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Why French Rafale Fighters and Meteor Missiles Can’t Solve India’s Problem with China’s Air Force

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BTW+2 I fail to see how the Chinese air force has a decisive edge over India when large part of its air fleet is composed of junk like J7/J8 and SU30s SU35s..... + copies/licensed variants of SU27/30.... the same type of aircraft India uses....
Why don't you read up on the composition of the PLAAF before spewing ignorance like this?

And they understand sukhoi lineups pretty well which su-30 makes up the bulk of IAF (India Air Farce)
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Basically the Chinese know the workings of the IAF in and out since they have the same fighters ... the same does not apply to the Indians. But honestly with the J-20, the J-10s, and J-16s, the Chinese will probably grab aerial superiority within the first couple hours of any hypothetical conflict and keep it for the duration of the conflict. I really only see the IAF being effective at harassing Chinese fighters but not effectively contesting airspace. Unfortunately, India's best shot at contesting Chinese aerial superiority ended after they pulled out of the FGFA program.
S-400s too



Indians are used to humiliation. The bigger humiliation would be for the French.
France has been humiliated many times anyway ... they're used to it :enjoy::tup:
 

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BTW+2 I fail to see how the Chinese air force has a decisive edge over India when large part of its air fleet is composed of junk like J7/J8 and SU30s SU35s..... + copies/licensed variants of SU27/30.... the same type of aircraft India uses....

Sorry but a lot of people would disagree with you.

Even though Rafale is good 4+ gen fighter, it will be outclassed by the J-20 that was developed as a 5th generation fighter, although it is not quite up there with the US types.

J-10C with AESA + PL-15 will have a decisive advantage over anything but Rafales that India has and I do think that the Rafale is better than the J-10C.

Problem for India is that it is too poor and cannot buy what China can produce. Unless the US will sell F-22s/F-35s to India at discount prices, the IAF will keep falling further and further behind the PLAAF.
 

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Grats to France...you milked the cow big time.

Anyway, indians will just spin their way to glorious victory like they alwys do.
The French are laughing all the to their banks after rinsing the Indians 250 million
a pop for the 4th gen Rafales. Lol
 

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And they understand sukhoi lineups pretty well which su-30 makes up the bulk of IAF (India Air Farce)
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Initial plan of the Soviets to make Su-30 the Fighter Aircraft of International Air Force in the Air Force of Rus Federation; People Republic of China;Federal Republic of Germany;Republic of Iran; Republic of Pakistan; Socialist Republic of Vietnam; Republic of Poland etc

Soviet Union Disintegrated because of the Wider Global Plans of the Rus Federation !

Su-30 became Cy-30; Su-35 became Cy-35; S-300 became Cy-300 etc.

Iranian Air Force Cy-35 Fleet as been overhauled. Turkish Air Defenses Units as well as Afghan Air Defenses Units are aware of the Capabilities of the Cy-35.
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The author fails to take into account factors that greatly support this purchase:

1) the Rafales will be backed up by MKIs which are mini AWACs and can detect even stealth aircraft at 400km. Once they relay the data to the Rafale, the meteor with its ramjet engine can shoot down chinese planes at 200+km with no chance of escape.

2) the MKI are also internationally known as BVR dodgers. They can evade radar guided missiles with just flares - and will stop any chinese missiles hitting their targets.

3) india already produces a stealth fighter by the name of Tejas. Its a 4.9+++ Gen fighter with a RCS of a fly. Armed with Astra it can take on any 5th gen Chinese aircraft at 200km.

4) indian Mig21s with Israeli EW and avionics have cloaking ability, and if they can shoot down a Block 52 F16, the chinese junk stands no chance.

5) the IAF has the netra and phalcon systems which are capable of detecting any aircraft within 5000km. How will China sneak past these?

6) most importantly, India has brave pilots like Abhinandan who have the courage to go into enemy territory and drink all their tea. How will chinese pilots fight when IAF pilots drink all their tea?

Sometimes I do feel like the whole world is against India and purposely undermining its capabilities. If the Indians can shoot down their own aircraft and sink their own ships and subs, how can any nation fight such a resourceful people?
 

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I am talking about Chinese s-400s part from J-20s which will shoot down the Indian Rafales.
Cy-400 Surface to Air Defenses Batteries are Jointly produced by Rus Federation Defense Industries and People Republic of China Defense Industries.

Chinese Air Force Cy-35 are integrated with Cy-400 ; Jiang 20 are integrated with the Chinese Air Defenses Ly-80.

India does not have any S-400s. They are begging Russia to expedite but Russia is not interested.
Indian Armed Forces have Acquired Certain Numbers of Cy-400 Batteries along with the Radars from Syrian National Army and even from Iraqi Establishment.

Even the Turkish Armed Forces as well as Egyptian Armed Forces have acquired some Cy-400 Batteries !
 

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The author fails to take into account factors that greatly support this purchase:

1) the Rafales will be backed up by MKIs which are mini AWACs and can detect even stealth aircraft at 400km. Once they relay the data to the Rafale, the meteor with its ramjet engine can shoot down chinese planes at 200+km with no chance of escape.

2) the MKI are also internationally known as BVR dodgers. They can evade radar guided missiles with just flares - and will stop any chinese missiles hitting their targets.

3) india already produces a stealth fighter by the name of Tejas. Its a 4.9+++ Gen fighter with a RCS of a fly. Armed with Astra it can take on any 5th gen Chinese aircraft at 200km.

4) indian Mig21s with Israeli EW and avionics have cloaking ability, and if they can shoot down a Block 52 F16, the chinese junk stands no chance.

5) the IAF has the netra and phalcon systems which are capable of detecting any aircraft within 5000km. How will China sneak past these?

6) most importantly, India has brave pilots like Abhinandan who have the courage to go into enemy territory and drink all their tea. How will chinese pilots fight when IAF pilots drink all their tea?

Sometimes I do feel like the whole world is against India and purposely undermining its capabilities. If the Indians can shoot down their own aircraft and sink their own ships and subs, how can any nation fight such a resourceful people?
No F 16 can was shot down Indians hallucinations are not valid points. China's latest fighter jets plus their BVR plus the AWACS and plus the Electronic Warfare capabilities they have make them the biggest beast in the region. Your MKIs were humiliated by us.
 

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No F 16 can was shot down Indians hallucinations are not valid points. China's latest fighter jets plus their BVR plus the AWACS and plus the Electronic Warfare capabilities they have make them the biggest beast in the region. Your MKIs were humiliated by us.
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Sorry but a lot of people would disagree with you.

Even though Rafale is good 4+ gen fighter, it will be outclassed by the J-20 that was developed as a 5th generation fighter, although it is not quite up there with the US types.
Republic of France -Dassault Defense Industry made Rafales are Seventh Generation Aircraft which is according to French Aircraft Industry; But according to Allied Nations Aircraft Industry, Republic of France -Dassault Defense Industry made Rafales are below 4.5 Generation.

Jiang 20 comes under Different Counting Specifications.

J-10C with AESA + PL-15 will have a decisive advantage over anything but Rafales that India has and I do think that the Rafale is better than the J-10C.
Jiang 10 are Chinese Air Force Bombers Fleet; March 2019 80+ Jiang 10 Bombers have been received by Pakistan Air Force.

Union of India Establishment doesnt have Rafales; Indians makes thier Own Planes;

Problem for India is that it is too poor and cannot buy what China can produce.
Chinese doesnt sell anything to India in Defense Equipment !

Unless the US will sell F-22s/F-35s to India at discount prices, the IAF will keep falling further and further behind the PLAAF.
United States of America Establishment and Union of India Establishment doesnt share Technology to each other on Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft !

F35's are based on United States of America Technology !

No F 16 can was shot down Indians hallucinations are not valid points. China's latest fighter jets plus their BVR plus the AWACS and plus the Electronic Warfare capabilities they have make them the biggest beast in the region. Your MKIs were humiliated by us.
United States of America have Sold Certain Numbers of F16 Block 35 to Pakistan Air Force in the 1980's. Chinese, Ruse, Germans, Polish and Pakistanis Aviation Experts have made changes in the F16's depending on thier National Interest.

This is Classified Info which Indian Armed Forces Central Command Headquarters has kept Classified.
 

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No F 16 can was shot down Indians hallucinations are not valid points. China's latest fighter jets plus their BVR plus the AWACS and plus the Electronic Warfare capabilities they have make them the biggest beast in the region. Your MKIs were humiliated by us.
@Zarvan the sarcasm went over your head.
 

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If I was French, I would delay the delivery of Rafaels to India till things cool down with China. You really don't want your front line prized jet to be shot down so quickly after the delivery, and hand over the marketing/sales coup to the Chinese, who by any account will be rubbing their hands to avail this opportunity and show case their own products.

27th Feb 2019 was a huge embarrassment for the Israeli manufacturers.
 

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The author fails to take into account factors that greatly support this purchase:

1) the Rafales will be backed up by MKIs which are mini AWACs and can detect even stealth aircraft at 400km. Once they relay the data to the Rafale, the meteor with its ramjet engine can shoot down chinese planes at 200+km with no chance of escape.

2) the MKI are also internationally known as BVR dodgers. They can evade radar guided missiles with just flares - and will stop any chinese missiles hitting their targets.

3) india already produces a stealth fighter by the name of Tejas. Its a 4.9+++ Gen fighter with a RCS of a fly. Armed with Astra it can take on any 5th gen Chinese aircraft at 200km.

4) indian Mig21s with Israeli EW and avionics have cloaking ability, and if they can shoot down a Block 52 F16, the chinese junk stands no chance.

5) the IAF has the netra and phalcon systems which are capable of detecting any aircraft within 5000km. How will China sneak past these?

6) most importantly, India has brave pilots like Abhinandan who have the courage to go into enemy territory and drink all their tea. How will chinese pilots fight when IAF pilots drink all their tea?

Sometimes I do feel like the whole world is against India and purposely undermining its capabilities. If the Indians can shoot down their own aircraft and sink their own ships and subs, how can any nation fight such a resourceful people?
I am indian , but this is deadly ROFL :) :) :)...........honestly the problem is indian corrupt leadership not soldiers or scientist to blame
 

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