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Why is India in Denial as China Pushes Into Arunachal?

mazeto

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Is this lack of trust true in all NE states?
Yes. For eg our governors are almost exclusively ex-military guys.
Can you elaborate how you have more control while living under the shadow of AFSPA? Like 13 laborers guned down in Nagaland?
We have our our legislative bodies whom we elect ourselves. They are empowered to make many laws which the centre bypasses only with difficulty. We have our own police, they have so much power sometimes they clash with neighbor province police. Etc.
AFSPA is central law which override state law. Tibetans and Uighur won't have such control ( I am not implying they are being governed badly or abused. Just that they are at mercy of centre)
 

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this is not the same. 50 km in Punjab is ruled/policed by BSF whereas 40km in N.E is a no-go area for the civillians


50 km jurisdiction: Demographic imbalance in border districts due to infiltration, state police will be helped, says BSF DG

The BSF DG clarified that the allegations that paramilitary forces might start parallel policing in the concerned states are wrong. He said that the power of investigating the case and filing the charge sheet would remain with the concerned state police.


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BSF DG says infiltration in some border districts causing demographic imbalance in Assam and Bengal
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As West Bengal chief minister Mamata Banerjee and her Punjab counterpart Charanjit Singh Channi are opposing the extension of the jurisdiction of the Border Security Force (BSF) to 50 km inside the international border, the Director-General of BSF, Pankaj Kumar Singh said that a greater degree of demographic imbalance in the bordering states was one of the key reasons behind Centre’s decision.
The BSF DG said this on November 30 at a press conference ahead of the 57th Raising Day of the force.
BSF DG said that over a period of time the demographic balance in border states like West Bengal and Assam has been upset. he said a survey done by the BSF has confirmed demographic changes.
He said that it was one of the probable reasons behind the Narendra Modi government extending the jurisdiction of the BSF from 15 km to 50 km in Punjab, Assam and West Bengal.


The DG said that India has been facing infiltration on a large scale. Be it Assam or West Bengal, the demographic balance has been upset to a great degree, he said.
“Demography has changed and states like Assam and Tripura witnessed agitations because of these reasons. In many districts of West Bengal demographic structure changed. I would not call them just refugees. This was probably the reason Centre decided to extend the jurisdiction of the BSF to support state police to catch infiltrators,” he said.
Infiltration caused demographic imbalances and changed voting patterns
Referring to a survey conducted by the BSF in some border villages, he said that the demographic changes were very definite. He further pointed out that even the voting patterns have changed in certain border districts.
BSF denies any parallel policing
The BSF DG clarified that the allegations that paramilitary forces might start parallel policing in the concerned states are wrong. He said that the power of investigating the case and filing the charge sheet would remain with the concerned state police. He explained the context under which the Centre extended jurisdiction of the BSF.

He said that the Centre issued notification essentially in the context of the Passports Act and the Passport (entry into India) Act with the earlier dealing with people going out of the country and the latter with the people entering into the country. The notification purely aims to check infiltration and demographic imbalance and to support local police.

BSF DG clarifies jurisdiction of central forces and agencies
He said that not only paramilitary forces but there are also multiple other forces and agencies that have powers to take action anywhere within the country.
“If somebody is carrying arms and ammunition, the BSF can take action under the provisions of the Arms Act,” he said adding that the BSF has been doing this as per the rules for the past 25 years.
“In India not only BSF there are six-seven different forces which can take action wherever deployed. Even if these forces are deployed 500 km away from the border it can act against such elements,” he said.

The BSF DG explained that there are several other Acts that enable BSF to stop illegal activities in border states, like the Arms Act and Customs Act. The current changes are made in just 3 sections of 2 Acts and are only aimed at preventing illegal crossings of the border from inside or outside.
Centre issues notification to extent BSF jurisdiction of BSF
On October 11, the Ministry of Home Affairs issued a notification to bring amendments into the 2014 notification that deals with the jurisdiction of the BSF along borders where it was deployed.
Hence the 2021 notification outlined the new jurisdiction as “whole of the area comprised in the states of Manipur, Mizoram, Tripura, Nagaland and Meghalaya and Union Territories of Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh, and so much of the area comprised within a belt of 50 km in the states of Gujarat, Rajasthan, Punjab, West Bengal, and Assam, running along the borders of India”.
The 2014 notification covered “whole of the area comprised in the states of Manipur, Mizoram, Tripura, Nagaland and Meghalaya, and so much of areas comprised within a belt of 80 km in Gujarat, 50 km in Rajasthan and 15 km in Punjab, West Bengal and Assam, running along the borders of India.
Opposition parties oppose new jurisdiction
The Congress-ruled Punjab and Bengal ruled by the Trinamool Congress (TMC) have been vehemently opposing the extension of the jurisdiction. While Punjab Chief Minister Charanjit Singh Channi termed it as a direct attack on federalism, West Bengal Transport Minister Firhad Hakim accused the Centre of trying to interfere in the matter of states through central agencies. Mamata Banerjee met Prime Minister Narendra mod to demand the withdrawal of the extended jurisdiction.


 

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We have our our legislative bodies whom we elect ourselves. They are empowered to make many laws which the centre bypasses only with difficulty. We have our own police, they have so much power sometimes they clash with neighbor province police. Etc.
AFSPA is central law which override state law. Tibetans and Uighur won't have such control ( I am not implying they are being governed badly or abused. Just that they are at mercy of centr

So you have your own "legislative bodies whom we elect ourselves", and yet, "your governor is always ex-military man"? And "AFSPA is central law which override state law".

What exactly makes you feel you have more control than Tibetans and Uyghurs?
 

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So you have your own "legislative bodies whom we elect ourselves", and yet, "your governor is always ex-military man"? And "AFSPA is central law which override state law".

What exactly makes you feel you have more control than Tibetans and Uyghurs?

Governors do not rule in India. The real power is with the Chief Minister of the state. AFSPA is only limited to policing. States make their own laws.
 

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So you have your own "legislative bodies whom we elect ourselves", and yet, "your governor is always ex-military man"? And "AFSPA is central law which override state law".

What exactly makes you feel you have more control than Tibetans and Uyghurs?
It's called inbuilt checks and balances. Xi xinping may be a statesman, but if a Mao clone follows him with" Cultural " revolution there is nothing to stop him from persecuting minorities
 

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more than that. 5 in the original ambush then a whole lot more protesters were murdered for protesting the killings of the 5

It would have been on international headline news for days, had this happened in Tibet or Xingjiang. Yet some member from NE is trying to convince us that they have more control of their destiny.

India is getting away with murder just because it's on the side of the West.
 

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It would have been on international headline news for days, had this happened in Tibet or Xingjiang. Yet some member from NE is trying to convince us that they have more control of their destiny.

We do not need some cheap publicity by foreign countries. We want action by our own government.
 

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It's called inbuilt checks and balances. Xi xinping may be a statesman, but if a Mao clone follows him with" Cultural " revolution there is nothing to stop him from persecuting minorities


Well, your check and balance did not stop an ex "terrorist" (by US desination) from becoming your PM.
here they are firing at the protesters expending 1000s of rounds

TRT bastards are spinning it as an armed raid on the bharati army


It would have been called "Nagaland Massacre” if this happened in China.
 

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Well, your check and balance did not stop an ex "terrorist" (by US desination) from becoming your PM.

A US designated person may still be eligible to become the PM of India but a person convicted by Indian Law will not.

India is ruled by Indian law and not by US or Chinese law.
 

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There is push back from Bengal and Punjab too.

Bengal Assembly votes for withdrawal of BSF's 50 km order by Centre

 

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Maybe. But the above situation is exacerbated by the fact that in Arunachal our own army prevents us from approaching the border, forget about using the land. In most places severe restrictions are placed 40-60kms away from the LAC(Mcmahon line) and about 20 kms from LAC nobody is allowed to even approach. It's almost like our government doesn't want us to contact or observe the other side. Whereas in the Indo-Bangladesh and Indo-pak border civilians can cultivate right up to the boundary and even chat each other up.
Contrast this with the Chinese putting up villages inside the McMahon line and taking our traditional land. Their hunters are coming 50-60 kms inside the LAC in summers and leaving tell tale signs. It's frustrating.

Your claims seems to be over exaggerated. Tawang is located only at a distance of about 16 km from the LAC (McMohan Line). By your account, then, it shall be under the occupation of Chinese, which obviously is not the case. In my opinion, Chinese have never crossed the McMohan Line, as delimited on the maps, except for a short period, during 1962 War, which they vacated after the unilateral ceasefire.
 

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A US designated person may still be eligible to become the PM of India but a person convicted by Indian Law will not.

India is ruled by Indian law and not by US or Chinese law.

Fair enough. So just enjoy whatever Indian democracy delivers to you. :enjoy:
 

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