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Why China didn't take 'Tibet's five fingers' for so many decades?

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Why China didn't take 'Tibet's five fingers' (Ladakh, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and Arunachal Pradesh) for so many decades?

My guess is the following three factors:

1. The difficult terrain of Himalayas

2. Issues of logistics and supply lines

3. Harsh cold climate of the region
 

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Why China didn't take 'Tibet's five fingers' (Ladakh, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and Arunachal Pradesh) for so many decades?

My guess is the following three factors:

1. The difficult terrain of Himalayas

2. Issues of logistics and supply lines

3. Harsh cold climate of the region
Is there any academic debate on this issue in India?
Also did China lay a claim on Bhutan? Thanks
 
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Is there any academic debate on this issue in India?
Also did China lay a claim on Bhutan? Thanks
There was Chinese propaganda in 70s or even earlier. That Tibet is palm of China and Ladakh, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and the then NEFA of Assam are it's five fingers. I am surprised you don't know this.

@SIPRA,

Do you know about this?
Cause they wanted to shove there fist up Indian behind.
What's your age?
 

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There was Chinese propaganda in 70s or even earlier. That Tibet is palm of China and Ladakh, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and the then NEFA of Assam are it's five fingers. I am surprised you don't know this.

@SIPRA,

Do you know about this?

This narrative is ascribed to Mao, but I am not sure of it's veracity. But, traditionally, China has recognized sovereignty of India over Sikkim. China considers Nepal and Bhutan as sovereign states. China's claim on Arunachal Pradesh (erstwhile NEFA) is merely a counterpoise to India's claim on Aksai Chin. Therefore, Chou Enlai, in 1960, offered to Nehru a "swap", which he rejected. In spite of that, China withdrew it's forces from NEFA, after capturing it, in 1962 War. China's policy, at that time, was not to stress upon historical claims, but to settle boundary issues, predominantly, based upon actual administrative control. This was emphasized by Chou Enlai, in many of his statements.

What is China's policy now, I don't know. It is somewhat vague, as I gather it.
 
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This narrative is ascribed to Mao, but I am not sure of it's veracity. But, traditionally, China has recognized sovereignty of India over Sikkim. China considers Nepal and Bhutan as sovereign states. China's claim on Arunachal Pradesh (erstwhile NEFA) is merely a counterpoise to India's claim on Aksai Chin. Therefore, Chou Enlai, in 1960, offered to Nehru a "swap", which he rejected. In spite of that, China withdrew it's forces from NEFA, after capturing it, in 1962 War. China's policy, at that time, was not to stress upon historical claims, but to settle boundary issues, predominantly, based upon actual administrative control. This was emphasized by Chou Enlai, in many of his statements.

What is China's policy now, I don't know. It is somewhat vague, as I gather it.
If my memory is not distorted, your own paaji had posted about reattaching Tibet's five fingers. He keeps deleting his posts.

Found the quote:

Oye Putar Pakistan dae,

We have a border with China in Ladakh... the final line will be drawn when the milestones are reached.

From Shanghai to Islamabad via Sri Nagar.


Frankly, we are at delicate moment in emerging Global Power Architecture... we need to tread carefully as PakState both within and without. @The Eagle

It is easy to talk Geoeconomics on TeeVee but to execute the GeoeconomicPlan require a bit more... perhaps much more.

We shall discuss this in a separate, dedicated thread. Marker.

Tibet is the Palm of China ... the Five Fingers need reattachment... both from historic and Global Power Architecture perspective. We should explore this further....

For China Pakistan is shaping to be its Arm with Hand.

And China is shaping to be Pakistan's Body.


I am fully aware that such an Observation is un-nationalistic... might even appear denegrating. I assure you that is not so.

Pakistan can NEVER develop or become prosperous with the current system designed for the CriminalEnterprise.

For Geoeconomics to bear fruit Pak must become a SolidState and not the current existences of SoftState.

It is the Game of Go that Pakistan must learn from China.

Pres. Xi visiting South Tibet is monumental... it cann't be understated. Marker.

The good Indians were overeager in overselling themselves to the Empire led CombinedWest. All them huggocracies, selfies and Quading...

Deafening voices against Pakistan and shrieking silence against China by the BritishIndia have shown the impotance of the Quading Enterprise with Gangetic state as the Fronline against the Dragon. @StormBreaker

However, this is not enough for truly AsianCentury or Revival of AsianCivilisation. The Centre of Gravity is always one... never two. @Verve @newb3e

As we live in a someone else's world... carrying Hole in OurSouls... artificial creations of the Colonial drawing boards... need to be redrawn.

The idea was that the BritishIndia would keep China out and Pakistan down... never thought of CPEC!!!

PakState/Gov so far has been too appologetic about OurExistence. This needs to change.


Pakistan must operationalise Timur system... to declare the extent of its Full Spectrum Deterence... this is the only way to start the journey of coming out black hole we find ourselves in.

Besides, the ThirdActor Dymancis are leaving Pakistan little choice in Greater ME. @Blacklight @PanzerKiel

BritishIndia can have ICBMs and Pakistan cannot?

You are either a NuclearState or you are not. Because it is not about the bomb....

The Greatest Game is in Town and Pakistan is The Heartland!

As you know... a GreatPower can only become a GreatPower when it dismantles a Challenger.

There is no space for two GreatPowers in Asia...

Xi's visit is an Annoucement/Declaration of Sovereignity on the occupied parts of China
... currently adiminstered by the GangeticState.

We should remember JK will be liberated when China wants it to be so...

From Shanghai to Islamabad via Sri Nagar... is a Chinese requirement... so we shouldn't be taking any credit just yet.

Will Modi now visit SouthTibet?

Will he invite DalaiLama to his house?

The good Indians always love to think of themselves as great strategists... but always end up.. well....

The current Chinese strategy of sucking the good Indians into the abyss by subtle movements has paid dividends....

Luckily, the good Indians have Rafale this time... so PLA be worried!!

The dead horse of SAARC is now hanging around the Gangetics' neck... and China has formed a new SouthAsianBlock... Modi is welcome to join the club under Xi's leadership!

All of above is all fancy/dandy and good... but we should NEVER underestimate the Gangetics.... they are going to vent their paralysis against China through terrorism in Pakistan.

Dasu is a litmus test for not only SinoPakAxis but also for the Gangetics-n-Partners...

Geoeconomics is BigBoys Game... at least we Paks are now seeing/sensing the Value of Pakistan.

Gawadar is the new Sumarqund!


Mangus
 

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Because we love peace and peace brings development, we have not had war for 40 years. This is why some people are insane: on the one hand, they talk about China's threat, aggressiveness, and so on. On the other hand, it is said that the Chinese army has not had war for 40 years and may not have war experience. "
 

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If my memory is not distorted, your own paaji had posted about reattaching Tibet's five fingers. He keeps deleting his posts.

You see, once Chou Enlai, possibly during his visit to India, in 1960, said to Nehru something to this account that claims are claims, and all claims are not necessarily valid.
On the other hand, it is said that the Chinese army has not had war for 40 years and may not have war experience. "

This point is often emphasized by their retired military officers, on their TV channels programs. :lol:
 
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Why China didn't take 'Tibet's five fingers' (Ladakh, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan and Arunachal Pradesh) for so many decades?

My guess is the following three factors:

1. The difficult terrain of Himalayas

2. Issues of logistics and supply lines

3. Harsh cold climate of the region

@That Guy @fitpOsitive

Such a significant question and nobody is interested in discussing it.
 

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@That Guy @fitpOsitive

Such a significant question and nobody is interested in discussing it.
For decades China was biding its time and didn't want to be seen as an aggressor nation, and incur the wrath of Western/European powers. It was China's official policy set out by (I believe) Deng Xiaoping, an approach I have always thought Pakistan should take.

Wait, build your resources, build your connections and economic power, grow stronger both politically and economically, and once you've grown strong in those areas, start investing heavily in the military, because, at that point, no one can stop you. That's what China did, and is also why China never had a direct hard policy which advocated for an army with wide range offensive capabilities.
 
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For decades China was biding its time and didn't want to be seen as an aggressor nation, and incur the wrath of Western/European powers. It was China's official policy set out by (I believe) Deng Xiaoping, an approach I have always thought Pakistan should take.

Wait, build your resources, build your connections and economic power, grow stronger both politically and economically, and once you've grown strong in those areas, start investing heavily in the military, because, at that point, no one can stop you. That's what China did, and is also why China never had a direct hard policy which advocated for an army with wide range offensive capabilities.
Not everyone is as mad as India, who is occupying the most unforgiving terrain of himalayas.
Basically its about benefits. And no one is better than China in this regards.
Why did China attack in 1962 then only to withdraw after the war? And why did they attack Tibet in 1950 and faced worldwide condemnation? You say that China doesn't have a direct hard policy. Why have they forced Dalai Lama into exile then? Dalai Lama is a Nobel laureate for peace.
 

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Why did China attack in 1962 then only to withdraw after the war? And why did they attack Tibet in 1950 and faced worldwide condemnation? You say that China doesn't have a direct hard policy. Why have they forced Dalai Lama into exile then? Dalai Lama is a Nobel laureate for peace.
1962, India had a policy known as the forward policy, which was very aggressive in nature, and China tried to multiple times negotiate, only to be rebuked by the Indian side, there were a series of skirmishes between India and China leading up to the events of 1962. The Chinese withdrew as a sign to show the world that they weren't the ones to start the fighting.

Tibet was taken during Mao's reign, enough said.

The Dalai Lama believes that China is in illegal occupation of the Tibetan homeland. China believes Tibet is a part of China, and the Dalai Lama is a puppet being used by India and the US to push separatism within China.

Everything has an explanation, you only need to look.

Nations don't act irrationally, they all do what is in their interests, it's as simple as that. Even when they seem crazy, they have a purpose in mind.
 

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Why did China attack in 1962 then only to withdraw after the war? And why did they attack Tibet in 1950 and faced worldwide condemnation? You say that China doesn't have a direct hard policy. Why have they forced Dalai Lama into exile then? Dalai Lama is a Nobel laureate for peace.
China builds pressure only. War is not a Chinese thing.
 

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