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Anjaneya is the major character of Ramayana .Again Ramayana and its story is almost connected with North Indians .
Then why should you worship a sanskrit God in your land ?
Noone invaded us and those who tried for it was eventually absorbed by us .Why those 63 couldnt stay inside TN ?Instead all of them visited various place of India why ?
Well .Do you want to see Pakistanis comments about Tamils ?:D

May be .But then again a lots of adivasis in other parts of India also have african gene in their blood .But who the F cares? :D


My native language is good enough for us and rest of our 3.3 crore people.
And we are not that type of stupid for constructing (dravidian) temples for actors and actresses :sarcastic:
LOL, first you understand the basic difference between native culture and the one that came later. Tamils even had mosques from 6th century that's much earlier than the mughal's arrival, that means islam is also native to tamil nadu? And 63 nayanmaars written shaiva books like thevaram, thiruvaasagam,etc in tamil language only, they might have spread our religion like the islamists and christian missionaries in the other states.

Your native language? :lol: on the other day you were claiming on a different thread that 80%malayalam has sanskrit words. Oops, again it's a mallu who will do anything for their survival. Yup, during the British period the malayam was derived from english, isn't?

Some random Pakistani's comment on tamils will change their dravidian brahui language and it's existence? Is this called elite trolling or elite stupidity?
 
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LOL, first you understand the basic difference between native culture and the one that came later. Tamils even had mosques from 6th century that's much earlier than the mughal's arrival, that means islam is also native to tamil nadu? And 63 nayanmaars written shaiva books like thevaram, thiruvaasagam,etc in tamil language only, they might have spread our religion like the islamists and christian missionaries in the other states.

Your native language? :lol: on the other day you were claiming on a different thread that 80%malayalam has sanskrit words. Oops, again it's a mallu who will do anything for their survival. Yup, during the British period the malayam was derived from english, isn't?

Some random Pakistani's comment on tamils will change their dravidian brahui language and it's existence? Is this called elite trolling or elite stupidity?
Do you know what Nayanmaars mean ? the correct word is "Nayanars".

It is a Sanskrit word, "Naya-nars" .

"Naya" is Sanskrit for "truth", "Justice"
"Nar" is sanskrit for "men".

Nayanars means "men of truth" or "men of god". Its not the tamil "naya" or "dogs".

Do you know who is the 1st Nayanar ? Its Sundarar. Its a sanskrit name that means "Beautiful one".

Do you now who the 2nd Nayanar is ? Its Tiru Neelakanta That too is a Sanskrit name.

"Tiru" or "Thiru" in sanskrit mean "high" or "risen". Neela is sanskrit for Blue. Kanta is sanskrit for neck / throat.

"Tire Neelakanta" is a sanskrit name that means "High Blue necked one" or "Shiva".

Do you know what "Thevaram" mean ? Its a sanskrit word that means "The-varam" or "Those boons" or "these boons".

Do you know what "thiruvaasagam" means ? Its again a Sankrit word,

"Thiru-vaa-sagam". Thiru meaning "raised / high", "vaa" from the sanskrit "vadi" or learning / speech and "sagam" in sanskrit means "legitimate or just (justice) or sacred".

Thiruvaasagam is a sanskrit word that means "High legitimate words" or "holy just chants" or "sacred chants".


It is foolish to try and eliminate the sanskrit origins and influence in tamil. As you can see, it goes back right to the origin of tamil works and the people who wrote them.
 
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Your false pride of shielding indian culture from islam/middle easterners were a myth, already they invaded you with their indra, varuna,etc who are ruling your culture/literature for 1000s of years.

Who denied bhakti movement wasn't in native language? All the 63 nayanmaars are only from Tamil nadu, not a surprise they used tamil. Our literature claims lord shiva and muruga were present in the first tamil sangam while introducing the first tamil grammar agathiyam, we never claimed lord siva isn't ours. Siva is part of our culture for a long time like jallikattu from IVC times.
Again this is a funny claim.

The Nayanar Sundarar sang the Thiruppattu when he was going on a pilgrimage to Mr. kailash in North India. The entire work is devoted to a north Indian god "shiva" who sits in North India.

The Nayanars have identified the following paces as holy places in Tevaram, for Tamils to visit.

1. Indraneela parvatam (Nepal)
2. Anekatanga Vadam (near Kedarnath)
3. Tirukkedaram (Kedarnath)
4. Tiru Kkayilaayam (Mt. Kailash)

Mt. Kailash is also called Nodiththaan Malai by the Nayanars in their poems.
 

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Do you know what Nayanmaars mean ? the correct word is "Nayanars".

It is a Sanskrit word, "Naya-nars" .

"Naya" is Sanskrit for "truth", "Justice"
"Nar" is sanskrit for "men".

Nayanars means "men of truth" or "men of god". Its not the tamil "naya" or "dogs".

Do you know who is the 1st Nayanar ? Its Sundarar. Its a sanskrit name that means "Beautiful one".

Do you now who the 2nd Nayanar is ? Its Tiru Neelakanta That too is a Sanskrit name.

"Tiru" or "Thiru" in sanskrit mean "high" or "risen". Neela is sanskrit for Blue. Kanta is sanskrit for neck / throat.

"Tire Neelakanta" is a sanskrit name that means "High Blue necked one" or "Shiva".

Do you know what "Thevaram" mean ? Its a sanskrit word that means "The-varam" or "Those boons" or "these boons".

Do you know what "thiruvaasagam" means ? Its again a Sankrit word,

"Thiru-vaa-sagam". Thiru meaning "raised / high", "vaa" from the sanskrit "vadi" or learning / speech and "sagam" in sanskrit means "legitimate or just (justice) or sacred".

Thiruvaasagam is a sanskrit word that means "High legitimate words" or "holy just chants" or "sacred chants".


It is foolish to try and eliminate the sanskrit origins and influence in tamil. As you can see, it goes back right to the origin of tamil works and the people who wrote them.
First, who told you "naya" means dog? It's "Naai", we pronounce with double "a" after "n". We do have a word "naya paisa" that doesn't mean "dog money". Learn the basics on tamil before showing your so called expertise on tamil.

Second, Where you got "thiru" is a sanskrit word? Thiru is the honorific title used in tamil for a long time, "thiru magal"(lakshmi), thiru maal(vishnu) thiru M.K karunanidhi, thiru mathi J.Jayalalitha. In hindi/sanskrit it's sri krishna, sri ram, sri narendra modi. Vaasagam means it's not "vadi or thadi" vaasagam means poem in tamil.

Don't make us laugh, move on.
 

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First, who told you "naya" means dog? It's "Naai", we pronounce with double "a" after "n". We do have a word "naya paisa" that doesn't mean "dog money". Learn the basics on tamil before showing your so called expertise on tamil.

Second, Where you got "thiru" is a sanskrit word? Thiru is the honorific title used in tamil for a long time, "thiru magal"(lakshmi), thiru maal(vishnu) thiru M.K karunanidhi, thiru mathi J.Jayalalitha. In hindi/sanskrit it's sri krishna, sri ram, sri narendra modi. Vaasagam means it's not "vadi or thadi" vaasagam means poem in tamil.

Don't make us laugh, move on.
I understand tamil so there is no need for anybody to explain anything to me in tamil. The limitations in the english language makes me spell the world that way, but you understand the essence of what I am saying.

"naya paisa" comes from the hindi world "naya" meaning "New". not the sanskrit word.

Thiru IS a old honorific word. Only it comes from Sanskrit. Not Tamil.

All gods are called Thiru i.e "high" (as in high and mighty)

That is why Kerala capital city is called Thiru-anantha puram.

The city where the Lord vishnu lies high on the Anantha snake.

The famous Tirupati temple is called that because it means "lord of the high" or "Master who sits high".

The entire southern usage of the world Thiru comes from Sanskrit.

The root word for Thiru is "Dhruva" which means Pole star in Sanskrit.


BTW "Thiru" also means "Shri" in sanskrit.

You might also wonder why Indian state "Tripura" is named that way.

Its "Thiru-pura", "high city" or "place of stay that is high up". Unless of course you think "Tripura" is "Tamil".
 

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You might want to pipe down with the whole " South Indian Pride" thing. Stop trying to desperatly seperate North India from South India. I have seen you repeatadly try to seperate North India and South India some way or the other on this forum ,to the extant of debating the very seperation of South India. I am from Kerala , if you are wondering...
Get a life moron.Dont reply to my post if you cant read my entire posts .
I was talking against the very idea you vomitted in here.

LOL, first you understand the basic difference between native culture and the one that came later. Tamils even had mosques from 6th century that's much earlier than the mughal's arrival, that means islam is also native to tamil nadu? And 63 nayanmaars written shaiva books like thevaram, thiruvaasagam,etc in tamil language only, they might have spread our religion like the islamists and christian missionaries in the other states.

Your native language? :lol: on the other day you were claiming on a different thread that 80%malayalam has sanskrit words. Oops, again it's a mallu who will do anything for their survival. Yup, during the British period the malayam was derived from english, isn't?

Some random Pakistani's comment on tamils will change their dravidian brahui language and it's existence? Is this called elite trolling or elite stupidity?
Oh well .There you goes .
Islam and Christianity spread all around the world but 63 nayanmaars couldnt pass subcontinent why ?

Where did I claimed that ?It seems cataract is blinding your eyes .
At least we wont shit in sidewalk :D

Not random .You should read entire Pak comments including one TTA ,when ever they bring a stupid theory about genetics they will begin to insult Tamils .I have seen a lot in herer
 

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I understand tamil so there is no need for anybody to explain anything to me in tamil. The limitations in the english language makes me spell the world that way, but you understand the essence of what I am saying.

"naya paisa" comes from the hindi world "naya" meaning "New". not the sanskrit word.

Thiru IS a old honorific word. Only it comes from Sanskrit. Not Tamil.

All gods are called Thiru i.e "high" (as in high and mighty)

That is why Kerala capital city is called Thiru-anantha puram.

The city where the Lord vishnu lies high on the Anantha snake.

The famous Tirupati temple is called that because it means "lord of the high" or "Master who sits high".

The entire southern usage of the world Thiru comes from Sanskrit.

The root word for Thiru is "Dhruva" which means Pole star in Sanskrit.


BTW "Thiru" also means "Shri" in sanskrit.

You might also wonder why Indian state "Tripura" is named that way.

Its "Thiru-pura", "high city" or "place of stay that is high up". Unless of course you think "Tripura" is "Tamil".
Yeah, Trinidad and tobago, triple h, etc all came from thiru of sanskrit like tripura. The other two cities which you mentioned are dominated by proto dravidians, so not suprised by the names.

"Thiru maal" used in the oldest tamil literature tolkappiyam, which dates back to 300bc, instead of making your claim from thin air furnish the details where the word "thiru" was used before 300bc in sanskrit literature. In sanskrit if you are using"thiru" then you are using the Tamil word.

Even some International linguistic experts claim tamil is much older than IVC, sumerian and dates tamil back to the sub-saharan african civilizations. For anyone who knows tamil, its not rocket science, just search in YouTube "cameroon tamil" you will find lot of videos, mofu tribes of cameroon uses lot of tamil words which are still in use with us even today.

It's not a pure linguistic coincidence, even genetics talks for it. Below is the link from university of illionis, which published the haplography of Y-Chromosome for all the ethnic groups in the world.
http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~mcdonald/WorldHaplogroupsMaps.pdf

Sub saharan Cameroon people have RR1 haplogroup, which is significantly found only with two groups, it's dravidians and australian aboriginals. Other subsaharan haplogroup "J" is found significantly with middle eastern arabs, turks,uzbeks and dravidians. This two significant haplogroup y-chromosome are found only in dravidians not in indo-europeans. Why this two haplogroup of y-chromosome more important than the others? These are the two which never evolved/changed over time in dravidian gene pool.

Even japanese,korean linguistic experts are searching their language similarities with tamil, but it's only you guys crying tamil was derived from sanskrit. of course some sanskrit words mixed with tamil over time, we don't need to search in history to replace them with a tamil word, tamil in srilanka is still in its purest form, already many people, tv channels, books replaced those words with pure tamil words, like "maithanam" replaced with "aadukalam" and so on. Just check in UNESCO world register who registered the oldest tamil literature "tolkappiyam" all the linguistic experts are foreigners, your false pride of sanskrito-phobia is not ready to invest in research on tamil and make you cry sanskrit as superior.
 
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Yeah, Trinidad and tobago, triple h, etc all came from thiru of sanskrit like tripura. The other two cities which you mentioned are dominated by proto dravidians, so not suprised by the names.
"Trinidad" comes from the Spanish name "trinity" which was given to the island when it was under spanish control till 1797.

Do you know how the wife of your "tamil god Shiva" is addressed ? Its "Lalitha Tripura Sundari".

It is again a Sanskrit name where "Lalitha" means "playful or one who plays", "Tripura" because Parvati is the daughter of Himavat, king of the Himalayas. "Tripura" here literally means "Highlander". "Sundari" sanskrit for Beautiful.

Is that "Tamil" too ? Its not, its sanskrit.


"Thiru maal" used in the oldest tamil literature tolkappiyam, which dates back to 300bc, instead of making your claim from thin air furnish the details where the word "thiru" was used before 300bc in sanskrit literature. In sanskrit if you are using"thiru" then you are using the Tamil word.
See that is the problem. There is NO ARCHAEOLOGICAL evidence for your claim that tamil is 300 BC old.

Its pure speculation and wishful thinking.

By that same standard, Saskrit is 10,000 years old. It is literally the mother of half the worlds language.

The oldest "Evidence" you have about tamil language age is from Anaimalai inscription which is ironically in the North India "Brahmi" script. Worse it gives the date as Kali year 3871 (Karttika, Sunday) equivalent to 770 A.D.

It gets worse, the Kali year is a "North Indian" concept in existence right from the Vedas.

Now "tolkappiyam" itself was written by students of Rishi Agastiyar who is a Vedic Rishi. Rishi Agastya is the son of "north Indian" Rishi Pulastya.

Rishi Agastya is also the brother of Rishi Visrava's who is the father of the infamous Ravan (Ramayana)

Rishi Agastya also wrote the north Indian scripture "Agastya Samhita" which exist even today.

Finally in Rg. Veda the world for "grow higher" or "climb higher" is "aTiruh". It does not get any older than that.

Even some International linguistic experts claim tamil is much older than IVC, sumerian and dates tamil back to the nubian times of sub-saharan africa. For anyone who knows tamil, its not rocket science, just search in YouTube "cameroon tamil" you will find lot of videos, mofu tribes of cameroon uses lot of tamil words which are still in use with us even today.
I am sure there are even more Fantastic Claims. The migration from Africa happend 70,000 years ago.

So are you now claiming Tamil is 70,000 year old ? Take a reality check and learn to apply "reason".

It's not a pure linguistic coincidence, even genetics talks for it. Below is the link from university of illionis, which published the haplography of Y-Chromosome for all the ethnic groups in the world.

Sub saharan Cameroon people have RR1 haplography, which is significantly found only with two groups, it's dravidians and australian aboriginals. Other subsaharan haplography "J" is found significantly with middle eastern arabs, turks,uzbeks and dravidians. This two significant haplographic y-chromosome are found only in dravidians not in indo-europeans. Why this two haplographic y-chromosome more important than the others? These are the two which never evolved/changed over time in dravidian gene pool.
Genetics changes that are 70,000 years old have little role to play in origin of languages which are 2000 years old.

No one with even an iota of common sense will make such absurd links.

Even japanese,korean linguistic experts are searching their language similarities with tamil, but it's only you guys crying tamil was derived from sanskrit. of course some sanskrit words mixed with tamil over time, we don't need to search in history to replace them with a tamil word, tamil in srilanka is still in its purest form already many people, tv channels, books replaced those words with pure tamil words, like "maithanam" replaced with "aadukalam" and so on.
I have no problems with even aliens trying to find similarity with tamil. Much less Japanese and korean.

I only have problem when Anglo inspired "Dravidian" politicos attempt to promote "Fiction" over "Facts". As you can see, such attempt will come to an embarrassing end when you actually meet someone who knows his $hit.

These bravado's and false claims are only useful when dealing with the Ignorant Masses.

No amount of trying to rewrite History to suite the Anglo Dravidian agenda will help. Ultimately "Satyameva Jayateh" or "truth will always triumph".

....and yes, that is Sanskrit too.
 

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"Trinidad" comes from the Spanish name "trinity" which was given to the island when it was under spanish control till 1797.

Do you know how the wife of your "tamil god Shiva" is addressed ? Its "Lalitha Tripura Sundari".

It is again a Sanskrit name where "Lalitha" means "playful or one who plays", "Tripura" because Parvati is the daughter of Himavat, king of the Himalayas. "Tripura" here literally means "Highlander". "Sundari" sanskrit for Beautiful.

Is that "Tamil" too ? Its not, its sanskrit.




See that is the problem. There is NO ARCHAEOLOGICAL evidence for your claim that tamil is 300 BC old.

Its pure speculation and wishful thinking.

By that same standard, Saskrit is 10,000 years old. It is literally the mother of half the worlds language.

The oldest "Evidence" you have about tamil language age is from Anaimalai inscription which is ironically in the North India "Brahmi" script. Worse it gives the date as Kali year 3871 (Karttika, Sunday) equivalent to 770 A.D.

It gets worse, the Kali year is a "North Indian" concept in existence right from the Vedas.

Now "tolkappiyam" itself was written by students of Rishi Agastiyar who is a Vedic Rishi. Rishi Agastya is the son of "north Indian" Rishi Pulastya.

Rishi Agastya is also the brother of Rishi Visrava's who is the father of the infamous Ravan (Ramayana)

Rishi Agastya also wrote the north Indian scripture "Agastya Samhita" which exist even today.

Finally in Rg. Veda the world for "grow higher" or "climb higher" is "aTiruh". It does not get any older than that.



I am sure there are even more Fantastic Claims. The migration from Africa happend 70,000 years ago.

So are you now claiming Tamil is 70,000 year old ? Take a reality check and learn to apply "reason".



Genetics changes that are 70,000 years old have little role to play in origin of languages which are 2000 years old.

No one with even an iota of common sense will make such absurd links.



I have no problems with even aliens trying to find similarity with tamil. Much less Japanese and korean.

I only have problem when Anglo inspired "Dravidian" politicos attempt to promote "Fiction" over "Facts". As you can see, such attempt will come to an embarrassing end when you actually meet someone who knows his $hit.

These bravado's and false claims are only useful when dealing with the Ignorant Masses.

No amount of trying to rewrite History to suite the Anglo Dravidian agenda will help. Ultimately "Satyameva Jayateh" or "truth will always triumph".

....and yes, that is Sanskrit too.
"Trinidad" comes from the Spanish name "trinity" which was given to the island when it was under spanish control till 1797.

Do you know how the wife of your "tamil god Shiva" is addressed ? Its "Lalitha Tripura Sundari".

It is again a Sanskrit name where "Lalitha" means "playful or one who plays", "Tripura" because Parvati is the daughter of Himavat, king of the Himalayas. "Tripura" here literally means "Highlander". "Sundari" sanskrit for Beautiful.

Is that "Tamil" too ? Its not, its sanskrit.




See that is the problem. There is NO ARCHAEOLOGICAL evidence for your claim that tamil is 300 BC old.

Its pure speculation and wishful thinking.

By that same standard, Saskrit is 10,000 years old. It is literally the mother of half the worlds language.

The oldest "Evidence" you have about tamil language age is from Anaimalai inscription which is ironically in the North India "Brahmi" script. Worse it gives the date as Kali year 3871 (Karttika, Sunday) equivalent to 770 A.D.

It gets worse, the Kali year is a "North Indian" concept in existence right from the Vedas.

Now "tolkappiyam" itself was written by students of Rishi Agastiyar who is a Vedic Rishi. Rishi Agastya is the son of "north Indian" Rishi Pulastya.

Rishi Agastya is also the brother of Rishi Visrava's who is the father of the infamous Ravan (Ramayana)

Rishi Agastya also wrote the north Indian scripture "Agastya Samhita" which exist even today.

Finally in Rg. Veda the world for "grow higher" or "climb higher" is "aTiruh". It does not get any older than that.



I am sure there are even more Fantastic Claims. The migration from Africa happend 70,000 years ago.

So are you now claiming Tamil is 70,000 year old ? Take a reality check and learn to apply "reason".



Genetics changes that are 70,000 years old have little role to play in origin of languages which are 2000 years old.

No one with even an iota of common sense will make such absurd links.



I have no problems with even aliens trying to find similarity with tamil. Much less Japanese and korean.

I only have problem when Anglo inspired "Dravidian" politicos attempt to promote "Fiction" over "Facts". As you can see, such attempt will come to an embarrassing end when you actually meet someone who knows his $hit.

These bravado's and false claims are only useful when dealing with the Ignorant Masses.

No amount of trying to rewrite History to suite the Anglo Dravidian agenda will help. Ultimately "Satyameva Jayateh" or "truth will always triumph".

....and yes, that is Sanskrit too.
Good logic, everything in tamil is a speculation but everything in sanskrit is substantial.

The mofu tribes of cameroon uses lot of tamil word still is a living example, but no amount of evidence is substantial for sanskritophobia, you can live in denial. That's not my problem.
 

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Good logic, everything in tamil is a speculation but everything in sanskrit is substantial.

The mofu tribes of cameroon uses lot of tamil word still is a living example, but no amount of evidence is substantial for sanskritophobia, you can live in denial. That's not my problem.
It is for you to prove and provide evidence to support your claim.

Do you know where the name for the Russian drink "Vodka" comes from ?

It comes from the sanskrit word for water "Udaka". In fact in sanskrit, "Voda" means wet. That is how linguistic links are established.

Can you provide me details of a single scholar from camaroon who has claimed links with Tamil ?

BTW "Sanskritophobia" means "fear of sanskrit". That is what YOU demonstrate.

I think the word you are looking for is Sanskrito-Phile.

Pretty much everything you have said has been proved wrong. Yet you refuse to learn. THAT is "denial".
 

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It is for you to prove and provide evidence to support your claim.

Do you know where the name for the Russian drink "Vodka" comes from ?

It comes from the sanskrit word for water "Udaka". In fact in sanskrit, "Voda" means wet. That is how linguistic links are established.

Can you provide me details of a single scholar from camaroon who has claimed links with Tamil ?

BTW "Sanskritophobia" means "fear of sanskrit". That is what YOU demonstrate.

I think the word you are looking for is Sanskrito-Phile.

Pretty much everything you have said has been proved wrong. Yet you refuse to learn. THAT is "denial".
Sanskritophobia is the fear for sanskrit, that it doesn't want to loose against tamil.

Right now i am in mobile, i can not post the videos. If you are so curious just check on youtube, i will post when i hit my laptop.

I say tamil has links with subsaharan african civilizations and even provided genetical haplographs realeased by a renowned university, cameroon tribals use lot of tamil words is my claim and that language may have a different name in their region but the pronunciation and meaning is same, learn the difference what i say and what you mean. What you proved wrong? Other than your rehetoric that everything in tamil is a speculation and sanskrit is substantial.

If that's called proof, keep it yourself and live with it. I am not buying. Bye.
 

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Sanskritophobia is the fear for sanskrit, that it doesn't want to loose against tamil.

Right now i am in mobile, i can not post the videos. If you are so curious just check on youtube, i will post when i hit my laptop.

I say tamil has links with subsaharan african civilizations and even provided genetical haplographs realeased by a renowned university, cameroon tribals use lot of tamil words is my claim and that language may have a different name in their region but the pronunciation and meaning is same, learn the difference what i say and what you mean. What you proved wrong? Other than your rehetoric that everything in tamil is a speculation and sanskrit is substantial.

If that's called proof, keep it yourself and live with it. I am not buying. Bye.
"Sanskritophobia" is not fear for sanskrit, its Fear OF sanskrit.

I am a south Indian, I really don't care which language wins or loses as long as the TRUTH WINS.

I have seen the videos you talk about. I do not dispute the genetic links, only it has no relevance to the language due to the HUGE HUGE time gap.

The OLDEST Tamil literature is the Sangam literature.

"Sangam" is a sanskrit word that means "group / clan / order".

The oldest book you can claim is the "Tolkappiyam" which was written by Rishi Tholkappiyar who himself claimed he was the student of Rishi Agastya. The work itself is called Agathiam after Rishi Agastya.

Rishi Agastya is the most mentioned Rishi in the "Ramayana", which you claim is a "North Indian" book. In fact Rishi Agastya is considered one of the greatest Rishis of India even in "north India".

The Tamil Calendar is based on the "north Indian" surya siddhanta. It also measures days in Kali Yuga, which is the most ancient form of calender in India.

If you had a deeper understanding of Hinduism or Indian culture, you would have been more open to accepting the reality. But you have a political agenda that is keeping you from seeing the truth even when they are right in front of you.

None so blind as those who choose not to see.
 

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"Sanskritophobia" is not fear for sanskrit, its Fear OF sanskrit.

I am a south Indian, I really don't care which language wins or loses as long as the TRUTH WINS.

I have seen the videos you talk about. I do not dispute the genetic links, only it has no relevance to the language due to the HUGE HUGE time gap.

The OLDEST Tamil literature is the Sangam literature.

"Sangam" is a sanskrit word that means "group / clan / order".

The oldest book you can claim is the "Tolkappiyam" which was written by Rishi Tholkappiyar who himself claimed he was the student of Rishi Agastya. The work itself is called Agathiam after Rishi Agastya.

Rishi Agastya is the most mentioned Rishi in the "Ramayana", which you claim is a "North Indian" book. In fact Rishi Agastya is considered one of the greatest Rishis of India even in "north India".

The Tamil Calendar is based on the "north Indian" surya siddhanta. It also measures days in Kali Yuga, which is the most ancient form of calender in India.

If you had a deeper understanding of Hinduism or Indian culture, you would have been more open to accepting the reality. But you have a political agenda that is keeping you from seeing the truth even when they are right in front of you.

None so blind as those who choose not to see.
LOL, you found relation between "dhruva" and "thiru" which are totally different. But you aren't finding any relationship between the following words,

Cameroon Tribal language vs tamil

Ingirkku(it's here) - ingu irukku
Piddi(catch it) - pidi
Idhu ennang (what's this) - idhu enna/ennanga

Let some people who really know tamil can see the video and decide, which one has more similarities. I leave it to those who know tamil to decide, what they want to take. Genetical linkage just add more evidence to that. Let them decide who is blind here.

Agathiyam(tamil grammar) didn't got the name after agasthiya, it was written/compiled by agathiya. if you claim him in your ramayana doesn't make him a sanskrit/vedic rishi. Agathiyar is one of the tamil chithar.

Even you may claim "tamil" is a sanskrit word. It's a widely accepted fact internationally, tamil and sanskrit belongs to two different language groups. Good, you didn't claim we are playing north indian sport jallikattu.

I am done on this thread.
 
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So your entire "relationship" with cameroon is built on Four words ? "Ingu, pidi, idhu and enna "

Camaroon has 230 Languages. This in a nation that is only slightly larger than Tamil Nadu and a population of 22 million.

Out of these 55 are Afro-Asiatic languages. These range from Egyptian to semitic to berber.

Among them a chromosome marker scientifically labelled "M130", was a gene found only among the descendants of the African migrants who had spread across the world tens of thousands of years ago.

This was found in the Piramalai Kallar community in Tamil Nadu. That's it.

Are you now going to claim that the Kallar community invented Tamil ?

Its is easy to mix Wishful thinking, fantasy and vague links to spin a fantastic tale of discover and "heritage". However if you dig even a little bit deeper, the whole feeble structure will collapse like a house of cards.

BTW there is nobody named Agathiya, its the corrupted form of Agastya.

One is confused when one has to look towards Anglo Christian sources to reaffirm your own culture, language or religion. The day you stop doing that, is the day you will discover your own roots.
You only read my last post and boasting here, or you have gone through the genetical haplography which i have posted in my previous posts?

One doesn't need a anglo christian source to confirm who his having closer with us, it's the north indians or the Australian Aboriginals, just common sense will define who is having close looks with us.

What the japenese, koreans claim aren't christian sources, who will give the correct roots about tamil? North indians? :lol:
 

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