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Another aspect. If China can take the air superiority, quite plausible given the PAF has already demonstrated it, then they can effectively use drones along with long range artillery for pinpoint strikes!! The Turkish ops in Syria and Libya have shown the Indian Army will then be sitting ducks.....

Now, the Indian leadership believes in let it be small, but let it be mine! Hence, losing big time in Kashmir is unaffordable for them since it might result in their losing the Hindu heartlands too, which had happened before!! IOK definitely can be liberated....
 
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Rubbish of the highest order.High level delusions at display.Just right now there are 2 full divisions,plus several independent infantry brigades and an independent armoured brigade plus artillery brigades in ladakh with solid local support from the patriotic ladakhis unlike in valley.Over 100 MBTs,150 IFVs,hundreds of artillery guns,dozens of jets and helicopters as well as airstrips.We have over 30,000 well dug in acclimatised troops already fortifying the area just for the china section with reserves available to be launched immediately from himachal and valley region,further reserves available from heartland later.Chinese have one main supply highway and far fewer airfields and those airfields have no protective shelters,and also load restrictions due to altitude of tibet plateau.
 

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The best thing they could do is let the inhabitants of Ladakh decide. Although it will probably end up with China anyway, since the people there are Tibetan origin and mongoloid
 

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Another aspect. If China can take the air superiority, quite plausible given the PAF has already demonstrated it, then they can effectively use drones along with long range artillery for pinpoint strikes!! The Turkish ops in Syria and Libya have shown the Indian Army will then be sitting ducks.....

Now, the Indian leadership believes in let it be small, but let it be mine! Hence, losing big time in Kashmir is unaffordable for them since it might result in their losing the Hindu heartlands too, which had happened before!! IOK definitely can be liberated....

When your enemy is crippled by internal weaknesses, a totally bull-headed government, getting ostracized by the world, and your strong ally has launched successful attacks and seizure of said enemies' territory, this is the golden opportunity to strike.

Pakistan, this is your chance. Bismillah.

Strike fast and hard, the house of cards will fall.
 

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When your enemy is crippled by internal weaknesses, a totally bull-headed government, getting ostracized by the world, and your strong ally has launched successful attacks and seizure of said enemies' territory, this is the golden opportunity to strike.

Pakistan, this is your chance. Bismillah.

Strike fast and hard, the house of cards will fall.
Amin...
 

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Ladakh is currently a hot bed between India & China. With both countries moving their forces to border and at some places China taking away huge chunks of territory from Indian Army which belonged to China & was under Indian occupation. Over the Indian media there are many debates about Chinese incursions and questions like how much China is inside Ladakh or where is China sitting. These all are just the discussion regarding Dust of war but the threat to India is bigger and more fatal than many Indians are considering. There are things happening behind the front lines which are are more dangerous.
If we look at the type of deployment that China has done in the area only then one can understated what type of danger India is in.
China over the years developed weapons which were specifically designed to facilitate high altitude warfare & there are 2 reasons behind it. Reason (A) is Pakistan the biggest consumer of Chinese weapons has a requirement for such weapons, reason (B) is China's own border dispute with India in terain which requires similar weapons.
This is what we kmow so far China has deployed along Ladakh.

Type 15 tank
Z-20 helicopter
GJ-2 drone CAIG Wing Loong II
HQ-9A SAM system
J 11 Fighter Jet
J 10 Fighter Jet
PCL-181 vehicle-mounted howitzer (Artillery Gun)
PCL191 370-millimeter multiple-rocket launcher system MRLS
Dongfeng Mengshi CSK 131 light armored vehicles.

These are the weapons which have been confirmed so far on China's side by public sightings & there will be many other weapons which will be still hidden from public knowledge. So here one will think what is the big deal every Army has weapons and all power full fueled with Hindu nationalism Indian Army also has weapons. The Answer is Yes India has a huge list vut here there is something different and lethal which has been sighted and that changes the dynamic of this conflict totally in favor of China. This new weapon is taking away the room of maneuvering away from India.
That weapons is PCL 191 370-millimeter multiple-rocket launcher system MRLS
First known in 2019 when the system was over shadowing Taiwan.
It is a Multiple Rocket Launcher System (MRLS) with a range of 350 km and precision strike.

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What makes the system so deadly?

This MRLS has the highest range (which is 350 KM)than any other adversary has in his arsenal & the area where this conflict is this system out ranges any Indian weapon. The missiles are cheap to produce and deadly and far reaching. Can deploy missile defence to counter it? Yes they can but will fail cause the missiles are cheap firing rate is much higher comes with accuracy and spamming the system can over whelm any missile defence system. Plus China has deployed the system in huge numbers which India can't match.

Image below shows the area which system covers to if deployed well with in Chinese borders.
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This system can fire a salvo of 8 missiles and multiple system like this if spammed and exploited in Ladakh can turn Indian Army into an insurgency with in few months. This system can cut all Indian supply routes not only to Ladakh but also to Kashmir while staying well with in China's border and protected by Chinese defences. It will not only make India lose Ladakh but India will also lose Kashmir to Pakistan.

PCL 191 is not just MRLS but it is a strategic check mate. It is cheap accurate deadly and precise.

For India who was always concentrated to west towards Pakistan it is very difficult to fight China due to lack of infrastructure for deployment as every curve on the mountain road becomes a choke point. India Army will lose this war even before it will reach the battle field. The best future for India lies in surrendering to China's will make peace in the region and stop becoming puppet for non Asians who want to stop the progress of the region. This is a small taster from China which will remove 50 from 52 inches.

Brilliant write up, must go to front pages of PDF. Lots of folks would know when to surrender to MRLS.

Logic 101: You do not surrender your territory to an aggressor just because it has greater fire power.

@BHarwana is an eminent Pakistani writer, logic varies based on geographies.

Just look at depth of the writeup

The best future for India lies in surrendering to China's will make peace in the region and stop becoming puppet for non Asians who want to stop the progress of the region.

Stop being puppet of one but surrender to other.
 

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5. Pakistan also goes for kill, captures whole of JnK, china captures ladakh. Pakistan and china win. :yahoo:

beware indian ,
according to some pakistanis , pakistan has single handedly defeated two super powers , disintegrated USSR and defeated USA in afghanistan . this time china is behind pakistan . so save india this is turn for another 1000 rule of pakistan is on the cards .:omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

Dont know about the Chinese/Turks relationship but I am certain Turks are our brothers.

even bangladeshis are your brother .

When your enemy is crippled by internal weaknesses, a totally bull-headed government, getting ostracized by the world, and your strong ally has launched successful attacks and seizure of said enemies' territory, this is the golden opportunity to strike.

Pakistan, this is your chance. Bismillah.

Strike fast and hard, the house of cards will fall.

how much time do you give us ? one week ? :enjoy:
 

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Brilliant write up, must go to front pages of PDF. Lots of folks would know when to surrender to MRLS.



@BHarwana is an eminent Pakistani writer, logic varies based on geographies.

Just look at depth of the writeup

The best future for India lies in surrendering to China's will make peace in the region and stop becoming puppet for non Asians who want to stop the progress of the region.

Stop being puppet of one but surrender to other.
The recommendation represents a best case scenario for Indian interests. In reality, India needs to make some form of external compromise with China and Pakistan to relieve itself of multiple pressures internally and externally. ISI clearly destabilises Hindustan internally and China supports those efforts. What the post is suggesting is that there are still windows of opportunity to reach a solution with Pakistan and China that would limit the damage being done to Hindustan. It's up to India whether she heeds such advice.

Personally, I disagree with @BHarwana in that I wouldn't make any such overtures. India should be encouraged to collapse as quickly as possible into multiple peaceful, manageable city states.
 

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