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Irfan Baloch

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Blackwater, for non cooperation. These commanders will be replaced by more cooperating ones. I think Black water is really trying to align things for bigger operations. Pakistans deep state must come in close connection with Mr Prince.
But its just a hypothesis.
Are you sure you posted in the correct thread? I mean look at the quality and seriousness of all one liner posts with pictures in this thread by our respected members of this forum.

you and I must take our posts out of this thread.
from the word go. looking at the quality of the posts I asked myself why did I even bother.,
 

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Are you sure you posted in the correct thread? I mean look at the quality and seriousness of all one liner posts with pictures in this thread by our respected members of this forum.

you and I must take our posts out of this thread.
from the word go. looking at the quality of the posts I asked myself why did I even bother.,
I don't think raw or isi is killing these guys.
ISIS guys are also being imported here, and on the top, American troops will stay longer now.
The business that Bush left unfinished, I think Biden will complete. TTP commanders will be replaced by ISIS commanders, and Shia Militia might get replaced by Blackwater (hence more killing of high value targets in Pakistan). Drone attacks might soon be starting again. This might be pre-ambled by a regime change in Pakistan. The first target here will be to get Kashmir free from India and Pakistan(hence the sikh uprising) , and break Pakistans nuclear teeth.
But these are just my thoughts and I may be 100% wrong.

Edit: if most of the things that I am assuming are correct, then Pakistan will see again a surge in terror attacks within Pakistan eg blasts killings etc.
 
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Haqqani network is the unlikeliest of the options, although they do not engage directly with Pakistan forces and do not allow TTP to operate from areas under their control, they do not take on TTP and in certain cases allow them to reside in HG controlled areas. Taking TTP would not be feasible for HG as it would at the minimum create another nuisance for them to handle so.

It is not necessary for ISI to send their own operatives for these ops, there are enough rouge elements in Afg which they can use. However the fact that none of these "unknown gunmen" have ever reportedly failed in carrying out the attack and none of them have ever been caught, it tell us that they are no ordinary "guns for hire".
On the contrary, haqqani network is the likeliest option. Haqqani network is the most well trained and well connected faction of afghan taliban. They are controlling the negotiations with US as well as ground forces. They have also been the main opponents to daesh and TTP joining daesh might have given the reason enough to eliminate them. They also have the strongest intelligence network in Afghanistan and specialise in high profile assassinations.
 

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Sheikh Khalid Haqqani
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31 Jan 20- 2 Feb 20

Sheikh Khalid Haqqani, the former deputy chief of TTP and member of the group's central committee, along with another commander Qari Saif Peshawari were killed during a fight with forces in Afghanistan on Jan. 31, Mohammad Khurasani, the outlawed militant group spokesman said in a statement.

Qari Saif Peshawari
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31 Jan 20- 2 Feb 20

A key commander of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), the mother organization of the Pakistani Taliban, was killed in Afghanistan, the group confirmed on Sunday.

Qari Saifullah Mehsud, spokesman for the Hakimullah Mehsud group, was shot dead by gunmen outside the Guloon camp in Khost province, eastern Afghanistan, the group spokesman said in an audio message.

The spokesman didn't disclose his name in the message and claimed the attack was carried out by the Haqqani network [offshoot of the Afghan Taliban] as they, day earlier, had also killed three militants of Hakimullah Mehsud group in the area.


Shehryar Mehsud
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13 Feb 20

The Pakistani Taliban on Thursday confirmed the killing of one of their top leaders in a remote-controlled blast in northeast Afghanistan. Shehryar Mehsud, leader of the Hakimullah Mehsud group of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), a consortium of various militant outfits in Pakistan, was killed by a roadside improvised explosive device (IED) in Kunar province on February 12.


Mangal Bagh
29 Jan 21

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A key commander of Pakistani militants was killed in eastern Afghanistan, a local official said on Thursday.

"Chief of a terrorist group Mangal Bagh has been killed along with two other militants in a roadside bomb attack in Bandar Dara area of Achin district.
He has led Lashkar-e-Islam since 2006 and was blamed for dozens of terrorist attacks in northwestern Pakistan.

Bagh, a notorious leader, was among the terrorists most wanted by Pakistani authorities for his involvement in several terror attacks in the country. The Pakistan government had also placed a bounty of Rs20 million ($124,544) on his head.


Ehsanullah Ehsan Connection
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following killed after his mysterious escape
Shehryar Mehsud,
leader Qari Saif.
Sheikh Khalid Haqqani

key terrorists Pakistan had been hunting for years were assassinated in Afghanistan.
The developments came days after Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP)’s former spokesperson Ehsanullah Ehsan mysteriously escaped from the custody of Pakistan Army.
If there is a connection to his "escape" and the following assassinations of the TTP leaders who he may have met then its an interesting development but it cant continue if he is acting as a willing or unintentional rat and he will be discarded or eliminated to avenge the deaths of the leaders lost by TTP.

Possible / Probable Assassins and Motive

ISI/ Pakistani Black Ops teams

If true, then its a drastic change from passively requesting to Afghanistan (to take action) to aggressive strategy. Throughout the conflict with TTP over a decade, Pakistan has relied either on Americans to eliminate TTP leaders like Hakimullah Mehsood or demanded/ requested Kabul Government to stop anti Pakistan elements using Afghanistan soil against Pakistan.

the Motive is pretty obvious. TTP is biggest Anti Pakistan specific terror group that is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Pakistanis. Reaching out in Afghanistan and targeting it and making it insecure was needed to be done long ago.
Now these mysterious hits are taking place frequently clearing anti Pakistan elements actively involved in the terror activities against Pakistan.
The Hits, timing and placement is also interesting. they are done in a manner to make it obvious to remaining TTP operatives and their handlers that they are no longer safe in Afghanistan and also an indirect massage to Indians that their connection with TTP leaders is blown up and easy to present as a proof that Indians are involved in terror activities against Pakistan.

RAW/ Indian Handlers
RAW cleaners are the least probable suspects in the killing of these TTP terrorists because its been the best investment for the Indians and despite major setbacks over the years against Pak Military and ISI, it has managed to survive after escaping to Afghanistan. In recent times the Indian intelligence has successfully combined all its splinter groups and established channels with other terror groups that are hostile towards Pakistan including Baloch militant groups and Daesh so killing of TTP by RAW will be contrary to all efforts by subversive RAW.

the only probability and reasoning in support of this suspicion is that RAW maybe clearing the loose ends. Like it assassinated a known Anti Pakistan Baloch activist in Canada,. Probably to prevent the cover from blowing up or as a signal to all other anti Pakistan terror groups to stay in line (with their Indian handlers) and continue their anti Pakistan activities as desired by Indian agency.

Haqqani Network/ Afghan Taliban

Afghan Taliban specially the Haqqani chapter of the Afghan Taliban organisation has not involved itself in any direct confrontation with Pakistani state and has been in contact with Pakistan and Americans in the negotiations for American withdrawal and peace in Afghanistan.

Afghan Taliban have been accused by some elements of TTP in targeting them. which can be a misdirection to divert attention from Indian TTP partnership. But if true, then it may have been in support of Pakistan.The elimination of TTP doesn't need love for Pakistan or support of Pakistan, this can be a turf war and eliminating any potential rivalry. Afghans have never shied away from infighting within groups to establish authority and eliminate challenges to the leadership.
if Afghan Taliban or Haqqanis are indeed involved then their actions will be more crude and direct. they wont plan and wait for the TTP leaders to travel all the way and meet up Indians in Kabul.


ANA- Afghan National Army
the possibility of Afghan national army shouldn't be completely ruled out. Pakistani military and civilian leadership has made many visits to Afghanistan and invited them to Pakistan demanding actions against TTP to ensure peace in the Pak Afghan region. Although Kabul Government and specially its security agencies and forces have never kept their hostilities towards Pakistan any secret. but again they would target TTP for same reasons RAW might target TTP. which is to clear and eliminate the loose ends. any TTP leaders that are deemed a liability and to prevent blowing up of cover. Finally ANA is included as possible killer because TTP has accused them as killers of their leaders from time to time but again TTP claim is just a claim and cant be trusted.

Video commentary on recent assassinations of TTP leadership
following is a video which pretty much covers few of the points and possibilities raised by me.



Conclusion

time for requests and demands is long gone. TTP and BLA has joined hands with Daesh under the leadership of Indian intelligence and Pakistani state must use all its overt and covert assets to disrupt , degrade and destroy the TTP / BLA and their affiliates across the borders with Afghanistan , Iran and UAE. Although the operations inside the Arab Brotherly country should be more discrete. But I would support the use of Drones along Pak Afghan and Pak Iran border areas if the opportunity presents itself. Otherwise ISI/ SSG covert operations are always available which have been successful executed. before

following is a Pakistani Drone strike footage just to recall the minds of all who saw it long time ago.
for reasons known or unknown no similar footage have been shared by Pakistani forces but it goes to show that Drones as a viable weapon against BLA and TTP are always available.
Sir I see a very complex environment in Afghanistan. There are multiple actors in place. It is impossible to say anything since I don`t have any access to the ground realities. But generally speaking, if we look at the assassinations in Afghanistan, security forces, civil society members, journalists and judges were the targets in recent months.

Lets accept the narrative that Taliban attacked security officials. But who killed the rest?

I think the journalists and civil society members got killed by Afghan govt.
because there was news that the Afghan govt is trying to keep things under covers and there is a war of information and disinformation, govt is pushing for secrecy in botched operations and all. So media is clearly not in favour of the representatives of the people.

The treatment by the president and the Presidential Palace towards media and journalists give a feeling to all journalists that the Afghan government does not give any importance to freedom of the press,” said Farhad Joya, a journalist in Herat.

We planned to meet the president, but some women tried to prevent us. They told us that if we raised any demand or criticism, we will be handled by the presidential guards,” said Soraya Karimi, a civil society activist in Herat.

Now who could target judges in Afghanistan?
According to Human Rights Watch:

On April 15, the government requested a deferral of the ICC prosecutor’s investigation and submitted information on 151 cases it claimed it was investigating or had prosecuted.

But this number is deeply misleading. Of these, only 28 made it to court. For the remaining 123 cases, the government claims that “official letters have been issued to Afghan National Police (ANP), National Directorate of Security (NDS), and other involved bodies, and arrest warrants have been issued in some cases. None of the 26 cases involving government security forces include those most responsible among senior police, intelligence or military personnel in ordering or condoning alleged crimes. For example, senior officials of the Afghan National Police in Kandahar have been accused of systematic torture and enforced disappearances. None have been prosecuted for these crimes.


Above are some quick highlights of who is responsible for the ongoing assassinations in Afghanistan. And I am sorry I can`t say anything about who could be responsible for the killings of TTP commanders. It could be RAW, ISI, NDS, CIA, ISIS or even other states that might have interests in the mineral resources and trying to neutralize potential competitors or threats.
 

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When's the drone video from ? Seems like very early days 🤦‍♂️ I mean communication and stuff they were doing was not professional enough 🙄
Or maybe you've been watching too many Hollywood movies and playing too many COD games.
Its probably RAW tying up loose ends cuz they have the biggest clandestine clout in Afghanistan.
 

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Sheikh Khalid Haqqani
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31 Jan 20- 2 Feb 20

Sheikh Khalid Haqqani, the former deputy chief of TTP and member of the group's central committee, along with another commander Qari Saif Peshawari were killed during a fight with forces in Afghanistan on Jan. 31, Mohammad Khurasani, the outlawed militant group spokesman said in a statement.

Qari Saif Peshawari
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31 Jan 20- 2 Feb 20

A key commander of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), the mother organization of the Pakistani Taliban, was killed in Afghanistan, the group confirmed on Sunday.

Qari Saifullah Mehsud, spokesman for the Hakimullah Mehsud group, was shot dead by gunmen outside the Guloon camp in Khost province, eastern Afghanistan, the group spokesman said in an audio message.

The spokesman didn't disclose his name in the message and claimed the attack was carried out by the Haqqani network [offshoot of the Afghan Taliban] as they, day earlier, had also killed three militants of Hakimullah Mehsud group in the area.


Shehryar Mehsud
View attachment 714743
13 Feb 20

The Pakistani Taliban on Thursday confirmed the killing of one of their top leaders in a remote-controlled blast in northeast Afghanistan. Shehryar Mehsud, leader of the Hakimullah Mehsud group of Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), a consortium of various militant outfits in Pakistan, was killed by a roadside improvised explosive device (IED) in Kunar province on February 12.


Mangal Bagh
29 Jan 21

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A key commander of Pakistani militants was killed in eastern Afghanistan, a local official said on Thursday.

"Chief of a terrorist group Mangal Bagh has been killed along with two other militants in a roadside bomb attack in Bandar Dara area of Achin district.
He has led Lashkar-e-Islam since 2006 and was blamed for dozens of terrorist attacks in northwestern Pakistan.

Bagh, a notorious leader, was among the terrorists most wanted by Pakistani authorities for his involvement in several terror attacks in the country. The Pakistan government had also placed a bounty of Rs20 million ($124,544) on his head.


Ehsanullah Ehsan Connection
View attachment 714740

following killed after his mysterious escape
Shehryar Mehsud,
leader Qari Saif.
Sheikh Khalid Haqqani

key terrorists Pakistan had been hunting for years were assassinated in Afghanistan.
The developments came days after Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP)’s former spokesperson Ehsanullah Ehsan mysteriously escaped from the custody of Pakistan Army.
If there is a connection to his "escape" and the following assassinations of the TTP leaders who he may have met then its an interesting development but it cant continue if he is acting as a willing or unintentional rat and he will be discarded or eliminated to avenge the deaths of the leaders lost by TTP.

Possible / Probable Assassins and Motive

ISI/ Pakistani Black Ops teams

If true, then its a drastic change from passively requesting to Afghanistan (to take action) to aggressive strategy. Throughout the conflict with TTP over a decade, Pakistan has relied either on Americans to eliminate TTP leaders like Hakimullah Mehsood or demanded/ requested Kabul Government to stop anti Pakistan elements using Afghanistan soil against Pakistan.

the Motive is pretty obvious. TTP is biggest Anti Pakistan specific terror group that is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Pakistanis. Reaching out in Afghanistan and targeting it and making it insecure was needed to be done long ago.
Now these mysterious hits are taking place frequently clearing anti Pakistan elements actively involved in the terror activities against Pakistan.
The Hits, timing and placement is also interesting. they are done in a manner to make it obvious to remaining TTP operatives and their handlers that they are no longer safe in Afghanistan and also an indirect massage to Indians that their connection with TTP leaders is blown up and easy to present as a proof that Indians are involved in terror activities against Pakistan.

RAW/ Indian Handlers
RAW cleaners are the least probable suspects in the killing of these TTP terrorists because its been the best investment for the Indians and despite major setbacks over the years against Pak Military and ISI, it has managed to survive after escaping to Afghanistan. In recent times the Indian intelligence has successfully combined all its splinter groups and established channels with other terror groups that are hostile towards Pakistan including Baloch militant groups and Daesh so killing of TTP by RAW will be contrary to all efforts by subversive RAW.

the only probability and reasoning in support of this suspicion is that RAW maybe clearing the loose ends. Like it assassinated a known Anti Pakistan Baloch activist in Canada,. Probably to prevent the cover from blowing up or as a signal to all other anti Pakistan terror groups to stay in line (with their Indian handlers) and continue their anti Pakistan activities as desired by Indian agency.

Haqqani Network/ Afghan Taliban

Afghan Taliban specially the Haqqani chapter of the Afghan Taliban organisation has not involved itself in any direct confrontation with Pakistani state and has been in contact with Pakistan and Americans in the negotiations for American withdrawal and peace in Afghanistan.

Afghan Taliban have been accused by some elements of TTP in targeting them. which can be a misdirection to divert attention from Indian TTP partnership. But if true, then it may have been in support of Pakistan.The elimination of TTP doesn't need love for Pakistan or support of Pakistan, this can be a turf war and eliminating any potential rivalry. Afghans have never shied away from infighting within groups to establish authority and eliminate challenges to the leadership.
if Afghan Taliban or Haqqanis are indeed involved then their actions will be more crude and direct. they wont plan and wait for the TTP leaders to travel all the way and meet up Indians in Kabul.


ANA- Afghan National Army
the possibility of Afghan national army shouldn't be completely ruled out. Pakistani military and civilian leadership has made many visits to Afghanistan and invited them to Pakistan demanding actions against TTP to ensure peace in the Pak Afghan region. Although Kabul Government and specially its security agencies and forces have never kept their hostilities towards Pakistan any secret. but again they would target TTP for same reasons RAW might target TTP. which is to clear and eliminate the loose ends. any TTP leaders that are deemed a liability and to prevent blowing up of cover. Finally ANA is included as possible killer because TTP has accused them as killers of their leaders from time to time but again TTP claim is just a claim and cant be trusted.

Video commentary on recent assassinations of TTP leadership
following is a video which pretty much covers few of the points and possibilities raised by me.



Conclusion

time for requests and demands is long gone. TTP and BLA has joined hands with Daesh under the leadership of Indian intelligence and Pakistani state must use all its overt and covert assets to disrupt , degrade and destroy the TTP / BLA and their affiliates across the borders with Afghanistan , Iran and UAE. Although the operations inside the Arab Brotherly country should be more discrete. But I would support the use of Drones along Pak Afghan and Pak Iran border areas if the opportunity presents itself. Otherwise ISI/ SSG covert operations are always available which have been successful executed. before

following is a Pakistani Drone strike footage just to recall the minds of all who saw it long time ago.
for reasons known or unknown no similar footage have been shared by Pakistani forces but it goes to show that Drones as a viable weapon against BLA and TTP are always available.

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Or maybe you've been watching too many Hollywood movies and playing too many COD games.
Its probably RAW tying up loose ends cuz they have the biggest clandestine clout in Afghanistan.
Nah bro not watching too much Hollywood or Playing COD... 😂 only said what I felt..

And raw has no loose ends in Afghanistan as of now..
 

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I think who may not be the right place to start for most replies - it would be why - to whose benefit (the obvious suspect may not be the real one eh @Irfan Baloch )

Who are the beneficiaries of peace in Afghanistan if X party comes into power besides Pakistan?

1 year from now - 5 years from now
 

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I think who may not be the right place to start for most replies - it would be why - to whose benefit (the obvious suspect may not be the real one eh @Irfan Baloch )

Who are the beneficiaries of peace in Afghanistan if X party comes into power besides Pakistan?

1 year from now - 5 years from now
China, Iran, Pakistan and Central Asia to some extent.
 

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