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Why Modi sarkar is desperate for peace with Pakistan

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    In the blow hot, blow cold narrative that marks India-Pakistan relations, it’s clear for now that regardless of the strident remarks, including invocation of the K-word (Kashmir) by Pakistan on July 13, the Modi government is keen to smoke the peace pipe with Pakistan and wouldn’t like the talks derailed.

    The re-engagement with Pakistan was envisaged in the joint statement following Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s meeting with his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif on the margins of the BRICS summit in Ufa, Russia on July 10. The statement also said Modi had accepted the Pakistan prime minister’s invitation to visit Pakistan for the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) summit next year.

    The statement appeared to signal the beginning of a thaw in bilateral ties between the two nuclear-armed neighbours - until the Pakistan prime minister’s adviser on national security and foreign affairs, Sartaj Aziz, appeared to put a spanner in the works on July 13, that is barely three days after the Modi-Sharif meeting.

    Apart from insisting that no talks can happen without Kashmir being on the agenda, Aziz also said that India needed to provide “more evidence and information” on the Mumbai attacks case.

    The pithy joint statement in Ufa - drafted by the foreign secretaries of the two nations in about half-an-hour while seated on a sofa in a corridor at the meeting's venue - in a departure from the past intriguingly made no specific mention of Kashmir though it did talk about "outstanding issues".

    Sources here noted that India did acknowledge that Kashmir is an “outstanding issue” between the two countries though the fact that it did not find mention in the joint statement "seemed a good formulation".

    Among other things, the statement said the national security advisers (NSAs) of the two countries would meet “to discuss all issues connected to terrorism” and envisaged an early meeting of the director general of the Border Security Force (BSF) and director general of the Pakistan Rangers, followed by the DGMOs (Director-General Military Operations) discussing the state of the boundary.

    Apart from Kashmir, Aziz also raked up the issue of the Samjhauta Express trial and accused India of “continuing support for insurgency in Balochistan”.

    So are Aziz’s remarks a swift U-turn by the Sharif government just days after the Ufa meeting? And had the outcome of the Sharif-Modi meeting where the Pakistan prime minister had even cracked some self-deprecating jokes to break the ice come to nought with Aziz’s remarks?

    New Delhi, for now, would rather not see it this way and remains optimistic about the course of future bilateral ties. “We haven’t even begun our conversation. The Pakistanis haven’t even done a first turn so where is the question of a U-turn,” (sic) said sources in response to Aziz’s remarks. Indeed, keen to downplay the remarks in order that they do not cast a shadow as New Delhi seeks to mend ties with Islamabad, sources further said that Aziz only stated his country’s long-standing position and this doesn’t necessarily mean they were said in Ufa.

    The sources further said that the meeting in Ufa between the two prime ministers was one that discussed, “where we’re going to go and we’re still two-three steps removed from that”. But perhaps the most telling statement was this: “Nothing that Sartaj Aziz has said affects the actionable propositions we have. So the idea that he said something, everything will come to a grinding halt. We don’t say that.”

    There is also an unstated acknowledgement within the official establishment here that in making this statement, the Nawaz Sharif-led Pakistan government was catering to the expectations of its domestic constituency.

    Aziz’s demand for more evidence for the prosecution of the likes of Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, the alleged mastermind of the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, is also being seen as a setback for New Delhi after the joint statement had “agreed to discuss ways and means to expedite the Mumbai case trial, including additional information like providing voice samples”.

    It’s learnt that there was a fair amount of discussion on Lakhvi during the Modi-Sharif meeting with India keen to see “progress in some way on the Lakhvi trial” and to “see how we can take the Mumbai (terror attacks) trial forward”.

    For now, New Delhi is keen to see the joint statement as the leitmotif for the course the bilateral ties will take in the coming months. The statement, drafted by foreign secretary S Jaishankar alongwith his Pakistan counterpart Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry was described by sources as one that “captures the main points of discussion during the (PMs) meeting” and “a considered, honest, accurate, reasonable summary of the substance of the meeting”.

    Unwilling to see Aziz’s remarks as a spoiler as the two countries seek to move ahead in their bilateral relations, the Modi government is hopeful that a meeting of the two countries' NSAs slated to be held in New Delhi will take place soon.

    The proposed meeting of the DGMOs followed by that of the DG, BSF and DG Pakistan Rangers is expected to see a substantive discussion on the “state of the boundary”.

    The decision to release from custody fishermen from each other’s country and have a mechanism that would facilitate religious tourism were other takeaways from the Modi-Sharif meeting.

    With Islamabad already having raised doubts about its willingness to walk-the-talk just days after the two prime ministers met, New Delhi will be keeping its fingers crossed and hoping for positive outcomes if Modi is to visit Pakistan next year.

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    looks like india sikular libral "persstitutes" are trying level best to force modi listen to them even if it means talking against their own nation and harming its long term policy goals
     
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    Modi govt is desperate to show success in some area. They tend to show off even minor success, and their army of volunteers on internet repeat is million times.
    Now economic success(as promised) being elusive.. not because of their incompetence but because its difficult to begin with, they have to show something elsewhere. Modi govt is working on re-election from day 1.
    They dont want to repeat Vajpayee regime.
     
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    I might even have read the entire piece had she not looked like a drugged out dyke.

    Where are the pretty girls in journalism?
     
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    pretty girls in journalim become TV anchors or crespondents while the likes of writer here become... khair jane do you know what i mean :sarcastic:
     
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    What about Sagarika Ghose. And her flabby sleeveless arms.

    Permission to throw up now?
     
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    well your asking me :devil:

    well i rather like the likes of her after a "few pegs"

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    So basically ELM would like Modi to follow Congress's policy towards Pakistan. Good to see Modi-DOval following their own doctrine.
     
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    That is because the usual brinkmanship is going nowhere. The nukes have ended it all.
    What is needed is either some economic and diplomatic victory. Nawaz sees it for what benefits it will bring and so does modi. But can one get the hawkish PA and the IA's own hawks to agree is the big question.
     
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    So where is the desperation part of the argument ?? Author pls help .
     
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    brinkmanship is useful sometimes, but like a child who loses all fear, you cant always use brinkmanship. It has to be calibrated and for specific purpose. You should have ways and means to carry out threat, if you wish to threaten somebody. Did not earlier BJP govt declare 'aar paar ki ladai'?

    Incase of Modi, its primarily problem of image. He has carefully build strongman image and will not like to destroy that, and upset his core voters.
    Manmohan was elected twice on 'Mr clean' image, which was bruised by end of his tenure. He had no problem approaching pakistan, because his image allowed it.

    Anyway, we might be reading too much into it, next thing you know his minister badmouth pakistan in another forum or we come to blows again. And I agree we should not try top down approach, which heavily relies on chemistry. I doubt Modi and Sharif will be able to do even a fishing trip together. :p:
     
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    Modi is DESPERATE for peace with Pakistan?? :woot:

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    Top down approach will not work. The only thing that will work is the approach that was supposed to be taken.. Defence establishment to defence establishment. See, Modi carries with him the spectre of Godhra for Pakistanis regardless of whether it is justified or not.. Nawaz carries his infidelity over Kargil.. what is needed is the engagement that was being done pre-2008.. Military to Military back channels, FM links.. all of that.
     
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    I dont like military to military talks for things not under their remit. Especially since our military is not trained for such purpose. Sure DGMOs on both sides should sit together and deal with border related matters. But heavy lifting like kashmir, siachen, water resource sharing, trade etc needs to be done by professionals, beaurocrats on both sides. Once they clear things and lay down groundwork, political bosses get involved.
    Thats how its done everywhere, thats how it should be done.
    A lot progress(secretly) was done during Musharaf. Secrecy is the key here(weirdly although India prides herself as open and democratic country, open talks wont work)
     
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    It can only be done secretly. Open emotions wont work for the idiots of today's social media and Television infected age.
    See how Obama took care of Iran.