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Will not allow Indian content as 'it damages our culture': CJP

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  1. VCheng

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    Yes, but please do keep in mind that such bans on one medium do nothing for access to a plethora of other means to access the same content, if the demand is there.

    Culture is always changing by the interaction of its people with other cultures, both good and bad. It is simply not possible to impose culture on a people. The people get to determine it by their choices actually exercised, not by the choices imposed on them according to any particular ideology or viewpoint.
     
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    At age 20 i can imagine your situation :)
    Are you still a virgin ? :lol:
     
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    Actions speak louder than words and see now you feel ashamed to answer and accept the reality :lol:
     
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    You're making the same argument used by a drug dealer to sell drugs. "Hey, if I don't sell drugs, someone else will!".

    Just because we cannot control access to Indian content through the Internet or smuggled DVDs, or illegal movie theaters, we do not have to facilitate its access through TV and Cinema.

    Sure, people will always find p**n. But do we legalize it on prime time TV and movie theatres? The answer is no because p**n runs counter to our cultural values.

    The ban in TV and cinema will have an impact, even if it is not as great as we would like it. Besides, it can be extended to legal access on the internet. Already, youtube, netflix, and numerous other sites control access to content based on your location.
     
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    But sorry if i offended a 20 year old Casanova :lol:
     
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    India's Bollywood should make a film on rape and how it can be controlled and stopped and how women can protect them selves more better like with self defense etc … seems to be the most active and famous past time hobby these days from indian lads and there monkeys.
     
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    Agreed. specially the sikh community is portrayed as a much bhangra dancing comedy reflects at worst or as brain dead cannon fodders.
     
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    Well, consider the many countries who have decriminalized drugs to see for yourself the evidence against your argument. Canada just legalized marijuana for the same reasons. Similarly, your other point of por n can be refuted as well.

    Such bans simply never work.
     
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    Indian material is available pirated all over Pakistan, it is available on cable TV, he should also take steps to stop that too. Another thing, why ban Indian films, when Pakistani content is just as filthy? When will censors work to prohibit this material?

    The bigger question is, where is the haya in the consumer? My parents forbid bollywood films in our home and dramas. They did not watch any of it. We didn't get cable because they knew about the PPV ****, and didnt want it in their homes. They ensured there was only 1 TV so anything we watched could be supervised. They prohibited us from watching anything negative ourselves. As young children we knew if a TV show was violent, or sexually suggestive or had foul language - we could not watch it and we continued that as young adults.

    In your teen years everyone breaks the rules, but the key is you know you are breaking the rules - you know what you are supposed to do and not supposed to do. You choose to do bad, knowing full well it is bad and accepting that you want to do it regardless. You are not confused.

    I like many boys my age, grew up listening to gangster rap. Tupac, Biggie, Enimem, Warren G, Dre, Mos Def, all the big names. I made mix CD's to play in my car. As an adult i continued to do so, my musical tastes diversified somewhat. As a father though i stopped. My daughter was in my car with me one day (she was just a toddler) and i was listening to these songs and she was trying to copy the words. I threw all my CD's away. I didn't want my daughter listening to this, i didn't want her having her self worth influenced by rappers, or anyone else.

    Why are Pakistani parents watching such content in their families? Why aren't they controlling what their kids watch?

    My daughter listens to music, not very often but in the UK it's all around us. I told her clearly when she was old enough to understand that some songs say rude things and some dont. If she wants to listen to a song she tells me what it is, and i check the lyrics. When she's older i'll tell her why i object to the lyrics. I want to equip her and all my kids with the knowledge to know right and wrong and make their own judgement on what they want to do.

    What steps are the general public taking to discuss this content with their own children? We live in a dangerous world ladies and gents, our values are constantly being attacked. You can't ban away the problem, you have to equip yourself and your kids with the facts and arguements in support of your values.
     
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    "Such bans never work" is a highly generalized statement. In fact, in some cases, such bans work very well. Since you are giving an example of Canada, marijuana has been legalized (albeit with a very high level of regulation), but other "hard drugs", such heroin, crystal meth, bath salts, etc, remain illegal i.e. banned.

    As for p**n, it is highly regulated with access only available online or through cable. Besides, strictly speaking p**n is not in conflict with Western culture. While it is generally frowned upon as a lifestyle, at the basic level, sexual attitudes and inclinations are left to personal choice.

    In terms of media, states ban all kinds of contents. Videos promoting terrorism or terrorist recruitment videos are banned. Even a small, private media outlet could get into serious trouble if found airing such content.

    Other contents that are officially or unofficially banned include, holocaust denial, content promoting violent or harmful behaviour, such as people committing crimes, or even ideological material such as content promoting communism, scientology, or any of the numerous "cults" considered unacceptable.

    So such bans do exist, and are quite effective.
     
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    Do any of your examples include banning publicly released films and TV programs from a particular country? How well do such bans work in your view given the technology these days?

    Very well put!
     
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    The point is controlling access to content is neither new, nor ineffective. The criteria of determining what content to control or ban is what's in question. There are numerous reasons for controlling access to content, which may include politics, ideology, values, origin, messaging, or even economic protectionism. All these reasons have been used, are valid, and can work.