & MIG-29M SU-35 fighters

Consequently, we do not need a much light fighter, as we are in the process of contracting a CH-7 UCAV, which will replace modest ground attack fighters to perform.


And the offers of advanced training aircraft from the Czech Republic, Italy, America, India, and any country that meets the Egyptian demands we deal with. We are not running behind anyone, and the most important thing is the performance of the plane, not the wishes of some. The only JF-17B is only the price, as even the Italian M346FA aircraft are equipped with AESA radar, advanced electronic warfare systems and missiles such as MICA
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Some seem to think that he has a technology. There is a surprise that MBDA will establish production lines in Egypt for the production of MICA-NG, given that Egypt's demand for this missile is large and the French company NAVAL offers to produce 10 Corvettes Gwind 2500 in a new shipyard that will be inaugurated within a month and also offered to Egypt production Scorpion 2000 submarine submarines in the construction basin in Marsa Matrouh,
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Egypt. Some people are very nave and delude that they have modest equipment. The Russians produced 120 MIG-35 fighters in Egypt, and the Russians previously transferred missile production technology to China and supported the SD-10 program, as well as China's production of the KH-31 missile under the name YJ-91 in China. As long as you buy more than 50 Russian fighters, you have the right as a buyer to transfer the technology.



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