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why we won in 1965 and why we lost afterwards,,

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  1. paindobaba

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    First of All salute and respect to Martyrs of 1965 war, then a declaration that I am not biased about any political party nor pro to any party, my affiliation is only and only with my Belief and Pakistan and jawns of my armed forces, don't get flamed if I hurt someones liking, میں اس شہر کا سب سے بڑا فسادی ہوں ،،میں جو دیکھتا ہوں وہ کہہ دیتا ہوں،
    1965 reminds us two things !we were a nation and leadership was least corrupt and trustworthy, we were economically incompatible to our enemy but morally were strong than them, and results were in our favor and so was Devine force, the Hybird war in these years was just limited to propaganda etc . But as we came out of 1965 war Victorious the ideological enemies of us were not only astonished surprised but were afraid of us too, it was not a single enemy they were all including USA and west ,infact USA and west are of more concern, so from there on they laid the foundation of great hybrid warfare against us. we became the victims of their hybrid warfare since then, it was their policies whitch we willingly or unwillingly followed and suffered the catastrophe of partition of East Pakistan from us. it was not failure of any institution but it was the failure of the whole Nation and of the state,. were we aware that hybrid war is going on us and we were lenient towards it and we didn't had a plan to counter it? I will say we were incompetent! we had a great chance to become a financial power during the the Afghan jihad against Russia we should have blackmailed America to lay the foundation of industrial development in our country otherwise we wouldn't have rendered them our services, but instead we just earned peanuts and secretly developed our nuclear program for which we are proud but it is very least compensation that we got for destroying a superpower in favour of America. DID WE LEARNT SOMETHING FROM AFGHAN JAHAD? NO WE DIDN'T LEARNT ANYTHING ONLY COUNTRIES WHICH LEARNT A LESSON FROM AFGHAN WAR WAS RUSSIA ITSELF AND CHINA! they learnt that financial power is the only thing through which you can rule and dictate the world no matter how much arms you have they won't matter in the hybrid warfare of the coming years best example of the week financial condition was the destruction of Russia itself, WHAT WAS HYBRID WAR AGAINST US? making us economically weak ,dependent on others and deprivation of education and industrial base through the implanted tools of hybrid warfare on us. WHO WERE THEIR TOOLS? sectarian groups ethnic groups corrupt heads of political parties infiltrated bureaucracy and illiterate general public who wasn't as sin full to this self destruction because they wasn't even aware what's going on . so this conspiracy goes on and so does the hybrid warfare and in the result of that what we accumulated are the leaders like Nawaz Sharif a dumb businessman and corrupt too, ethnic hound dog like Altaf, religious stooge like Fazlo, mother of all evils or father of all evils Asif Ali zardari, a cheater a liar a u turner and addicted to self appeasement and some other things Imran Khan ,who can easily be blackmailed buy reham Khan or by peerni etc, THE ESTABLISHMENT PART IS MISSING?. yes how can they be spared ! aren't they equally responsible? yes they are, they assumed that they can avoid this hybrid warfare by just appeasing the foreign establishments and leaving the rectification of basics, and that basic is literacy and industrial development, they tried to clean the dirt and ablute the nation but unfortunately the water they used was of sewerage, NOW WHAT IS THE POINT, a hybrid warfare loss is a gross term, it is term in which enemy defeats you without fighting a direct war , and it's achieved by making you to believe as a nation that your are successful in fooling the ideological enemy establishments and you are winning, the moment you are engulfed in this trap it is the moment you lose, Is Pakistan now a winner of this war? no off course not, we lost it , what we have accumulated is mess ,a society whose moral values are shattered, whose system is failed to deliver and a nation who doesn't have a vigilant leadership at all levels, HOW TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION? we are a ideological state as is Israel , India, China, USA , Iran etc , laughing at me? let me explain Israel is ideologically a Jew state what ever goes against the Jews they will destroy it and they are not hesitant of admitting it and doing it , are they ? India once upon a time a secular state though it was a deception but now they are an open Hindu fundamentalist state will they change because Muslims and others don't fit with them? no they won't, China is a socialist communist country Wii they change to Western puddle democracy because USA &his allies want it to change? no they won't, USA is a capitalist and now a white racist country will they change to a secular socialist country because China Russia and Muslim want ? no they won't, IRAN is Shia fundamentalist country will they change to Suni Muslim country ? because Saudi Arabia and other Suni want, no they won't,. All these countries are following different ideological system and they are safe sound and viable , you know why ?they have not left loopholes in their systems and their deep States are committed and loyal to their ideology who ever differs is eliminated thus remains no chance of falling victim of Hybrid warfare. Now where and what is our ideology? this is what we need to identify and adhere to it , who protects and guards a nation's ideological base ? the powerful pillar of the state and that is deep state and if they fail it means you are losing a hybrid warfare, stay blessed long live Pakistan @Wa Muhammada @Markhoor @Khafee @Dubious
     
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  2. AZADPAKISTAN2009

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    We won in 1965, then enemy went back on plotting board and devised a plan to modernize their weakness at same time they initiated Espionage operations inside Pakistan

    The activities reached peak between 1965 and 1971 , with Spies and Civil disturbances by bought out assets flamed civil disorder

    Pakistan itself was sanctioned for participating in War with India we were not able to upgrade our Assets, Pakistan was reluctant to add muscle to Navy and that weakness was exploited

    Similar patterns Exist even in Modern Days, post a direct punch on face on February 27th , Indians went silent , preferring to gather more weapons , while they continue to secretly try to buy assets in KPK / Baluchistan to spread civil disorder. There love for weapons is visible even now buying while weaponry from USA, French and Russia.

    They continue to spread stupid stories in order to appear more dumb then what they are in reality

    In India their is a lock down on giving homes, Hotel residence against Pakistani Passport holder and difficult to cross border but Pakistanis are being forced from outside to allow India to trade thru Pakistan

    a) Open Airspace is requested for favor of India
    b) Trade good crossing is requested to favor India

    We lacked strategic depth i.e Nuclear weapons or strategic assets in 1971

    Pakistan never focused on their Navy back in 65/71 and that difference showed
    For Navy we continue to overlook induction of Destroyer Grade navy ships
     
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    Once You Allow Religiously Motivated Vigilantes To Roam Your Streets And Lynch Anyone They Want.You Are Well On A Path Of Destruction
     
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    How did Pakistan win 1965 war? India acquired more land of Pakistan while Pakistan only gained small piece of Indian desert land. India destroyed more tanks of Pakistan than vice versa. India had bigger navy even in 1965 but was not used as war never escalated beyond a point. India did lose more planes than Pakistan but that was more about surprise attack of Pakistan rather than Pakistan winning.

    Pakistani navy was smaller than Indian even in 1965. India had an aircraft carrier in 1965 itself while Pakistan only had smaller ships and that too in smaller numbers.
     
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    Thats a confusing narrative isn't it.

    Step 1: Try infiltration --> get turned in by Kashmiri locals

    Step 2: Cross LOC --> attack stalls fails

    Step 3: India attacks across IB almost reaches Lahore

    Step 4: Ceasefire. India captures more (fertile) land and Pak (desert land)

    Declare victory for Lahore not being captured.

    Weird.
     
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    The real weapons of India are Mujibs, Mukti Bahinis, TTP/s, BLAs etc...
     
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    Well Indian approach has always been to shake your hand , and then pass the dagger to one of the backstabbers

    The Kalbushans of the world and the Mir Jafers

    The recent shift by Modi has been a bit more direct , he launched Moon mission and then at same time took over Kashmir against the will of it's people

    Moon mission failed and of course Kashmiri people stated what they wanted.


    1965 , also stifled investment coming into Pakistan as their were sanctions and sanctions of 65 meant alot of hindrance for Pakistani Banks and successful companies

    India is trying hard these days to impose similar financial sanctions on Pakistan using a illegal none United Nation body compromising of hand full of nations (CATSA etc FATF or what ever it is called)


    Another area perhaps what I see as a backwardness is lack of Auto Manufacturing base in Pakistan , and Railway Engine Manufacturing


    Auto Engine
    Railway Engine
    Helicopter Engine
    Plane Engine
    Ship Engine


    While Pakistan sent out , 3-4 Billion Dollars each year for 20-30 years buying from outside
    Indian kept their money inside by imposing sanctions on Import of Cars and forcing customers to buy Local Indian Manufactured cars.
     
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    I Hope Your Right But Pehlu Khan Tells A Different Story.

    As For Pakistan That Is A Past We Have Left Behind We Punish Lynchers

    https://arynews.tv/en/lhc-death-sentence-kot-radha-rishan-lynching/

    We Don't Reward Them

    http://www.firstpost.com/india/fift...ntractual-jobs-with-ntpc-limited-4142185.html
     
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    Are you talking about Today's India?
     
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    But I bet that 'Lahori Nashta' has got rotten and turned to dust in these past 54 years
     
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    Where is the GENUINE, IRREFUTABLE, RELIABLE, HONEST & INDEPENDENT evidence to support your claims? Seems like your getting your info from the same indian source which also claimed to have killed exactly 300 terrorists in Balakot and shot down an F-16..........:lol:

    @waz @Arsalan @Dubious @WAJsal @Horus
    Please take note. This indian is spreading propaganda about the 1965 war with 0 evidence.
     
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    kashimr lene aaye the lahore ke laale par gaye the .. aur bolte hai ki pakistan jitta ..wah .. bas aishe hi satisfied ho jaya karo ..
     
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    Learn from China.

    China had a far bigger rival in the form of Russia. Still China progressed day and night in the last few decades, built factories for production, became experts of reverse engineering and helped grow their economy that today China is lending to USA also. China has come up to par with Russia in many domains.

    India and Pakistan are still hanging there, wasting each others time in border skirmishes. Both got independence before China.
     
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    Cant capture a city from a country 8x smaller wierd.

    Almost lose Amritsar then quickly agree to a ceasfire wierd.

    Why would ur supapowa agree to a ceasefire if the war was going so good? Did ur rss camp ever ask u that?
     
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    China was never a colony to gain independence. China was in a civil war and it ended in 1949.

    Secondly, China has huge amount of natural resources which is not there in India. India used aluminum vessels and household goods till 1990s due to lack of nickel yo make stainless steel. India has to import oil whereas China was an exporter of oil till 1990s. India has only 40% as much water as China and 35% land as China. India only has coal, aluminum and iron in large quantities but has very little other resources. This is why India can't simply become China. Despite this, India has developed decent amount of technology. That is commendable.