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Will China Crush U.S. Military Role In Pakistan?

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  1. Devil Soul

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    Will China Crush U.S. Military Role In Pakistan?
    By Polina Tikhonova on September 12, 2017 7:00 am in Politics

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    The China-Pakistan all-weather friendship enters its turning point as Islamabad turns to Beijing to help replace U.S. military aid and technical cooperation.

    U.S. President Donald Trump finally unveiled his much-anticipated Afghan strategy in August, and it largely focused on putting the burden of the fight against terrorism on Pakistan. Because of that, U.S.-Pakistani defense ties are expected to dwindle week by week.

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    China and Pakistan are in the middle of their major air force drills, which began last week and will run through September 27. Meanwhile, Islamabad is likely to turn to Beijing in a bid to replace the U.S. military aid it was receiving. The Trump administration decided previously that it would only give Pakistan access to $225 million worth of military assistance when it stops providing “safe havens” to terrorist elements.

    China-Pakistan military cooperation on the rise
    The China-Pakistan friendship has seen its new rise in the wake of Trump’s address to the nation last month, in which the U.S. President warned that Pakistan had “much to lose” by continuing to harbor terrorists on its soil. Islamabad has vehemently denied this accusation ever since U.S.-Pakistani relations went sour in 2011.

    Now Islamabad is likely to prompt China to develop their military and technological cooperation to replace the military aid losses from the deteriorating U.S.-Pakistani ties.

    The ongoing joint air force exercises between the Pakistan Air Force and the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) demonstrate that the two allied nations have continued to increase their coordination since 2011. That’s the first year the joint drills dubbed “Shaheen” took place.

    For this year’s Shaheen VI training exercise, China sent some advanced aerial units to Pakistan, including Shenyang J-11 twin-engine multi-role fighters, Xian JH-7 fighter-bombers, and KJ-200 airborne warning and control system (AWACS) aircraft. The Chinese army also contributed surface-to-air missile crews and radar operators to the drills in order to increase air force coordination with Pakistan.

    Is China replacing U.S. military aid to Pakistan?
    The increased aerial coordination of the China-Pakistan air forces is set to improve counterterrorism operations against non-state groups in northeastern China. It could also boost China’s military preparedness in the border row with India. Meanwhile, the state of the Pak-China defense partnership is coming under increased scrutiny amid Trump’s decision to cap Pakistan’s access to U.S. military aid.

    When asked if China could replace U.S. military aid to Pakistan, a Chinese diplomat told ValueWalk on condition of anonymity, “Not at the moment.” The diplomat added that U.S. military aid to Islamabad and China’s military aid to the South Asian nation are “two different things.”

    Natalya Zamarayeva of the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences told Sputnik on Sunday, “Whether China will be able to replace the US in terms of giving military aid to Pakistan, it is a question which can be answered in the future.”

    Are China and Pakistan really “iron friends”?
    Although Pakistan is still recovering from the political crisis caused by the disqualification of formerPrime Minister Nawaz Sharif in July, it’s already clear that the new Pakistani PM Shahid Khaqan Abbasi places great importance on China-Pakistan military ties.

    This was evident from Abbasi’s visit to a Pakistan Air Force airbase located at Sargodha in Punjab province during the ongoing China-Pakistan air force drills. Last month, Abbasi met with Chinese Vice Premier Wang Yang, and the two exchanged in-depth views on promoting the partnership between the two nations. They also agreed that Islamabad and Beijing are “iron friends.”

    Pakistan’s interest in promoting China-Pakistan relations was also evident from last week’s visit of Pakistani Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif to China to discuss bilateral relations, the war on terror in the region, and achieving peace and stability in Afghanistan. During the meeting, China reaffirmed its support for Islamabad and praised its all-weather ally for the fight against terrorism.

    Beijing immediately reacted to Trump’s harsh words about Pakistan last month. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying urged the international community to “fully recognize the efforts made by Pakistan in fighting terrorism.”

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    China and Pakistan reach security cooperation deal along CPEC
    The China-Pakistan anti-terrorism efforts are expected to soar following Beijing and Islamabad’s agreement to step up cooperation in security and the fight against terrorism along their joint economic corridor. The security cooperation deal was reached last week during a meeting between Pakistani FM Asif and Meng Jianzhu, head of the Communist Party Central Committee’s Commission for Political and Legal Affairs.

    The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) is a pillar of Chinese President Xi Jinping’s game-changer Belt and Road Initiative. CPEC is reportedly being protected by Pakistan’s 15,000-strong military force along the corridor that connects China’s Xinjiang province to Pakistan’s Gwadar Port through a network of rail and road projects.

    As both regions are facing challenges from Islamic militants, the two nations have strengthened their joint anti-terrorism cooperation to protect the $54 billion corridor.

    China’s Pakistan policy has remained intact
    In what comes as a yet another indication of China’s support for Pakistan in the wake of President Trump’s criticism of Islamabad, the BRICS declaration unveiled earlier this month did not link Pakistan to terrorist groups. Pakistan’s Interior Minister Ahsan Iqbal told reporters on Monday that the declaration made by the leaders of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa (BRICS) reinforces Islamabad’s stance that banned terrorist groups are not accepted on Pakistan’s soil.

    Mr. Iqbal insisted that China’s policy on Pakistan has remained intact and that the BRICS declaration against terrorist groups contained “nothing new,” despite the mounting pressure on Pakistan from the international community.

    Are China, Pakistan, Russia and Turkey forming a bloc?
    Pakistani FM Asif’s trips around key Eurasian nations has revived the theory that China-Pakistan, Russia and Turkey could form a united front in response to President Trump’s Afghan strategy.

    The three nations were included in the list of nations visited by Pakistani FM last week. While the exact details of the talks between the nations, whose positions on the Afghan war are in accord, remain undisclosed, experts argue that Beijing, Islamabad, Moscow and Ankara could be on the way to forming a bloc.

    Speaking in a personal capacity, Moscow-based political analyst Andrew Korybko told ValueWalk last week that by joining the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), Turkey could allow Pakistan, China, Russia and Turkey to form a “bloc within a bloc for strengthening regional integration processes and reforming the global economic and financial systems.”

    The SCO is a China- and Russia-led Eurasian political, economic, and security organization. Turkey has made a U-turn in its foreign policy plans lately, seemingly abandoning plans to join the European Union (UN) and seeking closer ties with SCO nations instead.
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    Lets see if this bloc could actually challenge and oppose US policies in the open. A gradual attempt should be made towards diplomatic resolution of Afghan crisis with all parties on board including the Taliban and not just which US or India thinks should be added.
    If US sanctions Pakistan, we should return the favor by sanctioning all US and NATO supplies going through Pakistan. Ultimately US will have to learn the hard way that they cannot force their way out of every situation and Pakistan is a key player who's interests and fears about ANA and Indian nexus are legit and they will have to be addressed before any settlement in Afghanistan could be reached.
     
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    Pakistan-China-Russia-Iran can make an alliance over this issue and can throw the foreign occupiers by just denying them any access through their land or airspace.
     
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    Reality check! USA and China are not Pakistan's allies. They are allies of their interests and objectives. When the objective is achieved suddenly Pakistan looses its importance. In history every powerful nation has abandoned a weak, burdensome ally, when the burden got too much to carry. And China in the future will not hesitate to disown Pakistan and it's interests when the force against Pakistan is a nation with which Chinese have more trade. Pakistan's situation is, Bakray ki maanh khayr mana rahi heh, meaning Pakistan is like a sheep running around to escape the impending slaughter [of Eid/America], each year it escapes, it goes i just survived a attempt on life. Being a weak nation Pakistan really has no allies. It has nations whose interests have kept it alive till now.

    Creation of Pakistan. Americans started supporting financing Pakistan to prevent it from becoming communist block. When that threat began to weaker and Pakistan became irrelevent Soviets invaded Afghanistan and suddenly Pakistan become prominent. Used by Americans and Western nations to train and prepare Wahhabi/Deobandi millitants to fight in Afghanistan against Russians. Russians left eventually and now Pakistan supported Taliban ... Saudi Arabia and countries surrounding it funded Taliban advance cause Wahhabism/Deobandism was gaining foot-hold. That came to an end and Pakistan allied itself with the Western nations against Taliban after 11th Sept and have remained relevent until American army pull-out. Now when the shit was about to hit the fan. Allah sent the Chinese as a blessing in disguise. Pakistani government present and future all should be working to ditch America soon as and taking advantage of Chinese interests and ensuring they have China so entangled in Pakistan due to their interests that they cannot and would not dare to do what they have done to North Korea (i.e. ok'd, sanctions).

    In short Pakistan is a country being kept alive due to interests of others. And Pakistani public and goverments have done nothing to get this far after independence. Its purely a act of miracle that useless country like Pakistan still exists and will continue to exist till for seeable future. Bottom line is a country is only good as the leadership of country. And leadership of Pakistan to be frank I wouldn't make them presidents of Noora Kushti match. They do not have traits of leaders. At best I would appoint them presidents of gutter cleaners organisation in Pakistan. The only sensible and intelligent leader Pakistan produced with all his faults, including irreligious secularism, was Bhutto. He truly understood global politics. And only other Muslim leader who truly made this grade and exceeded Bhutto is Iran's former president Ahmadin Nejad. Currently Pakistan doesn't have a/any leader who can actually lead Pakistan with dignity and respect. Even a backwater like North Korea demands and has earned more respect then Pakistan.

    With regards to Afghanistan. Pakistan should open new front against Afghanistan, claim so and so region of Afghanistan is Pakistani territory, start producing maps depicting it as such. And I don't mean a little village around the border, but far as, Kunduz, Baghlan, Kabul, Ghazni, Kandahar, Lashkar Gah, Zaranj. And then give Pakistani tribals the permission to gradually over inhabit Afghan territory and with aim of protecting the life of Pakistani citizens give Pakistani free hand to deal with ANA as they deem fit. And territory taken by Pakistan and its inhabitants should be provided all the facilities and amunities as rest of Pakistan. Create jobs, provide health care, education, etc. And win the population over. Also ask China to give back the territory they got from Pakistan and alternatively make them unresistable deals for their companies. And sign defense pact with China. Thats my vision for greater Pakistan.
     
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    You Can Block Yank Goods Passage to Afghanistan ----
    You can even Block Costal Sea to Make things More Difficult.

    In Return Yanks --- Got Big Pockets to sustain aerial delivery for Years.

    Amareika does lot of Arm Twisting to IMF to Lend you Greeen Bucks in Distress (This Fact should never be Over Looked)....

    Lets Say Paksitan Blocks for 6 months -- Papa USA will stop All Arms Supplies (Thats Fine)
    But If Yanks Stop Spare SPPLIES --- All your Cannons to A/c will be Grounded....

    Many Pakistanis fail to Concede the 1982 - 40 F16s you have Got are Worked up and Need Extensive Replacement. Turks have done Minor Polishing -- Till Americans approve they cant give Major Refit.

    If you were Smart -- (1) You will send an Envoy to Russia --- Saying We would like to be in Your Camp --- We would like you to be Our Big Brother (!!) --- This One Act of Defiance will Put Amareika in Its Place...

    You are Smart - (2) Tell Yanks, we are Giving F16 b52,P3C To China to Copy.
    It will take Huge Balls of Steel to do above 2 actions.
    (1) This would also mean no more freebies and Immediate Cash in Crisis Situation(s)
    (2) Yanks might just use Aerial Path for Goods, PAF wouldnt even dare Touch
    (3) Yanks will Pump in More Drones and Assaults in your Land. Bringing more Instability.

    & pls dont reply by Saying Mr Han is Big Brother, they charge you Collateral for Every Ounce of Steel Lent ---
     
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    I object some content of your post but agree with the rest of it!
     
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    China and Pakistan have maintained this close relationship for 6 decades and it passed down through several generations, probably it will still last for another 6 decades so please just do some predictions within your life time. At least you can be still alive to see if they would come true or not.
     
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    Which part do you have objection bro :-) since my comment is basically a single sentence :partay:
     
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    Actually its a word there :p:. I don't want to qoute it for the moment as it will flare up things:D

    Btw nothing personal with u , I'll explain u later.:-)
     
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    I am sorry my Pakistani brother I do not share your fantasy. I am being realistic. I know the past, present, and based on events of these I can assume the future. I am unlikely to be around sixty years. I am already 37, maybe another 30/35 year if I go by life expectancy. What I am saying is any unbiased analyst will tell you. You know I can too, sing praises of our relationship with China, and too decide to live in fantasy of eternal friendship between Pakistan and China, and comfort myself that nothing will ever go wrong with China Pakistan relationship.

    Problem with Pakistan and Pakistanis is that we become friends with people and nations. Pakistani presidents become buddies with presidents and will do anything for their buddy president. Professional presidents are friends uptil you serve their objectives. Soon as you don't you're no longer a friend. Pakistani presidents busy themselves cultivating personal relationships and not professional. And you're taking your friendship and thinkng Chinese president feels the same. Their friendship is professional and business friendship and it ends when they have no buisiness.
     
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    I'm Chinese
     
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    Is it your opinion or you copy pasted it?
     
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    But I know you're not. In this forum there are a lot of Indians and Pakistanis who claim to be somebody they are not.

    Well that's my opinion. If it was copy pasted. All you do is, copy paste, in google and you would find the source if it was copy pasted.
     
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    lol , That's the first time I learned that I m not Chinese. we can talk in Chinese, can you do that?

    I've got warned sereval time for posting some Chinese language material on PDF. I hope you know that.
     
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    Fei lung ji!