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Who Killed Stalin?

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  1. Desert Fox

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    Interesting video I came across.



    Also the following article is of great interest as well:

    "On March 5, 1953, the Soviet media announced the death of Stalin.

    There is overwhelming evidence that he was murdered. He died within 2 months of the Doctors' Plot being announced.

    His murderers were in two factions: a Jewish one (Beria, Kaganovich, Molotov) and a "Russian" one (Khrushchev).

    The Jewish one seized power, but was overthrown a few months later by Khruschev.

    The fall of Beria was announced on 10 July, 1953: beria.html.

    Voroshilov and Molotov were in the Jewish faction. In Special Tasks, Sudoplatov says that their wives were Jewish, p. 288 footnote 4: sudoplat.html.

    On Beria's belonging to the Jewish faction, see Sudoplatov, pp. 287-8, 296, 298, 306. On Kaganovich being Jewish, see Sudoplatov, p. 300.

    Mikoyan was also in the Jewish faction; he had been involved in the plan for a Jewish republic in the Crimea: Sudoplatov, p. 288 n4.

    Stalin died within 2 months of the Doctors' Plot being announced. The successor Government, run by the Jewish faction, denounced the Doctors' Plot as bogus."

    "Stalin killed, directly and indirectly, millions of people; there is no question of making him a hero. But the murder of such a powerful man, and its cover-up, raise even more questions about who was controlling Communism."

    "January 13th 1953: The 'Doctors' Plot' Exposed - nine Kremlin physicians arrested.

    January 13, 1953: Tass announced the discovery of a terrorist group of poisoning doctors. (Edvard Radzinsky, Stalin, p. 539) radzinsk.html

    February 8, 1953: Pravda published the names of Jewish saboteurs etc. ( Radzinsky p. 542)

    February 11, 1953: the USSR severed diplomatic relations with Israel (Yosef Govrin, Israeli-Soviet Relations 1953-1967, pp. 3-4). moscow-vs-jerusalem.html

    End of February, 1953: rumors went around Moscow that the Jews were to be deported to Siberia (Radzinsky, p. 542), with March 5 rumoured to be the date when this would happen (p. 546}. Radzinsky claims that Stalin was inviting war with America, the home of Zionism and world finance, over this issue, because America was dominated by Zionist financiers (p. 543).

    March 4th: Moscow radio announces Stalin's illness.

    March 5, 1953: Stalin declared dead.

    March 6th: Beria's tanks surround Moscow.

    March 9th: Stalin's funeral.

    April 3rd: Kremlin doctors freed."



    "On March 9, Soviet newsreel cameramen filmed the funeral in all of its details. The results of their labors would never be seen. All of the cameramen's work was consigned to the film arehives, where it remains to this day, unavai]able for foreign or domestic consumption. For, before the film of the funeral was ready, the wind had changed and it was already time to forget Stalin.

    F.L., a literary critic, received an urgent commission from a Moscow magazine to write an essay on Stalin's place in Soviet literature. The entire April issue of the magazine would be devoted to the deceased leader. About two weeks after the assignment, the cditor-inchief telephoned: "No point in continuing. You will be paid for the essay, of course. But the table of contents for April has been changed."

    Pravda remained Stalinist-tinged for about thirteen days: From the mourning issue of March 10, which was devoted entirely to the funeral ceremonies, to March 22 inclusive. During this time, Stalin continued to be quoted in many articles. Poems inspired by him still appeared, and his name was still accompanied by glowing superlatives. One also found the themes that had filled the paper before his death: "doctor-assassins" "hidden enemies of our people," "henchmen of the Zionist Jews," as well as the usual appeals for spying on

    {p. 176} one's neighbors and the usual denunciations of "slackness and naivete."

    With spring, everything changed. The great man's name appeared only two or three times in each issue of the newspaper; sometimes it was completely absent.

    On April 7, the Constitution of the U.S.S.R. ceased to be "Stalinist Constitution," and became, quite simply, the "Soviet Constitution." On the same day, Yekaterina Furtseva, quoting Stalin's last work, already failed to qualify it as "inspired."

    On and after March 23, the word "vigilance" seemed to have been forgotten as all the commentators began discussing the "prosperity of the people." The plots of land given to the workers to grow potatoes became a subject of great concern to the organ of the Central Committee.

    At the same time, the articles against Jews ceased. The last big anti-Semitic feature article - one of the most violent published - appeared in the March 20 issue of Krokodil. Vasily Ardamatsky, the author of this ill-timed article, would have the unpleasant experience of being shunned by his colleagues and of hearing himself nicknamed Vasya Timashuk, after the woman doctor who had denounced and caused the arrest of the "men in white."

    Tears had not yet been dried, but the process of de-Stalinization got under way enthusiastically, and, in the leading circles, one could almost hear an enormous but discreet sigh of relief.

    For the old guard, it was a matter of preserving the advantages of succession while elirninating its dangers - of maintaining power but diminishing tensions. After thirty-five years of existence, the Party could flatter itself that it bore, in the eyes of Soviet citizens, the mysterious seal of legitimacy. But now the leaders were going to disassociate the Party from Stalin, even though the habit of identifying it with him had become deeply rooted.°

    ° A convincing example of this can be found by comparing two writings of Mikhail Sholokhov published in Pravda at an interval of less than five months. The first was the great funeral chant which appeared on March 8, after Stalin's burial:
    Farewell, father! Farewell, dear father, whom we shall love until our last breath. You will always be with us and with those who are born after us. We hear your voice in the rhythmic rumble of the turbines of the gigantic hydro-electric power plants, and in the crash of the waves of the seas created by your will, and in the cadenced step of the invincible Soviet infantry and in the soft soughing of foliage on the well-timbered plains which stretch to infinity.

    The second text, which appeared on July 30, was entitled: "Live eternally our dear Party." In this article, Sholokhov did not mention Stalin's name even once."


    Rest of the article can be read here:
    mailstar.net/death-of-stalin.html


    You're thoughts guys @Nilgiri @Psychic @vostok @ptldM3
     
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    There are different conspiracy theories on this subject.
    Your signature shows our noora took dhandali inspiration from stalin :lol:
     
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    Hi,

    So---Stalin and Beria are sitting in the same room having a drink. Beria is deep in his thoughts---.

    Stalin asks him what are you thinking---? Beria stares at Stalin for a moment then replies " You don't want to know---.Just be thankful that I am on your side "---.

    Beria was a psychopathic murderer---.
     
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    Molotov was Russian, not Jew. And Khrushchev was Ukrainian. Beria was right hand of Stalin and his disciple, follower and successor. Khrushchev, as soon as he destroyed his rivals, immediately started a policy of de-Stalinization, which led to economic difficulties and political catastrophe - a quarrel with China.
     
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    LLO You have ruin the dreams of 'Jews are responsible for everything' brigade on here:D
     
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    i think Khurshchev was a nice guy , just like Lenin , Ghurbachev and like dmitry medvedev too . he introduced soft power , he even issued tourist visas to western tourists and that was a much better approach than Stalin's .

    btw @vostok , is ukraine a bettter or worse place than russia for an iranian tourist like me to visit ?
     
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    "Reason did"...
     
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    Vacations in Ukraine are cheaper, because the country is much poorer than Russia.

    By the way, Beria also was not Jewish he was Georgian, as Stalin.
     
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    Being jewish is not a nationality... YOu can be Georgian and Jew/Christian/Muslim etc...
     
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    In Russian we use word "еврей" ("yevrey") for nationality and "иудей" ("iudey") for confession. Beria was Georgian by nationality and atheist by religion.
     
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    as far as i know, he wasn't murdered.
     
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    Interesting. What do you think about the 'Doctors Plot'? Was Stalin poisoned? Why did he fear that Jewish doctors would poison him days before he was found dead in his Villa?

    Also, why would the Jews want Stalin dead?
    Could it be that Beria was involved in a conspiracy to kill Stalin?

    "Many people knew that Beria was going to wage war against Stalin. His son Sergo said that father highly likely schemed something against Stalin with the help of his supporters in law enforcement structures and with his own intelligence structure that was not controlled by any of the governmental structures."


    See more at http://www.pravdareport.com/history/29-12-2005/9457-stalin-0/


    I think you are mistaken. No one here is seeking to falsely implicate Jews for "everything".

    This is a genuine inquiry.

    Why did Stalin, a man who had Jewish wives, many of his henchmen were Jewish, who fought and destroyed the Jews biggest enemy, Hitler, and under who's leadership the Soviet Union became the world's first country to recognize the statehood of the Zionist state of Israel, all of a sudden fear that Jewish doctors were plotting to poison him, and a few days later his body was discovered in his villa displaying symptoms of poisoning?

    http://www.pravdareport.com/history/29-12-2005/9457-stalin-0/

    Stalin was not an anti-Semite so this is not some 'anti-semetic' conspiracy to implicate Jews but to rather understand the death of one of the most powerful men of the last century and the circumstances surrounding his death.

    @Nilgiri @Psychic @The Sandman
     
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    I do not think about it. There is no reliable information.
    Beria and Molotov were loyal Stalinists, Beria was considered the successor of Stalin. At the same time Khrushchev had no authority in the Politburo and Stalin considered him a clown. Khrushchev hated Stalin. Khrushchev destroyed many of Stalin's achievements - he devalued citizens' incomes by 2.5 times, disbanded the most powerful economic department Gosplan, quarreled with the most powerful ally of the USSR-China, and so on.
    If we could suspect someone in Stalin's death - then it is Khrushchev.
     
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    What do you believe to be the cause of Stalin's death?
    Interesting. Do you know of any biography about Stalin that you could recommend?