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Why Iran Is Quite Capable Of “Shooting-Down” US’ Most Advanced Fighter Jets Like F-35s & F-22 Raptors?

Imran Khan

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Friendly fires are a part of war .. they always happen in tense war zones. We Iranians have massive enemies lined against us unlike you so incidents like these are an eventuality.

LONG LIST of US and allies firing at their own targets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents#Iraq_War_(2003–2011)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents#War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–2016)

We should have imported pakistani air defence, the land where same US enters, lands its seals, kills people and leaves undetected. The same US which gets its multi million USD stealth aircrafts shot by Iran regularly..

We have massacred our enemies in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon including US multi times. Something that you can not even dream of. You are just mad mad and still not over the fact that you were conquered for millenia by us Turko-Iranics.
it was not friendly fire other side was civilian jetliner sir . please read the definition of friendly fire again .
 

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it was not friendly fire other side was civilian jetliner sir . please read the definition of friendly fire again .
well, if we are discussing the term to be used here , what about collateral damage.
it was a lapse of protocol and the ones responsible were 10 people who were identified and disciplined accordingly . it was not a deliberate attack on some civilian jet like What happened to Ariana airline plane
 

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well, if we are discussing the term to be used here , what about collateral damage.
it was a lapse of protocol and the ones responsible were 10 people who were identified and disciplined accordingly . it was not a deliberate attack on some civilian jet like What happened to Ariana airline plane
yeah we can say it collateral damage killing own 176 people and iran is still banned by many countries /airlines to over fly since that day . in return on 0 US solder was killed that day . 0US vs 176 + sulemani is very high price to pay .
 

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yeah we can say it collateral damage killing own 176 people and iran is still banned by many countries /airlines to over fly since that day . in return on 0 US solder was killed that day . 0US vs 176 + sulemani is very high price to pay .
well,that day every one saw you can rain missile on the head of USA force. that day an idol broke.
 

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we clearly had the capabilities to track and bring down the most advanced USA drones like RQ-4 or RQ-170 .the interesting part is in both case they were not aware of being tracked until , well they were out of sky . RQ4 had the most advance warning and countermeasure system USA can offer and it even didn't triggered. just wonder which country is capable of building an airdefence that is capable of hitting low observable aircraft from 80 km away without even turning on the radar . you will be hit while in blissful ignorance of being targeted, that's the beauty of Iran airdefence
look at Sentinel being tracked 12 years ago
RQ-4 is equipped for ISR missions from impressive altitudes and distances at maximum.

"The USAF's willingness to cancel its E-8C JSTARS radar aircraft recapitalization plan for a vague 'distributed model' of radar-carrying aircraft, for instance, would be much better explained and supported if the existence of an RQ-180, or even a fleet of 'Super Sentinels' were disclosed. Those aircraft could potentially provide high-quality radar information and other intelligence and networking products while operating deep inside an enemy's anti-access bubble—something that the Global Hawk or a bizjet configured E-8 replacement aircraft simply cannot do." - Joseph Trevithick and Tyler Rogoway (2018)

RQ-4 does not have SEAD capabilities and is not LO-optimized to penetrate A2/AD arrangements either.

RQ-170 is equipped for ISR missions and LO-optimized to penetrate A2/AD arrangements subject to good planning and execution. Now RQ-170 does not have SEAD capabilities either but its LO-optimized design can deliver results in some environments. This UAV made it possible for CIA to monitor sensitive developments in Iran since 2007 and they suffered a loss in 5-12-11 (one-time event). The operators were utilizing this UAV in broad daylight conditions over Iran on 5-12-11 which is indicative of complacency on their part. Iran was vigilant on the other hand.

The aforementioned loss did not spell doom for shadowy missions in regions of interest but relatively superior UAV configurations and employment tactics are being hinted by informed sources lately.

 

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RQ-4 is equipped for ISR missions from impressive altitudes and distances at maximum.

"The USAF's willingness to cancel its E-8C JSTARS radar aircraft recapitalization plan for a vague 'distributed model' of radar-carrying aircraft, for instance, would be much better explained and supported if the existence of an RQ-180, or even a fleet of 'Super Sentinels' were disclosed. Those aircraft could potentially provide high-quality radar information and other intelligence and networking products while operating deep inside an enemy's anti-access bubble—something that the Global Hawk or a bizjet configured E-8 replacement aircraft simply cannot do." - Joseph Trevithick and Tyler Rogoway (2018)

RQ-4 does not have SEAD capabilities and is not LO-optimized to penetrate A2/AD arrangements either.

RQ-170 is equipped for ISR missions and LO-optimized to penetrate A2/AD arrangements subject to good planning and execution. Now RQ-170 does not have SEAD capabilities either but its LO-optimized design can deliver results in some environments. This UAV made it possible for CIA to monitor sensitive developments in Iran since 2007 and they suffered a loss in 5-12-11 (one-time event). The operators were utilizing this UAV in broad daylight conditions over Iran on 5-12-11 which is indicative of complacency on their part. Iran was vigilant on the other hand.

The aforementioned loss did not spell doom for shadowy missions in regions of interest but relatively superior UAV configurations and employment tactics are being hinted by informed sources lately.

Americans after losing their high value asset :
Guys! Don't mind, that was a shit technology flying with no proper capabilities. We lost it for fun and nothing happened really.
 

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RQ-4 is equipped for ISR missions from impressive altitudes and distances at maximum.
it's equipped with the most advanced counter measure and jamming equipment USA can equip its drone with and incidentally that package is more advanced than what they sell on many of their airplanes. the point is that package even was not aware of it being tracked or the missile is locked on it
Those aircraft could potentially provide high-quality radar information and other intelligence and networking products while operating deep inside an enemy's anti-access bubble—something that the Global Hawk or a bizjet configured E-8 replacement aircraft simply cannot do." - Joseph Trevithick and Tyler Rogoway (2018)
something that RQ-170 supposed to b able to do
RQ-4 does not have SEAD capabilities and is not LO-optimized to penetrate A2/AD arrangements either.
its designed with features that lower its radar signature , and again the point is not that the point is it's defensive features failed badly. and even if it was a sead arplane that also was not important ,it was targeted more than 70km away and that range could have been 120km away if we wanted.
RQ-170 is equipped for ISR missions and LO-optimized to penetrate A2/AD arrangements subject to good planning and execution. This UAV made it possible for CIA to monitor sensitive developments in Iran since 2007 and they suffered a loss in 5-12-11 (one-time event). The operators were utilizing this UAV in broad daylight conditions over Iran on 5-12-11 which is indicative of complacency on their part. Iran was vigilant on the other hand.
the problem we were following its activity for several month not only that time , we wanted it so we designed and put a trap ther and triggered it on 5-12-11 and then get our hand on 20 years of research and development in designing aircraft.
The aforementioned loss did not spell doom for shadowy missions in regions of interest but relatively superior UAV configurations and employment tactics are being hinted by informed sources lately.
well we never had problem with USA sending its toys over here we even encourage it . after all look at Yaser, Shahed 129, Saeqeh 2, Shahed 171, Shahed 191. and who want to bet Kaman-22 will benefit from the technology from RQ-4
 

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count the number of purple heart and USA didn't attack on Iran Soil for us to attack on USA soil
But they did kill ur most important and most famous general, some even saw him as successor to khamenei himself. I guess that is worst than attacking iranian soil. The reply, not even a single US private killed, and u call that revenge?
 

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But they did kill ur most important and most famous general, some even saw him as successor to khamenei himself. I guess that is worst than attacking iranian soil. The reply, not even a single US private killed, and u call that revenge?

and thats just one of many "mysterious" things which happened
 
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it's equipped with the most advanced counter measure and jamming equipment USA can equip its drone with and incidentally that package is more advanced than what they sell on many of their airplanes. the point is that package even was not aware of it being tracked or the missile is locked on it
:disagree:

American electronic equipment categories for reference:

AN/ALQ-xxx (Multipurpose/Special)
AN/ALR-xxx (Receiver)
AN/ALT-xxx (Transmitter)

An aircraft that is equipped and optimized for SEAD missions will tick all of the categories and/or will be very strong in the AN/ALQ-xxx category particularly. For example:



An aircraft that is equipped and optimized for SEAD missions will have the capacity to detect/spoof/jam/disrupt an A2/AD system and subject it to HARM strikes from considerable distances.


Global Hawk series is equipped with AN/ALR-89 self-protection suite at maximum; this suite does not enable SEAD missions for the host platform. Not even close.

This:

"The Air Force has been trying to convince a skeptical Congress to allow the service to finally divest itself of most of its Global Hawk fleet. The RQ-4 can only be used over permissive airspace and has no ability to penetrate contested airspace, which is becoming a problem as the U.S. shifts its gaze from the wars of the Middle East to the Pacific theatre."

- is LITERALLY stated in 2013 in the following well-informed source:


Perhaps Iran felt that shooting down an RQ-4 would be a solid marketing strategy for one of its A2/AD assets? This is not much of a kill to brag about TBH. Many countries are capable of shooting down UAVs including some of the HALE types.

"RQ-4 does not have SEAD capabilities and is not LO-optimized"
:rofl:

lol, that's why it's price is $220 million!
let me:
:rofl:
See above.

Global Hawk class is very expensive due to its sheer size, high degree of automation and incredibly sophisticated ISR equipment. Some of the most expensive technologies in the world are of the ISR variety.

Shall I laugh now?

something that RQ-170 supposed to b able to do
Yes, and I have adequately covered this theme in my previous response.

RQ-170 = LO-compliant design (Limited ability to penetrate contested airspace). It is optimized for ISR missions which are not advertised to increase their probability of success. There isn't much bragging about success stories in relation due to "secrecy factor."

In case you were wondering, RQ-170 is not a proxy to VLO-compliant B-2A Spirit, F-22A Raptor and F-35 Lightning II which are designed to actively penetrate A2/AD arrangements and partake in offensive missions in contested environments. Just be glad that Iran is untouched by war since 1980s; there are numerous destructive technologies that your country will experience [only] in wartime conditions (God forbid).

its designed with features that lower its radar signature , and again the point is not that the point is it's defensive features failed badly. and even if it was a sead arplane that also was not important ,it was targeted more than 70km away and that range could have been 120km away if we wanted.
RCS reduction is fairly common consideration for numerous military assets including ships since World War 1. This does not suggest that numerous military assets are LO-compliant in the true sense of the word. Global Hawk series is not LO-compliant design in the true sense of the word for instance.

This:

"UAS are weapons systems that consist of unmanned aircraft, a data link segment, and ground control stations to control them, including human operators. Today’s UAS fly relatively slowly and are defenseless in the air. Some have reduced radar cross sections (RCS), giving them a degree of stealth. Today they are useful almost exclusively in permissive environments where the enemy has little or no ability to direct fire at them, including kinetic weapons, jamming, and cyber attacks. They are mainly employed for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR)4 and light strike missions."

- is LITERALLY stated in 2014 in the following French report:


You will find ample explanation in following thread: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/misconceptions-about-the-global-hawk-uav-and-vlo-concepts.675960/

the problem we were following its activity for several month not only that time , we wanted it so we designed and put a trap ther and triggered it on 5-12-11 and then get our hand on 20 years of research and development in designing aircraft.
There are claims and counter-claims in this matter and I won't dig into them. Since the operators of an RQ-170 variant were utilizing this UAV in broad daylight conditions over Iran on 5-12-11, Iranian defenses could notice unusual activity and do something about it (Electronic Warfare possibilities). This is sufficient credit from me to Iran.
 

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