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Why Have Singaporeans Turned Against Indian Professionals?
With job losses mounting due to the COVID-19 pandemic, some Singaporeans are blaming Indian nationals.
By Asif Ullah Khan
October 08, 2020

As the COVID-19 pandemic has plunged Singapore, Asia’s shining star, into an economic recession, historically-minded denizens of the city-state might have occasion to recall the 1982 New Year speech made by its founder Lee Kuan Yew.

In the speech, Lee, who ruled Singapore with a velvet fist from 1959 until 1990, promised that the country would have a wholly Singaporean workforce by 1991. Lee said that countries like France, the United Kingdom and West Germany were facing political, social and economic problems due to their large migrant work forces. Arguing that this was not desirable for Singapore, Lee promised that work permits for the country’s migrant workforce in the non-traditional sector would not be renewed and that by December 31, 1984, all such workers would leave.

But Lee never fulfilled this promise and Singapore has seen a steady growth in its population of foreign workers. In 1986, as economic growth picked up after a period of recession in the early 1980s, restrictions on foreign workers were relaxed. Since then, the country’s foreign workforce, which sat at just 10 percent of the work force in the early 1980s, has grown to 36 percent, or around 1.5 million people.

Now, with businesses closing down and job losses mounting due to the COVID-19 pandemic, many of the city-state’s residents are turning their ire towards foreign workers, particularly those from India. In particular, Singaporean social media has discovered a new villain: the India-Singapore Comprehensive Economic Cooperation Agreement (CECA), a free trade agreement signed between the two nations in 2005.

In August, for the second time in nine months, Singapore’s Ministry of Trade and Industry (MTI) was forced to issue a statement correcting the widespread public misconception that the agreement has led to a large influx of Indian professionals in fields like finance and information technology.

The MTI clarified that there is no provision under the CECA for Indian nationals to become permanent residents and citizens of Singapore. It also moved to quash rumors that CECA requires Singaporean authorities to automatically grant employment passes to professionals, managers and executives from India who wish to work in Singapore.

Despite these clarifications, Singaporean social media continues to buzz with anger against newly-arrived Indian nationals, whom significant numbers of people are blaming for recent, pandemic-induced job losses.

Such narratives are particularly common on Facebook, often bolstered and accompanied by the distribution of fake pictures and videos. In August, a picture of a DBS Bank branch in Hyderabad went viral on Twitter after a user claimed that it was a photo of DBS Bank’s IT department at Singapore’s Changi airport. The user asked viewers to “find a Singaporean or Chinese” in the photo. The post created such a big splash online that DBS Bank was forced to issue a clarifying tweet stating that “pictures being circulated on social media are from our India office, not Singapore.”

Similarly, on the public Facebook group SG Opposition, which has 52,000 followers, the user Michael da Silva in July shared a picture of ethnic Indians sitting at Changi Beach Park with a caption referring to it as “Chennai Park.” Da Silva even accused the government of grating Indian professionals Singaporean citizenship in order to harvest their votes for the ruling People’s Action Party. Similar sentiments have been voiced by other posters on the group.

Reacting to a news article about CECA on Facebook, one Singaporean woman commented: “Our jobs are taken by Ceca! Wait till the ministers’ jobs are also taken by them, then they will know!”

While it is hard to know how far such sentiment reflects real world attitudes, for some observers, the reaction vindicates Lee’s warning in his 1982 speech that a large foreign workforce could foster social tensions.

Writing on his blog “For a Better Singapore,” Yee Jenn Jong, a non-constituency Member of Parliament, blamed Singapore’s obsession with economic growth. He argued that the massive explosion of COVID-19 cases has cast a spotlight on the city-state’s reliance on cheap immigrant labor. “The presence of so many low wage foreign workers has depressed the wages of less-skilled Singaporean workers, which has in turned caused a great divide between those who have benefited from our economic progress and those whose real wages have stagnated or even regressed in the past two decades,” he wrote.

Yee quoted the late Dr. Goh Keng Swee, the architect of Singapore’s economic transformation, who had warned of the dangers of increasing GDP through a large influx of foreign workers and foreign direct investments. Goh was of the view that getting unlimited access to cheap labor would impede the critical need for upgrading and innovation among Singaporeans, Yee said.

Kirsten Han, an activist and co-founder of the long-form journalism outlet New Naratif, added that there was also a racist element to the “too many Indians in Singapore” trope. “This is about #xenophobia and #racism, where CECA (a Singapore-#India trade agreement) is used as shorthand for racism against Indians,” Han tweeted in late 2019, before the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic. She added: “There is also a widespread assumption that there are more Indians coming to #Singapore under CECA than Singaporeans traveling to live/work in #India, hence propping up the narrative that Singaporeans have been cheated/sold out somehow.”

Xenophobia and racism are not new phenomena in Singapore. Indeed, expatriate workers from mainland China, the Philippines, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Myanmar and India have long been blamed for rising unemployment and the overcrowding on public transport and housing. Last November, a video of an Indian man shouting expletives at a condominium security guard went viral, sparking social media outrage. Online vigilantes went on the rampage and told him to “go home” and not bring his country’s caste system to the Lion City. Many also blamed CECA for giving Indian nationals a free pass to work in Singapore.

Some internet users have even conjured up memories of the Little India riots of 2013, when Indian migrant workers set police and private cars on fire after one of their countrymen was knocked down and killed by a bus. “We have seen how troubles like that of the Little India riots of 2013 could happen when we overcrowd our small city-state with the many people that we currently have, not to mention if we allow it to explode to another 235%!” Yee wrote in his blog.

However, the issue with Indians is different in key ways. Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei all have large communities of south Indian heritage. Being from south India, their complexion is dark and they have become identified with what are called Mamak stalls, small food outlets that serve a type of Indian cuisine unique to the southern part of the subcontinent. Because of this, keling, a racist slur, has long been used to refer to them.

But the recent discomfiture against Indians concerns not these long-established communities, but rather the arrival of educated professionals working in high-profile and well-paid sectors like banking, finance and information technology. Being more wealthy due to the higher management positions, they live in upmarket condominiums in East Coast neighborhoods. Indeed, their visibility in banking, finance and IT sectors is one of the sources of Singaporeans’ angst against them.

Laavanya Kathiravelu of Nanyang Technological University said that in times of economic recession, exclusionary sentiments like xenophobia have been known to rise. “People look for easy targets to blame rather than understanding structural issues for change,” he said.

Asif Ullah Khan has worked in senior editorial positions at The Times of India, Khaeej Times, The Hindustan Times and The Brunei Times. At present, he is based in Jaipur, India, and contributes to The Brussels Times, The Diplomat, The ASEAN Post, India Legal, The Wire and other publications.
 

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The biggest mistake the PAP government has ever made was to sign the CECA agreement on the pretext of opening up Singapore's economy. It has led to a huge influx of Indians into Singapore and caused exacerbated public's view on foreign workers in general.

The Indians that come here and work blue collared jobs ( mainly South Indians), are the exception and have contributed to the Singapore society greatly. These people are viewed respectfully including Bangladeshis.The one that are truly disliked are the North Indians who hold a fake sense of superiority. Not only do they display these to their own kind, but to the Singaporeans as well. Thankfully, their caste system culture is not accepted here. Despite their fake superiority, some of these Indians, who claimed to be IT professionals hold fake degrees and experiences. Sometimes, I dont even know how some of our HR allows them to hold a job here. Most likely, these Indian foreigners are only recruited to save costs.

The worse part about them is the Indian behavior themselves. They bring their unwanted culture here and try to make these their home ground instead of adapting. To top it all, these Indians ( especially the north) have some of the nastiest personalities met. They really think their country is a big deal, but guess what? They chose to work in Singapore instead.

Now that the tables have turned with the current economic recession, and the new requirements for hiring, I really hope these Indians go back to their Great India and contribute to their declining economy. I would take any individual from South East Asia ( Malaysia, Indonesia) working here rather than Indians from India as they understand our culture far better.


PS: Many Singaporean Indians of Tamil descendent will mainly agree with me on how this Indians from India are overtaking our jobs with cooked up degrees and experience.
 

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The internet has an over-represented minority; the silent majority, who are accepting of foreigners, simply don't post online, especially on forums like EDMW.


Most Singaporeans remain open to foreigners here: Poll
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/most-singaporeans-remain-open-to-foreigners-here-poll

A poll conducted by a government which itself is not trusted by the people? You need to understand the ground realities that is happening here in Singapore then following a poll conducted in a country whose Freedom Press Index 2020 is ranked 158th. The best way is through social media.

From a true bred Singaporean, our jobs have been taken over by foreigners since the 2000s. Agreements like CECA has negatively affected us no doubt. It is made worse by Indians who have fake their degree and experiences just to edge out.

To be fair, such rulings is laid out to stimulate competition from Singaporeans and prevent complacency. In addition, it increases its global positioning in negotiating deals in return with other countries.


In my opinion, having foreigners is only accepted as long as they do not take up the mid range to high range jobs e.g. construction . In recent times, the job market has been flooded with foreigners and even employed due to the cheap labour involved. Now with the pandemic and pressure from the public and opposition, things have take a huge U-turn with the government striving to provide jobs for the locals first.
 

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A poll conducted by a government which itself is not trusted by the people? You need to understand the ground realities that is happening here in Singapore then following a poll conducted in a country whose Freedom Press Index 2020 is ranked 158th. The best way is through social media.
Lmao. That's like saying "I'm not gonna trust official figures if it contradict my beliefs, I'm just going to believe in my own anecdotes".

From a true bred Singaporean, our jobs have been taken over by foreigners since the 2000s. Agreements like CECA has negatively affected us no doubt. It is made worse by Indians who have fake their degree and experiences just to edge out.

To be fair, such rulings is laid out to stimulate competition from Singaporeans and prevent complacency. In addition, it increases its global positioning in negotiating deals in return with other countries.

In my opinion, having foreigners is only accepted as long as they do not take up the mid range to high range jobs e.g. construction . In recent times, the job market has been flooded with foreigners and even employed due to the cheap labour involved. Now with the pandemic and pressure from the public and opposition, things have take a huge U-turn with the government striving to provide jobs for the locals first.
Indian expatriates make up only a tiny fraction of our workforce.

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EP holders make only a fraction of foreigners, and of those a large majority are probably Malaysians. So the Malaysians are stealing our jobs now?

our jobs have been taken over by foreigners since the 2000s
Back up your claim with statistics. Our unemployment rate is one of the lowest in the world. Even now with Covid, our unemployment rate remains better than many countries in good times:

SINGAPORE: Singapore’s unemployment rate climbed to its highest in a decade and total employment registered its sharpest quarterly decline in the first quarter of this year, as the labour market felt the early effects of COVID-19.

According to the latest labour market report released by the Ministry of Manpower (MOM) on Monday (Jun 15), the overall unemployment rate crept up from 2.3 per cent in the previous quarter to 2.4 per cent.

The unemployment rate among Singapore citizens rose from 3.3 to 3.5 per cent, and among residents - or Singapore citizens and permanent residents - from 3.2 per cent to 3.3 per cent.

The resident long-term unemployment rate, referring to individuals unemployed for at least 25 weeks, remained at 0.9 per cent.
Agreements like CECA has negatively affected us no doubt. It is made worse by Indians who have fake their degree and experiences just to edge out.
So you're gonna renegotiate a whole FTA just because of some bad apples who fake their credentials?

The answer is stricter enforcement of regulations and oversight, not tearing up the whole FTA. Moreover, an FTA doesn't really matter, because a work permit has to be granted by MOM.

Seriously, blaming everything on CECA is such a dumb thing I see on the internet. If you want to vent your frustration, at least vent it on the correct entity which is MOM. MOM makes the decision to give out work permits. That's why you see elected opposition members questioning MOM in parliament rather than on an FTA, unlike the clueless jokers ranting under Facebook comments.
 
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These educated Indian workers are hired by regional HQs of large MNCs. They were invited by Singapore to setup office and bring their high paying jobs there by Singapore/. They're not there to hire singaporeans. They're there to hire the best talent they can find. And no- most singaporeans don't cut it. If Singaporeans have a problem with it, hundreds of other cities are standing line to take them of IMMEDEATELY.

I'm not suprised at this 'controversy', Take a little port city that has grown due to the enromous historic inefficiences of giants like China and India and start getting all kinds of ideas of themselves. They're LUCKY that companies bring these jobs to their their cities. And still they're so full of themselves they assume they alone 'deserve these jobs'.

'If Microsoft of Google should set up their Asia HQ in Singapore then all the managers and engineers there must be singaporeans'

Sure bro. Except I haven't heard of a SINGLE singaporean heading an MNC anywhere in the world. And many Indians on the other hand head google, Microsoft, Adobe, Pepsi, Berkshire Hathaway....

you're not good enough.
 

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No1 likes foreign workers. You ask any country. India America Singapore france pakistan etc.
They allow migration for various diff reasons.

But 1 thing is true in every situation, with a fake degree you can get a job for a month maybe but would be fired on the spot when cant do shit.

So any1 whose saying people from outside taking your jobs with fake degrees, I would say that means your standard of education is so low that even a person with fake degree can do your job.

Ofcourse a migrant automatically means he would be cheaper, so this doesn't count much.
 

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I know lots of Singaporean friends who are sick of Indians and the major pedophile crimes Indian immigrants bring to singapore. It’s time for Singapore to send the Indians back, on leaky rafts if they have to
 

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No1 likes foreign workers. You ask any country. India America Singapore france pakistan etc.
They allow migration for various diff reasons.

But 1 thing is true in every situation, with a fake degree you can get a job for a month maybe but would be fired on the spot when cant do shit.

So any1 whose saying people from outside taking your jobs with fake degrees, I would say that means your standard of education is so low that even a person with fake degree can do your job.

Ofcourse a migrant automatically means he would be cheaper, so this doesn't count much.
Singapore need foreigners, just NOT TOO MUCH OF INDIANS.
Nationals from Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, China, China Taipei, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, India and many others are welcome.

Our POLL should be WHAT SINGAPOREANS THINK ABOUT INDIAN FOREIGNERS instead of just "FOREIGNER".
Afraid POLLS can be manipulated to MISLEAD.

Why we don't like FOREIGNER INDIANS?
PETTY OBNOXIOUS INDIAN FOREIGNER MAKING BIG FUSS OVER PARKING FEES
Rich Indian Man Staying in 1.5 Million Condo Scolds Security Guard Over Parking
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The cradle of Indian engineers and Indian scientists and Indian professionals in Singapore.


No wonder India cannot even make bullets and must buy from Russia and overseas.:rofl::enjoy::pleasantry:
And the artillery that India designed tend to explode and kill more Indians than anybody else.:rofl:


www.theguardian.com


Relatives scale buildings to help Indian students cheat on exams - video
Students in Hajipur, north-eastern India, were given a helping hand from friends and family as they sat state exams on Thursday.
www.theguardian.com

www.theguardian.com
 

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Lmao. That's like saying "I'm not gonna trust official figures if it contradict my beliefs, I'm just going to believe in my own anecdotes".
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You of all people should know how the Singapore government controls the press right? Anyway, you can laugh all you want, I am not here to change your opinion either if you are deluded to official statistics rather than ground realities. And here's your statistics for you to search up Singapore's ranking below.

https://rsf.org/en/ranking

Indian expatriates make up only a tiny fraction of our workforce. "
Since you talk about statistics, back it up then. I suggest you go to Changi Business Park to see the ground realities for yourself. Anyway, before you misquote me, the direction of my argument is centered on how they are stealing jobs here, of white-collared jobs, that can be done by a Singaporean. The question here is our educational system and job industry lacking to produce such individuals of high caliber? This begs the question of whether we need to hire foreigners when our own people could do the job.

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EP holders make only a fraction of foreigners, and of those a large majority are probably Malaysians. So the Malaysians are stealing our jobs now?

Back up your claim with statistics. Our unemployment rate is one of the lowest in the world. Even now with Covid, our unemployment rate remains better than many countries in good times:

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Why only include EP holders? S pass holders/Dependants/Work Pass holders are foreigners as well. What is the correlation of this image in proving your point that Malaysians are stealing our jobs?

By the way, a Singaporean will be more closely associated with Malaysia, than India. We share the same cultural background, cuisine, and some of us even have ties there. You should know it by now if you are truly a Singaporean.

By the way, most Malaysians here who work in Singapore, are blue-collared ranging in retail and services industries. They were never a threat, to begin with, and mainly taking advantage of the currency ratio. Here's a little read up to find out more.

https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/507454

Statistics are not everything, and you wouldn't want to engage in that. It only provides you a perspective but never the true ground reality. A person may be considered employed even if he drives taxi/Grab delivery. The key here is that, does he have the opportunity to work in the same field as an Indian professional IT? So even if the employment rate is low, it does not define the quality of jobs a Singaporean is supposed to be doing.





So you're gonna renegotiate a whole FTA just because of some bad apples who fake their credentials?

The answer is stricter enforcement of regulations and oversight, not tearing up the whole FTA. Moreover, an FTA doesn't really matter, because a work permit has to be granted by MOM.

Seriously, blaming everything on CECA is such a dumb thing I see on the internet. If you want to vent your frustration, at least vent it on the correct entity which is MOM. MOM makes the decision to give out work permits. That's why you see elected opposition members questioning MOM in parliament rather than on an FTA, unlike the clueless jokers ranting under Facebook comments."

Of course, renegotiating the whole of FTA is impossible. The whole idea of CECA While it is not seen on the economic front, it does play a huge role in the social issue that Singaporeans are facing. that is not seen on the surface level. You may take faking credentials lightly, but you should change your mindset as it is a serious issue in a country that prides on meritocracy. Do you even know why Chinese from the mainland are employed more than Indians here? It's because of the quality of their universities and training. India does not even have a university in the top 10 in Asia despite being one of the largest economies in the world which speaks volumes.

https://www.topuniversities.com/uni...ersity-rankings/top-10-universities-asia-2020

In my opinion, it is not completely wrong to blame CECA. It has laid the groundwork for future issues to crop up. If the negotiations were better, some of the social issues can be avoided. Read this write-up for details but I will show you one example of how the ruling has been taken advantage of,

"In particular, it was clarified that Indian companies that bring transferees from India “do not have to advertise the position to locals as part of the Fair Consideration Framework” (ST article). In other words, if a new job is created in Singapore, Indian companies can bring in an Indian national to fill the job without first offering it to Singaporeans.

Unfortunately, the story does not end there. In Article 9.6 of CECA, those who have been granted a privilege to work in Singapore can bring their spouses and dependants here. And Singapore “shall, upon application, grant the accompanying spouses or dependants… the right to work as managers, executives or specialists….”. That is, for every Indian national working here in a “high growth” sector, Singapore has to allow one or more dependants from India to compete with Singaporeans in jobs that are not necessarily in the “high growth” sector."


https://www.onlinecitizenasia.com/2...benefit-the-average-singaporean-economically/


Think about it. An Indian professional working here, and then they starting bringing people over, and those people are not as employable as other Singaporeans but get the job in the company due to contacts due to the agreement. All they have to do is pay a higher salary and meet the requirements, and with a bit of luck in the employment pass (which is usually given on certain positions), you will get employed. This is why there has been an overconcentration of Indians in quite a bit of company where it's a no-go area for MOM to tackle because they can't control such things as long as they met the requirements eg. minimum pay.

I do agree with you that the MOM has to strengthen regulations, and put in more quality checks. I would even go to suggest limiting the number of nationalities in a particular company. But, no matter how much stringency in place, there will always be loopholes ready to be exploited. The COVID pandemic has been a blessing in disguise, and more stringent checks are added e.g. raising minimum sum. But more has to be done to level the playing field for Singaporeans.
 
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You of all people should know how the Singapore government controls the press right?
No. Tell me in detail.

Lol yeah, Russia where reporters can go missing has higher press freedom. You believe in this nonsensical ranking?


Since you talk about statistics, back it up then.
Why only include EP holders? S pass holders/Dependants/Work Pass holders are foreigners as well.
I've cited EP holders, which are white-collar jobs Singaporeans want to do.

What is the correlation of this image in proving your point that Malaysians are stealing our jobs?
Then what is your point of singling Indian nationals when Malaysians are far greater in numbers and thus have a far greater impact on the local job market?

I suggest you go to Changi Business Park to see the ground realities for yourself.
I live nearby and used to work there. I still go there occasionally to have dinner; just last week. You seriously think you know more than me?
 

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No. Tell me in detail.
CNN posted a news article in 2019 in regards to the government control of media expression especially in response to the POFMA laws. You should know about this controversial law that was passed recently. Have a read on it to learn more.

https://theindependent.sg/cnn-says-...trolled-both-the-media-and-online-expression/

If you have access read this about how Singapore government control the press by the Johns Hopkins University way back in 2008.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20486715?seq=1


Lol yeah, Russia where reporters can go missing has higher press freedom. You believe in this nonsensical ranking?
Read the indices and logarithms used in the link below. I am not here to derail the thread. If you still want to be deluded, be my guest. I definitely trust such articles more than someone randomly trying to convince me its nonsensical ranking just based on a single criteria.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/journl...reliable-are-world-press-freedom-indices/amp/




I've cited EP holders, which are white-collar jobs Singaporeans want to do.

Then what is your point of singling Indian nationals when Malaysians are far greater in numbers and thus have a far greater impact on the local job market?
Other than EP, S-Pass are also required to earn at least 2500 SGD, and needs to have a degree/diploma equivalent to qualify. Its more economical to hire a foreigner and pay him 2500 SGD then pay a Singaporean 3000SGD excluding CPF and other Singaporean benefits to do the same job. Additionally, I can get that foreigner to work extra as well without any complaints. This is basic economics and such strategy has been abused.

If you have even bothered to read my previous post, most Malaysians work here and blue collared/less skills jobs. This includes drivers/mechanics/retail/F&B. Refer to the article posted in 2018.
https://blog.moneysmart.sg/career/jobs-singapore-foreigners-malaysians/.


Re-read this.


"In particular, it was clarified that Indian companies that bring transferees from India “do not have to advertise the position to locals as part of the Fair Consideration Framework” (ST article). In other words, if a new job is created in Singapore, Indian companies can bring in an Indian national to fill the job without first offering it to Singaporeans.

Unfortunately, the story does not end there. In Article 9.6 of CECA, those who have been granted a privilege to work in Singapore can bring their spouses and dependants here. And Singapore “shall, upon application, grant the accompanying spouses or dependants… the right to work as managers, executives or specialists….”. That is, for every Indian national working here in a “high growth” sector, Singapore has to allow one or more dependants from India to compete with Singaporeans in jobs that are not necessarily in the “high growth” sector."

https://www.onlinecitizenasia.com/2...benefit-the-average-singaporean-economically/


CECA has provided a channel for Indians to easily get access to the EP and S-pass jobs in Singapore just based on this article itself. If I was an employer working owning an IT company, all I have to do is bring over people to work here and they can bring their dependants here to work as well and recommend to different sister companies. Then employ a few Singaporeans as well as desperate interns to meet the quota.All that is left for me is to meet the requirement for pay which is still considerably cheaper than what they have to pay for Singaporeans. To top it off they have accessed to 127 such sectors. Malaysia has no such agreement in their favour.

This was by the way a hotly debated topic during the general elections 2020 between PSP and PAP, which I hope you have chosen to participate for your future. Politicians have chosen to talk about the foreigners issues in Singapore but have also focused more intensively on the CECA agreement. If politicians from the opposition are willing to bring up such sensitive topic and even review the CECA agreement then you shouldn't condone me for just sidelining the Indians on this issue.

https://theindependent.sg/tan-cheng...for-a-review-of-ceca-agreement-trends-online/


I live nearby and used to work there. I still go there occasionally to have dinner; just last week. You seriously think you know more than me?
In my humble opinion, yes I do know more than you. Read some forums around to get a judgement on what are people thoughts on that area. Some have even nickname it Changalore (which is a true shame).

https://forums.vrzone.com/chit-chatting/3323241-changi-business-park-changalore.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/43tfpf
 
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CNN posted a news article in 2019 in regards to the government control of media expression especially in response to the POFMA laws. You should know about this controversial law that was passed recently. Have a read on it to learn more.

https://theindependent.sg/cnn-says-...trolled-both-the-media-and-online-expression/

If you have access read this about how Singapore government control the press by the Johns Hopkins University way back in 2008.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20486715?seq=1




Read the indices and logarithms used in the link below. I am not here to derail the thread. If you still want to be deluded, be my guest. I definitely trust such articles more than someone randomly trying to convince me its nonsensical ranking just based on a single criteria.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/journl...reliable-are-world-press-freedom-indices/amp/






Other than EP, S-Pass are also required to earn at least 2500 SGD, and needs to have a degree/diploma equivalent to qualify. Its more economical to hire a foreigner and pay him 2500 SGD then pay a Singaporean 3000SGD excluding CPF and other Singaporean benefits to do the same job. Additionally, I can get that foreigner to work extra as well without any complaints. This is basic economics and such strategy has been abused.

If you have even bothered to read my previous post, most Malaysians work here and blue collared/less skills jobs. This includes drivers/mechanics/retail/F&B. Refer to the article posted in 2018.
https://blog.moneysmart.sg/career/jobs-singapore-foreigners-malaysians/.


Re-read this.


"In particular, it was clarified that Indian companies that bring transferees from India “do not have to advertise the position to locals as part of the Fair Consideration Framework” (ST article). In other words, if a new job is created in Singapore, Indian companies can bring in an Indian national to fill the job without first offering it to Singaporeans.

Unfortunately, the story does not end there. In Article 9.6 of CECA, those who have been granted a privilege to work in Singapore can bring their spouses and dependants here. And Singapore “shall, upon application, grant the accompanying spouses or dependants… the right to work as managers, executives or specialists….”. That is, for every Indian national working here in a “high growth” sector, Singapore has to allow one or more dependants from India to compete with Singaporeans in jobs that are not necessarily in the “high growth” sector."

https://www.onlinecitizenasia.com/2...benefit-the-average-singaporean-economically/


CECA has provided a channel for Indians to easily get access to the EP and S-pass jobs in Singapore just based on this article itself. If I was an employer working owning an IT company, all I have to do is bring over people to work here and they can bring their dependants here to work as well and recommend to different sister companies. Then employ a few Singaporeans as well as desperate interns to meet the quota.All that is left for me is to meet the requirement for pay which is still considerably cheaper than what they have to pay for Singaporeans. To top it off they have accessed to 127 such sectors. Malaysia has no such agreement in their favour.

This was by the way a hotly debated topic during the general elections 2020 between PSP and PAP, which I hope you have chosen to participate for your future. Politicians have chosen to talk about the foreigners issues in Singapore but have also focused more intensively on the CECA agreement. If politicians from the opposition are willing to bring up such sensitive topic and even review the CECA agreement then you shouldn't condone me for just sidelining the Indians on this issue.

https://theindependent.sg/tan-cheng...for-a-review-of-ceca-agreement-trends-online/




In my humble opinion, yes I do know more than you. Read some forums around to get a judgement on what are people thoughts on that area. Some have even nickname it Changalore (which is a true shame).

https://forums.vrzone.com/chit-chatting/3323241-changi-business-park-changalore.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/comments/43tfpf
LOL.

>Using forums and TIS to back your argument. You just lost all credibility.
 

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