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Only delusional idiots will claim that south Indian Languages descended from Sanskrit or all Indians have the same ancestry. And everyone knows that if the British hadn't united the entire land, India as it's known now would not even exist.

India is a collection of different nations held together with ignorance of the population and fear of Islamic dominance. Indians have been brainwashed since childhood that the reason why this land was over-run was because everyone was divided, but so was Europe. European nations were more divided and used to fight more bloody wars than any of the smaller nations which existed in India. But they successfully resisted the Islamic invasion and even threw them out of the continent after a few years. But Islam successfully crushed the nations here in this sub-continent. Why is that the highly divided Europeans can accomplish a task which the people of this sub continent can't? Incompetence, lack of fighting spirit, and mass stupidity are a few things which comes to mind, which even exists today.

India is a dysfunctional country. Collecting all these different nations under one roof has not made it strong, it has made it FAT! India needs to go on a diet. Administrations work more efficiently if the number of people it rules over is less. States should go their own ways and educate their populations into becoming britans, frances and germanys of sub-continent, instead of a dysfunctional, fat and a good-for-nothing country.
 

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Are you seriously claiming that you have a closer genetic similarity to Aboriginals than to other Indians ?

Are you aware that Genetic Markers are NOT valid tests for Native Identity ?

You have now abandoned Linguistics and are clinging to Genetic markers to declare you are "special". This is a bad move since the genetic distribution in Tamil Nadue itself is not consistent and consists of various different groups. There goes your claim for "tamil unity".


This is a map of spatial distribution of M, R and U mtDNA haplogroups and their sub-haplogroups.




Any short memory loss, only in your previous post you claimed M130 gene from first african migration was found only in piramalai kallars tribes of tamil nadu.

Anyway, I have answered on the genetic side already on my previous posts with y-chromosomes haplographic map for all the ethnic groups.. i am not interested to answer the same question again and again.
 

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^ M Dude, you are wasting your time.

Their minds have made up. No matter what arguments you put in or what proofs you give it will not get into their thick skull. This is what brainwashing results in, stupidity. Everyone knows Mongoloid peoples and the Dravidian peoples are a separate branch in both origins and linguistics. I'm glad more people of the south are finally waking up to this fact. The sooner they shape their own destiny instead of paying their hard earned money as extortion to North Indians, the sooner they will develop their land.

LOL.... M130 gene is not from the "first african migration", its just a marker that was found in camaroon but was found only in a small part of a particular Kallar community in Tamil nadu. (its not a tribe)

Its not my fault if you do not understand what you read.
Lol.. its a gene marker.
The fact that the part of the gene has stayed put for so long is in itself a miracle as different Dravidian tribes have clearly intermingled down the millennium.
 

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LOL.... M130 gene is not from the "first african migration", its just a marker that was found in camaroon but was found only in a small part of a particular Kallar community in Tamil nadu. (its not a tribe)

Its not my fault if you do not understand what you read.
See what you wrote in your first post.. M130gene it's, serious catract problems?

I mentioned them as tribes, because they were also the one suffered under criminal tribes act during the british period. How dumb one could be to expect that a gene won't evolve/change over time due to various reasons, but believing africa as the birth place of human origin. :lol: their gene never changed, since inter marriage is strictly prohibited in their caste.
 
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1. Lemme start with the basis of The Two Nation Theory. The Congress claimed to be secular and strongly opposed having any religious state. It insisted there was a natural unity to India, and repeatedly blamed the British for "divide and rule" tactics based on prompting Muslims to think of themselves as alien from Hindus. Jinnah had squarely rejected the notion of a united India, and emphasized that religious communities were more basic than an artificial nationalism. He proclaimed the Two-Nation Theory, stating at Lahore's historic meet on 22 March 1940:

"Islam and Hinduism ... are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders, and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality, and this misconception of one Indian nation has troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, litterateurs. They neither intermarry nor inter-dine together and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspect on life and of life are different ... To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built for the government of such a state."
2. Like MK Advani and Jaswant Singh, Indians should try and understand the basic message of Jinnah addressed not merely to Muslims but to all communities of SA. It is time they realized that the Brits in cohort with their stooges like Nehru, Gandhi, etc had taken them for a ride and to disaster. The Sikhs have already seen how foolish was Master Tara Singh to trust the cheat Nehru who had lost no time to declare the Sikhs Hindus in the constitution.

3. India cannot remain an unit artificially and with force of arm, money and laws for long. The bureaucracy, the political establishment, the military, the media and the film world, the Brahmin hierarchy and above all the capitalist big biz have each acquired huge stake in the continuation of ROI. This notwithstanding the fact that more than half of the country is up in arms against Delhi. Look at the list of predicaments / conflicts: Hindi is the state language but half the population will not accept that. In fact Hindi is seen not as a language alone but a colonial weapon wielded by the high cast of N India. Religious differences are well known, but within the conglomerate called Hinduism there are irreconcilable differences. Some Jinnah had highlighted. There are many more. For instance, one lot of them cannot enter another group's temple. The gods they pray to are different. Indeed most of the southerners believe Ravana, and not the weak and fickle Rama, is their hero to worship.
 

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I chanced upon this and was reading it with intense pleasure, until half-way through I gave up in a fit of despair. Why must such a well-conceived piece have been written so carelessly, with so many mistakes strewn through it?

Thank you for the effort, however. Although I cordially despise your politics, this was a most felicitous thought.

I did read this, and it seems strange.

The author mentions that most major civilizations formed along the banks of a great river... Yangtze for China (wrong... it was actually the Yellow River in Northern China)... and the Indus River for India. Giving India claim as a civilization state.

Which would make sense if we were talking about British India. But not the Republic of India, since the vast majority of the Indus River exists in modern day Pakistan.

And from what the Pakistani members have been saying, they fully oppose Indian claims over this river or any history related to it.

So when the author talks about "India" they seem to be talking about the entire South Asia, which the Pakistani and Bangladeshi members here strongly oppose.

It's like when we mention that the Buddha was from Nepal, the Indian members here say "it's the same thing as India". But it's not? India is not the same thing as South Asia, just like China is not the same thing as East Asia.
A sadly inept critique.

Great post @Samudra Manthan . I am reminded of the stories of Adi Shankaracharya my late grandfather would tell me as a kid. Then I read about him myself in later years, truly phenomenal visionary. It is the philosophical revolution he brought in that united our Dharmic culture like no other before and since that guarantees our nationhood from within.

You are very right in exploring the nuance between a "nation" and a relatively more temporary "country". India will always be a nation for many reasons....ever since the Mahabharat epic and Maurya empires. This is what some people will never understand....they can never understand the meaning behind the name Bharat....and how the story of his descendants shaped India into a nation by exploring ethics, philosophies, human nature and passion that are the root of all civilisation.
It seems preferable to concentrate on cultures, on civilisations, and on nations, nation-states. These should form and mould our thinking, not the ephemeral nation-state.

I understand tamil so there is no need for anybody to explain anything to me in tamil. The limitations in the english language makes me spell the world that way, but you understand the essence of what I am saying.

"naya paisa" comes from the hindi world "naya" meaning "New". not the sanskrit word.

Thiru IS a old honorific word. Only it comes from Sanskrit. Not Tamil.

All gods are called Thiru i.e "high" (as in high and mighty)

That is why Kerala capital city is called Thiru-anantha puram.

The city where the Lord vishnu lies high on the Anantha snake.

The famous Tirupati temple is called that because it means "lord of the high" or "Master who sits high".

The entire southern usage of the world Thiru comes from Sanskrit.

The root word for Thiru is "Dhruva" which means Pole star in Sanskrit.


BTW "Thiru" also means "Shri" in sanskrit.

You might also wonder why Indian state "Tripura" is named that way.

Its "Thiru-pura", "high city" or "place of stay that is high up". Unless of course you think "Tripura" is "Tamil".
You might also like to mention to the deranged disputant you have so bravely taken on what is the meaning of ubhayavedantam. Also what has been shown to be the beginning of current Tamilian polity in the treatises on south Indian history coming out in copious quantities: a bibliography can be supplied if anyone is interested. It turns all that we learnt from the revered Nilakantha Sastri on its head.

He is ignorant as well as being bad-tempered. Not a savoury combination.
 

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It seems preferable to concentrate on cultures, on civilisations, and on nations, nation-states. These should form and mould our thinking, not the ephemeral nation-state.
Of course. The nation was forged in such a long-term way and condition that I would argue the political unions of a time can only be temporary in comparison.

Certain natural fears distract many from truly understanding that.
 

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Of course. The nation was forged in such a long-term way and condition that I would argue the political unions of a time can only be temporary in comparison.

Certain natural fears distract many from truly understanding that.

Well put.

You might also like to point to the ages of different political combinations to be seen in India (forget that nincompoop in the blog who said the Mauryas reigned from 600 BC), and to the age of the longest kingdom that was.
 

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1. Lemme start with the basis of The Two Nation Theory. The Congress claimed to be secular and strongly opposed having any religious state. It insisted there was a natural unity to India, and repeatedly blamed the British for "divide and rule" tactics based on prompting Muslims to think of themselves as alien from Hindus. Jinnah had squarely rejected the notion of a united India, and emphasized that religious communities were more basic than an artificial nationalism. He proclaimed the Two-Nation Theory, stating at Lahore's historic meet on 22 March 1940:

"Islam and Hinduism ... are not religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different and distinct social orders, and it is a dream that the Hindus and Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality, and this misconception of one Indian nation has troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two different religious philosophies, social customs, litterateurs. They neither intermarry nor inter-dine together and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspect on life and of life are different ... To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built for the government of such a state."
2. Like MK Advani and Jaswant Singh, Indians should try and understand the basic message of Jinnah addressed not merely to Muslims but to all communities of SA. It is time they realized that the Brits in cohort with their stooges like Nehru, Gandhi, etc had taken them for a ride and to disaster. The Sikhs have already seen how foolish was Master Tara Singh to trust the cheat Nehru who had lost no time to declare the Sikhs Hindus in the constitution.

3. India cannot remain an unit artificially and with force of arm, money and laws for long. The bureaucracy, the political establishment, the military, the media and the film world, the Brahmin hierarchy and above all the capitalist big biz have each acquired huge stake in the continuation of ROI. This notwithstanding the fact that more than half of the country is up in arms against Delhi. Look at the list of predicaments / conflicts: Hindi is the state language but half the population will not accept that. In fact Hindi is seen not as a language alone but a colonial weapon wielded by the high cast of N India. Religious differences are well known, but within the conglomerate called Hinduism there are irreconcilable differences. Some Jinnah had highlighted. There are many more. For instance, one lot of them cannot enter another group's temple. The gods they pray to are different. Indeed most of the southerners believe Ravana, and not the weak and fickle Rama, is their hero to worship.
But some skulls are too thick to accept the facts. Mamuni mayan(father-in-law of Raavan) plays the cultural hero role in tamil literatures seevagasinthamani, manimaegalai, etc. But he is identified as "asura maya danava" in sanskrit literatures. Now a false propaganda they have started that raavan was a brahmin because he wore thread, but these people hardly know maamuni mayan was known for construction works/aasari works and these people also wear threads even today in tamil nadu.

Pranava vedam the one believed to be written by the same father-in-law of asura raavan, maamuni mayan.. From that vedam, "om" the holy sound occupied multiple places even in their oldest rig vedic text. Tamil literature portrays lord of pranava vedam as muruga and he even taught that to lord shiva at swami malai and all his six houses are located only in tamil nadu.

Some cold heads don't know that the age of a language is not judged by the scripts, there are 10000 years old tribal languages without scripts, that doesn't mean they are younger than English.
 
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But some skulls are too thick to accept the facts. Mamuni mayan(father-in-law of Raavan) plays the cultural hero role in tamil literatures seevagasinthamani, manimaegalai, etc. But he is identified as "asura maya danava" in sanskrit literatures. Now a false propaganda they have started that raavan was a brahmin because he wore thread, but these people hardly know maamuni mayan was known for construction works/aasari works and these people also wear threads even today in tamil nadu.

Pranava vedam the one believed to be written by the same father-in-law of asura raavan, maamuni mayan.. From that vedam, "om" the holy sound occupied multiple places even in their oldest rig vedic text. Tamil literature portrays lord of pranava vedam as muruga and he even taught that to lord shiva at swami malai and all his six houses are located only in tamil nadu.

Some cold heads don't know that the age of a language is not judged by the scripts, there are 10000 years old tribal languages without scripts, that doesn't mean they are younger than English.
Mayasura is identified as a "Danava" because he is the son of north Indian Rishi Kashyap (after who Kashmir is named) and Danu. Sons of Danu are called "Danava".

If you go by the books, Surya Siddhanta and Aintiram or Pranava Veda , his home town is given as Romakapura which is outside India and on the West which is somewhere in west coast of Africa or Europe. A land of barbarians, which is why he was called Asura.

The Pranava Veda or Aintiram which is derived from Pranava, is nothing but a detailed explanation for "OM" which is also provided in Mandukya Upanishad, Chandogya Upanishad, Rg Veda, Sama Veda, Taittiriya Upanishad, Prasna Upanishad, Katha Upanishad, Narayanopanishad, Yoga Sutra, Bhagwat Gita, Linga Purana, Skanda purana, Svetasvatara Upanishad.

Pranava Veda is the binding philosophy of India. It is both Vedic and Tantrik.

I am providing you with a song that combines the essence of the Pranava Veda along with its related song and dance, both of which is as per the rules of Aintiram.

Please see the song fully even if you do not understand it the first time. You can start from 0.40 min.


Translations of the Lyrics,

OMkara is the cosmic thread that ties the celestrial song,
This is called "SankarAbharaNam" or the Cosmic law of Shiva.

The garland that embrace shiva's neck, the one that adorns Sri Hari's (Vishnu) lotus fee,
OM is that shining garland of Gems, its the Cosmic laws of Shiva.

OM is in the Raga Chandrika that comes from the Veena of Goddess Saraswati,
The one that gives goose bumps (trills you) on the nights of the month of sarada (clear sky after the rainy season)

OM is the sound from Narada's Mahati veena,
It is the song of the rain clouds in the month of sravana,

OM is the passion of the Lovers, of those who soak in the river of emotion,
The one that blossoms in the verses of the Sama Veda, it is OM, the cosmic law of Shiva.

To attain Advaita Siddhi, to gain immortality,
Music is the dreamers path,
To gain Satva guna, (best among all 3 guna, other being Rajas, Tamas), to find alternate path to the Truth,
Music is your one lifeline / soul,

This is the saint Tyagaraja's heart,
This is the home of the lord of music,
If you want liberation (of the soul), the path of bhakti Yoga offers no death,
The Heaven where song is the amrit of immortality.
 
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Mayasura is identified as a "Danava" because he is the son of north Indian Rishi Kashyap (after who Kashmir is named) and Danu. Sons of Danu are called "Danava".

If you go by the books, Surya Siddhanta and Aintiram or Pranava Veda , his home town is given as Romakapura which is outside India and on the West which is somewhere in west coast of Africa or Europe. A land of barbarians, which is why he was called Asura.

The Pranava Veda or Aintiram which is derived from Pranava, is nothing but a detailed explanation for "OM" which is also provided in Mandukya Upanishad, Chandogya Upanishad, Rg Veda, Sama Veda, Taittiriya Upanishad, Prasna Upanishad, Katha Upanishad, Narayanopanishad, Yoga Sutra, Bhagwat Gita, Linga Purana, Skanda purana, Svetasvatara Upanishad.

Pranava Veda is the binding philosophy of India. It is both Vedic and Tantrik.

I am providing you with a song that combines the essence of the Pranava Veda along with its related song and dance, both of which is as per the rules of Aintiram.

Please see the song fully even if you do not understand it the first time. You can start from 0.40 min.


Translations of the Lyrics,

OMkara is the cosmic thread that ties the celestrial song,
This is called "SankarAbharaNam" or the Cosmic law of Shiva.

The garland that embrace shiva's neck, the one that adorns Sri Hari's (Vishnu) lotus fee,
OM is that shining garland of Gems, its the Cosmic laws of Shiva.

OM is in the Raga Chandrika that comes from the Veena of Goddess Saraswati,
The one that gives goose bumps (trills you) on the nights of the month of sarada (clear sky after the rainy season)

OM is the sound from Narada's Mahati veena,
It is the song of the rain clouds in the month of sravana,

OM is the passion of the Lovers, of those who soak in the river of emotion,
The one that blossoms in the verses of the Sama Veda, it is OM, the cosmic law of Shiva.

To attain Advaita Siddhi, to gain immortality,
Music is the dreamers path,
To gain Satva guna, (best among all 3 guna, other being Rajas, Tamas), to find alternate path to the Truth,
Music is your one lifeline / soul,

This is the saint Tyagaraja's heart,
This is the home of the lord of music,
If you want liberation (of the soul), the path of bhakti Yoga offers no death,
The Heaven where song is the amrit of immortality.
Brahmin rishi kashyap married brahma's grand daughter danu, but the son born to them was a black barbarian? But the black barbarian's daughter from west(africa or europe)married a king in srilanka? Come on man, this is like tying a bald head with a sand rope.

Why i claim lord of pranavam as murugan was, all his chanting slogans starts with OM, the temple where the meaning of OM was explained by lord murugan was at swami malai where his temple believed to be in existence before 200bc. The palani temple foot note claims it was replenished by a chera king between 200ce-400ce which was covered by thick forest before, but no one knows when it was built. Except thiruchendur you won't find any hostorical evidence that when all his other 5 temples were built and by whom. Tamils oldest literature tolkappiyam claims murugan as the lord of kurunji(hills) true to that all his houses are located only in hills except thiruchendur. Murugan imprisoned brahma and kept at swami malai bcoz he told all the vedas, but failed to explain OM.

As you claim, if mayan was a barbarian then he can play hero roles only in barbarian literature, others will claim him as asura only. Then you are endorsing what i was claiming in my previous posts, that we are different from north indians. Mayan was a cultural hero in many tamil literatures which are more or less the times of ramayana. His daughter married a king called raavan in srilanka thats at a throw away distance from Tamil nadu. Even the pandiyas during ramayana war had made peace with srilanka, and it's stated by Ramayana only. So i found, what's claimed in tamil literature has more substance than the ones claimed in sanskrit literature.

I will listen to your video later.
 
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Brahmin rishi kashyap married brahma's grand daughter danu, but the son born to them was a black barbarian? But the black barbarian's daughter from west(africa or europe)married a king in srilanka? Come on man, this is like tying a bald head with a sand rope.
Danava is a Jati, a clan born from a particular lineage.

Why would you claim that son of Danu, Mayasur was black / dark ? Tehre is no reference to his skin colour in any of the books.

Danava was a noble clan, In fact the wife of Indra (king of the gods) is a Danava. She is know as Indrani, her name is Sachi and she was the daughter of Danava King Puloman.

Romakapura is the place where Mayasur was born and learnt the secrets of the Veda's from Surya himself. In Surya Siddhanta which was written by him, he gives the limits to the known world, the centre point being Mount Meru which was below the Pole star. (north pole)

In the Southern horizon was Lanka, in Norther horizon was SIddhapura, In west end was Romakapura and in the East end was Yamakoti. If we consider the centre as Bharat varsha, with Lanka as the southern most end, even then Romakapur would be in Gujarat or Rajasthan.

Mayasur could be from Rajasthan because a particular salt called "Romaka" is a extracted from Shambar lake in Rajasthan desert and used in Ayurvedic preparation. The town near it could be called Romakapura. In fact a LOT of Rajputs claim their lineage from Danava Banasura (son of Bali),

he could also be Gujarat because Gujarat was a sea faring state and Lanka was an island. It is very much possible that Mayasur had trade links with Lanka and married his daughter to the king of Lanka. In fact in Apastamba Dharmasutra the Children born of a Vaishya (trader) and a Brahmin girl is called a "Romaka".

None of the evidence will indicate Tamil origin.

In fact, Banasura who was the son of Danava Bali is recognized as the king of Assam. Danava Bali himself is recognized as the king of Kerala.

As you claim, if mayan was a barbarian then he can play hero roles only in barbarian literature, others will claim him as asura only. Then you are endorsing what i was claiming in my previous posts, that we are different from north indians. Mayan was a cultural hero in many tamil literatures which are more or less the times of ramayana. His daughter married a king called raavan in srilanka thats at a throw away distance from Tamil nadu. Even the pandiyas during ramayana war had made peace with srilanka, and it's stated by Ramayana only. So i found, what's claimed in tamil literature has more substance than the ones claimed in sanskrit literature.

I will listen to your video later.
Mayasur was a VERY great Scholar, he only happened to be born among barbarians by his own admission.

"Asura" is part of one's Nature, also known as "Vitta". The other "Vitta" is Manav and Deva. Those who demonstrate "Asura" nature is called asura, their Jati does not matter. They could be Danava, manava, Daitya or Naga.

"Varna" on the other hand, remove the restrictions of "Jati" and groups people into their skill and choice of skill/profession.

Daughter of Maya, Mandodari herself tried to reason with Ravan and asked him to return Sita. She even begged her son not to fight with Sri. Rama. By all accounts Mandodari, Daughter of Mayasura was a great lady. Same being true for Mayasura.

Even Rishi Maricha who was the son of Daitya Simhika and a Danava Viprachitti advised Ravan to not attack Sri. Rama.

Not all Daitya and Danava who stood with their King Ravana respected his decision to act in a way that was wrong and caused destruction to their civilization. His own brother Kumbhakaran blamed Ravana and his other brother Vibishana left Ravana and joined Sri. Rama.

So you see, even for the Danava and Daitya's Ravana was not a hero.
 

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Why i claim lord of pranavam as murugan was, all his chanting slogans starts with OM, the temple where the meaning of OM was explained by lord murugan was at swami malai where his temple believed to be in existence before 200bc. The palani temple foot note claims it was replenished by a chera king between 200ce-400ce which was covered by thick forest before, but no one knows when it was built. Except thiruchendur you won't find any hostorical evidence that when all his other 5 temples were built and by whom. Tamils oldest literature tolkappiyam claims murugan as the lord of kurunji(hills) true to that all his houses are located only in hills except thiruchendur. Murugan imprisoned brahma and kept at swami malai bcoz he told all the vedas, but failed to explain OM.
I had earlier left out a reply to this part due to lack to time, but also because this reply will take us to a new tanget.

As per Tamil scriptures, the Land was divided into 5 separate classification. Each classification had a particular set of characteristics associated with it. Mood, climate, flower, time, animal, plant, water, soil etc and God.

These classifications were,
1. Kurinchi / kurinji - meaning Hills and Hilly terrain.
2. Mullai - meaning Forest and Pastures around it
3. Marudam - meaning Agricultural fields, plains and Valley
4. Neydhal - meaning Sea shore
5. Paalai - meaning desert and Arid land.

The god associated with the Kurinji was Murugan. He was the god of the hill tribes. His wife was Valli was from a place called "Thiruthani" or Hilly region and she was the daughter of the King of this Mountain region called Nambi Rajan. This is why you find temples of Kartikeyan on Top of Hills.

Mullai belonged to Mayon (dark one) which is the tamil word for Krishna (dark) and refers to Vishnu (Thirumal/Perumal). This was because he was the god of "Vrindavan" which meant Tulasi Forest as well as god of pasture as he was a cowherd.

Marudam belonged to Vendan which meant King (of the gods) or Indra because Indra was the god of Rain which was essential for agriculture.

Neydhal belonged to Kadalon which was another name for Varuna, god of sea.

Paalai belonged to Kottravai which was the name for Devi / Durga.


But apart from this the god Shasta was worshipped in Kerala, Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. Sastha means "teacher" in Sanskrit and in Tamil he was known as Aiyanar Cattan or Ayanappa cattan. Today he's worshipped as Ayyappan and his temple in kerala is quite famous.

Since Shasta was later associated with Murugan, that is why Murugan is considered a great teacher.
 
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The name India comes from the Greek word Ind which came from the Persian word Hind which came from the name Sindh. Where is Sindh today? Pakistan. The real ancient India = Pakistan. You might think if ancient India was present day Pakistan than what was India of today called? India of today was called Bharat (the name that is still on their passports today) Bharatis lived around the Gangas river not the Indus river. The people of Indus and Gangas have hated each other for a long time. The people of Indus worshiped Nature and Graves/Ancestors and buried their dead, the people of Gangas worshiped idols and cremated their dead. Hinduism as a religion is a recent phenomena created by the British by unifying many Pagan sub-continental religions. Its funny how the people of Indian Punjab (who were historically associated with the Indus) dont follow the Hindu religion but the Sikh religion. Indians claiming it as their own civilization just proves their inferiority complex towards Pakistanis, if you claim its yours and modern day India was also part of the Indus valley civilization then why don't you excavate ancient cities in your own province or country? why do you ask Pakistan to allow you to excavate sites inside Pakistan? the truth is we are 2 separate nations and have been for thousands of years, the British have confused everyone in the world by naming Bharat as India and have caused a identity crisis among modern Indians. The reason i use the word modern is because historically they were not Indians.
 

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The name India comes from the Greek word Ind which came from the Persian word Hind which came from the name Sindh. Where is Sindh today? Pakistan. The real ancient India = Pakistan. You might think if ancient India was present day Pakistan than what was India of today called? India of today was called Bharat (the name that is still on their passports today) Bharatis lived around the Gangas river not the Indus river. The people of Indus and Gangas have hated each other for a long time. The people of Indus worshiped Nature and Graves/Ancestors and buried their dead, the people of Gangas worshiped idols and cremated their dead. Hinduism as a religion is a recent phenomena created by the British by unifying many Pagan sub-continental religions. Its funny how the people of Indian Punjab (who were historically associated with the Indus) dont follow the Hindu religion but the Sikh religion. Indians claiming it as their own civilization just proves their inferiority complex towards Pakistanis, if you claim its yours and modern day India was also part of the Indus valley civilization then why don't you excavate ancient cities in your own province or country? why do you ask Pakistan to allow you to excavate sites inside Pakistan? the truth is we are 2 separate nations and have been for thousands of years, the British have confused everyone in the world by naming Bharat as India and have caused a identity crisis among modern Indians. The reason i use the word modern is because historically they were not Indians.
You are terribly misinformed and utterly confused, i can only wish that you strive to enlighten yourself by reading authentic pieces of work or interact with credible persons instead of dwelling in your la la land. Godspeed!
 

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