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Why Pakistan Loves the F-16 Fighting Falcon

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  1. cloud4000

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    Is Pakistan Air Force infatuated with the F-16. This was true once upon a time, but this "obsession" is fading with time even though PAF is still trying to upgrade existing aircraft and acquire used ones. Then there are the Khafee leaks, claiming it will acquire brand new F16s, possibly even newer blocks equipped with AESA radars.

    Personally, the PAF should forget about the F-16 and focus on JF-17, which is becoming a mature platform.
     
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    I cannot ignore Khafee leaks. A person like Khafee can never be a hoax creator since he is representing a highly respected institution as well as his own manners and communication way is of a gentleman. Regardless, why wouldn’t PAF go for more F-16? PAF loves F-16, world loves ‘em. It’s unique, nothing like it before or now. They have been giving PAF scores in all sorts of ops so this deems it a SUCCESSFUL DECISION FOR PAF TO ACQUIRE F-16s during 20th century. Just because our relations with uncle sam are see-saw, doesn’t mean business can be ignored. If Arabs really are planning to help us In procuring more of these DazzlingFalcons , why not ?
    V upgrade as well as further MLUs and B70/72s would serve as ultimate stopgaps for PAF and IAF and PAF can totally focus on AZM then...
     
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    Our future lies with newer Block JF-17s. The Indians are going to have a heart attack if the Americans provide Pakistan with F-16 Block 70. It is out of the question.

    American relationship with Pakistan is going to remain very limited. The US has invested heavily in India to contain China. The Americans cannot afford to piss off their ally India.

    Just like Israel dictates a lot of Middle Eastern US policy, India dictates a lot of the Pakistan policy in Washington. The US doesn't have an independent policy on Pakistan.
     
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    Bhai, one cannot ignore the simple almost 4 decade hands on experience ON F-16s of our AF, it really means something. And that experience has yielded results in various situations, Feb being the most recent. I personally would love to see more of them in PAF. Block 3 might give a fight to Rafale but Block70 will keep india on their knees and bay.
     
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    Articles on Nationalinterest.org and mostly sensationalist with information readily available everywhere.

    Ps, the number of Vipers operated by Pakistan is 76 which us not correctly mentioned, also the AM/BM vipers carry the APG.68 v9 radars not APG.66.
     
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    We are not ignoring any of that. What I am saying is that F-16 is the past and JF-17 is the future. The Americans lie through their teeth when they say that Pakistan needs the F-16s when our real ace is JF-17 Block 3 and the newer blocks in the future. The AESA radar is going to provide a whole new capability which the F-16 cannot match.

    I know that, but this belief has also been held by the American government officials at the highest levels. That belief has been shattered with JF-17. Hence the sour grape articles.
     
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    what a preposterous piece of nonsense. India only dictates Pakistan policy in DC to the the extent of the incompetence of Pakistan. The Indians are organized and work across party/ideological lines to fight Pakistan while Pakistanis are segmented into various ideological and party lines, each spending premium to undermine the other. The only time they cooperate, it’s done to undermine Pakistan’s national interest.

    Imran Khan in one trip undid years of Indian conspiracies in DC. Imagine if Nawaz, Bhuttos and their soldiers did the same. Pakistan’s case will always be pathetic as long as Pakistanis compete with one another to destroy their national interest and agenda.

    It’s Pakistanis that have anti Pakistan agenda. Pakistan is geo-strategically critical country regardless of the pivot to Asia strategy. Pakistanis need to come out of the defeatist and victim mentality
     
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    PAF will take them if subsidize(~50million) and walk away if at current price(~90million with support package)
    its as simple as that..
    its about cost to benefit ratio..
    jf17 is the pirotity...
    the deal has to be better than jf17 for f16..
    f16 is simply competing with the thunder...
     
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    What is not to love a silly question lolz !!
     
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    Agreed that Pakistanis can sell themselves out to the Americans. Shakeel Afridi and many others come to mind.

    Having said that, there is absolutely no denying that India has infiltrated the WH through lobby groups and other means to influence Pakistan policy. Denying this fact is foolish. The Americans have allowed the Indians to infiltrate because prime US concern is China containment. The Americans are willing to give an arm and a leg to please India at the moment. Displeasing or undermining Pakistan to keep India happy is a very little price the Americans are gladly willing to pay. The Americans are doing exactly that and they are willing to go to extreme lenghts. Make no mistake about that. The Americans are treacherous bastards who have no principles or morals when it comes to securing their interests. They walk over dead bodies and collateral damage is the norm.

    If you believe that Imran Khan's charm offensive did the trick think again. It is not Trump that runs America. It is the deep state that calls the shots. Let me assure you, the only reason why the Americans would want to cosy up with Pakistan at this moment is to undermine and influence China Pak alliance. That is it. Nothing more nothing less. The US deep state is balls deep with India.

    The American deep state would wreck and destroy Pakistan. Too bad they cannot have it their way.

    F-16 is not the number one fighter for PAF anymore. It is prone to sanctions and the Americans monitor them day and night. The F-16 is a nice to have fighter.

    The reason why PAF decided to start developing its own fighter is to substitute the F-16. There are no ifs and buts here.

    Do you honestly think that PAF is going to put aside the blood and sweat it has invested in the JF-17 for aqcuiring obsolete F-16s? Decades have gone into building the JF-17. Just put into perspective how much pain and effort PAF went through for realising the JF-17. Even if it was a JV with China. Don't underestimate the effort. It is colossal by any stretch of the imagination. Especially for a resource lacking country like Pakistan. Now that we have reached this magnificent stage where the production rate is accelerating and the JF-17 proved its worth in recent battles you are expecting PAF to buy more F-16s?

    The only thing that would tempt PAF is the newer Block F-16s because we can actually learn from them. The latest JF-17 Block has some serious upgrades in the form of AESA radar and long range missiles. The new JF-17 is a different animal. The current F-16 Block 50/52 is advanced and awesome, but not on par with JF-17 Block 3. Not even close. We can argue about F-16 Block 70, but that is a different fighter. The Americans are never ever going sell these fighters to Pakistan. Never.
     
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    in this modern age,i give respect to numerical superiority as well.272 is a large number and too hard to handle.
     
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    and why do you think PAF is keen on inducting JF-17. Quality and Quantity.

    PAF will go for second hand or new F-16's, yes, if CSF comes through.
     
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    Luckily CSF ain't coming through anytime soon.
     
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    They did